'17 TN OT Trey Smith (Tennessee Verbal)

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Ugh. If this kid is as focused on football (to the exclusion of everything else) as you suggest and fails to see the bigger picture, then he should go somewhere else.

I think every kid that Notre Dame signs has goals to reach the NFL. Notre Dame might be considered an elite powerhouse in college football right now, but they are a program kids see as a place where they get exposure to the NFL.

You think Quenton Nelson came to Notre Dame because his first goal was to get a business degree? I don't see anyone ripping the kid for that.
 

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Let's face it. Notre Dame has one of the elite offensive line coaches in college football. He recruits very well, has great rapport with the offensive linemen, and prepares them to play in the NFL. If a sought-after recruit chooses somewhere else, it isn't because Notre Dame hasn't made that recruit a priority. Notre Dame isn't for everybody. For some, the academic demands are too great. For others, the competition level is too threatening. Time will tell if Trey Smith wants to accept the opportunity and the challenge to be great on and off the field.
 

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I'm just going to come out and say it: If Harry Hiestand wants you on his line, and you say no, you're making a huge mistake.

Zack Martin went All-Pro his first year in the league. Ronnie Stanley just went 6th overall despite being limited in the run game. Nick Martin went in the 2nd round despite being limited athletically. Mike McGlinchey was a basketball player when he came in, and three years later he could be an All American. Quenton Nelson was going to be awesome no matter where he played, but at the very least HH had him so prepared that people forget he was a RS Freshman last year. NFL Scouts call HH the best OL coach in college football, and when he vouches for players teams listen.

If you want make the big money not just in the NFL but for the rest of your life, resist the urge to take the $100 handshakes at Ole Miss, and pick the HH/ND education combo. Unless it's Stanford, any other choice is just dumb.
 

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Lol. This is comical. Some of you need to take your ND blinders off.

My stance has nothing to do with my "Nd blinders". There are plenty of schools that don't meet ND's standards but do a pretty good job, no issue with those at all. My issue is with the programs that are consciously making very poor decisions and obviously Ole Miss is in that category. Just like with my career, I would never work for or hire someone that I knew was running their business the same way as Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze are running their program. You can be extremely successful doing it the right way. Sometimes the other way is easier, I get that, I'm just not going to appreciate that.
 

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Also, fun fact. Both Tunsil and Robert N should've been drafted higher than they were based on talent alone. From just a purely NFL future standpoint, I'd rather be in an environment where less of that is going on.
 

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Why would you take a risk at a school that could very well be facing sanctions? You have pretty damning evidence that a coach was paying players.
 

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My stance has nothing to do with my "Nd blinders". There are plenty of schools that don't meet ND's standards but do a pretty good job, no issue with those at all. My issue is with the programs that are consciously making very poor decisions and obviously Ole Miss is in that category. Just like with my career, I would never work for or hire someone that I knew was running their business the same way as Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze are running their program. You can be extremely successful doing it the right way. Sometimes the other way is easier, I get that, I'm just not going to appreciate that.

Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze are running their program just like every other top program in the country outside of probably five schools if that, but those few schools that play within the rules bend the rules every chance they get.

The difference is that Ole Miss got caught. That's the reason I like Notre Dame and respect Stanford, is that they do have morals and values. Don't get me wrong here, Notre Dame does things right way for the most part and it costs them.

However, to think that Ole Miss is doing something worse than other schools just isnt accurate. They are competing with their competition and schools across the country to get the top talent in the country in Oxford. Why doesn't Ole Miss land big-time classes on the regular if they worse than other programs? The other programs are topping Ole Miss.

For the record, it was more than likely posted in this thread, but probably the main reason Trey likes Ole Miss is the connection to the program with his late mother. Long story short, Trey's mother was with him at Ole Miss when he got his first offer. Since then she has passed away and Ole Miss and Clemson were two of the few schools she saw with him.

If you haven't lost a parent, then you probably wouldn't understand that connection to past memories. You can say that Notre Dame is a better choice and he needs to see past that, but he is a 17 year old kid that those schools are one of the few connections and good memories he has with his mother.

It goes deeper than football and money for Smith, but Ole Miss also benefits his future. Playing the top defenses in the country showcases his skills. Notre Dame plays a good schedule and he will get that exposure, but Notre Dame isn't playing the schedule Ole Miss plays for 10 weeks. That's huge, esp for an offensive lineman. If he can hold his own against the best defensive lines in the SEC..thats great.

Tunsil benefitted from that, as well as Ryan Kelley.
 

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Also, fun fact. Both Tunsil and Robert N should've been drafted higher than they were based on talent alone. From just a purely NFL future standpoint, I'd rather be in an environment where less of that is going on.

Tunsil and Nkemdiche fell in the draft because of things outside of the control of Ole Miss.

Coaches can drug test their players, suspend their players, etc, but the coaches aren't there 24-7 to tell the, "Don't smoke weed. Don't jump out of hotel windows." That happens at every program.

Tunsil's situation had to deal with someone not associated with the coaching staff at Ole Miss.

Good luck finding a program at any level where weed and drugs aren't around players on a consistent basis. That's the world we live in, not a school. We live in a world that hypes up successful people and the law lets successful people get around it, so kids think they are untouchable.
 

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Why would you take a risk at a school that could very well be facing sanctions? You have pretty damning evidence that a coach was paying players.

You really think the NCAA is going to punish Ole Miss? Johnny Manziel, Todd Gurley and Jameis Winston had evidence against them and there were no sanctions.

Ole Miss can deny it and as long as Tunsil doesn't talk, nothing will happen. I would bet that Tunsil doesn't talk, because he can't be forced to talk. He isn't governed by the NCAA at this stage, so he has no reason to talk.

Hell, UNC had one of the biggest academic scandals ever uncovered and nothing is happening.

Ole Miss and SEC make the NCAA money. They make ESPN money. The NCAA isn't stupid. They aren't going to give Ole Miss program killing sanctions and lose money.
 

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You think Quenton Nelson came to Notre Dame because his first goal was to get a business degree? I don't see anyone ripping the kid for that.

I think you need to go back and reread what I wrote. I recognize the importance of an NFL career for these kids. I said that if that's the sole focus for these players to the exclusion of everything else, then ND likely isn't a good fit. If they are unable to see the bigger picture (i.e. the importance of getting a meaningful degree, the inherent foolishness of wanting to play for a team that's under serious investigation by the NCAA, etc), then perhaps ND isn't for them.
 

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Ole Miss and Hugh Freeze are running their program just like every other top program in the country outside of probably five schools if that, but those few schools that play within the rules bend the rules every chance they get.

I just want to say, if this was the case wouldn't other schools sign top 5 classes like Ole Miss managed to do in its first year with Hugh Freeze?
 

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It would be extremely disappointing for this kid to end up anywhere other than ND. He really understands what ND can offer him so the only thing really standing in the way is distance. Hopefully that's something the staff can obercome.
 

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I just want to say, if this was the case wouldn't other schools sign top 5 classes like Ole Miss managed to do in its first year with Hugh Freeze?

Exactly. Ole Miss really stepped up their game to get all of those 5 stars that they signed. To say that every team but 5 is doing it to that level is ridiculous.
 

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Any kid with a good head on his shoulders isn't going to ole miss to play football and any good parents wouldn't allow it. School is a joke
 

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It would be extremely disappointing for this kid to end up anywhere other than ND. He really understands what ND can offer him so the only thing really standing in the way is distance. Hopefully that's something the staff can obercome.

Distance is not the only possible thing. Other factors could be:

Unwillingness to wait his turn / expectation to play immediately.

Fear of being moved inside.

Fear of another Top 5 OT in this class joining him.

Unwillingness to add ND's academic rigor to his 3 year NFL training schedule

School demographics

Even weather unfortunately.

There are many things in various combinations that could be going on in his mind.

At Ole Miss he's playing early and often as long as he can beat out borderline 4 star Bryce Matthews who was in the class of '16 with 5 star Willie Little. Ole Miss' OT recruiting from Tunsil up until Little were a bunch of Ole Misses.
 

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Exactly. Ole Miss really stepped up their game to get all of those 5 stars that they signed. To say that every team but 5 is doing it to that level is ridiculous.

You truly have no idea what college football has become then. Heard of Deontay Greenberry? That was Houston when they weren't winning games.

You think Tom Herman is magically getting a five-star and 2 four-stars to commit to them isn't out of the ordinary? You can say he convinced those kids to stay home and that was it? Why didnt Ed Oliver's teammates stay home too? That's an example of it at a lower level of football.

I know of one kid that Notre Dame recruited last year was offered over $300,000 to go to a school. How do I know that? A recruit I know was complaining about it. It's just the nature of college football.
 

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You truly have no idea what college football has become then. Heard of Deontay Greenberry? That was Houston when they weren't winning games.

You think Tom Herman is magically getting a five-star and 2 four-stars to commit to them isn't out of the ordinary? You can say he convinced those kids to stay home and that was it? Why didnt Ed Oliver's teammates stay home too? That's an example of it at a lower level of football.

I know of one kid that Notre Dame recruited last year was offered over $300,000 to go to a school. How do I know that? A recruit I know was complaining about it. It's just the nature of college football.

Just curious: do you work for NCSA?
 

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Scout also loved him at the camp. Smith is well aware of NDs line success in the NFL (Stanley, Martins and more) and loves HH
 

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From the video of the opening here in Chicago that was posted in another recruits thread, this kid looks like he plays nasty.. I like that, get him on board HH.
 

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Tunsil and Nkemdiche fell in the draft because of things outside of the control of Ole Miss.

Coaches can drug test their players, suspend their players, etc, but the coaches aren't there 24-7 to tell the, "Don't smoke weed. Don't jump out of hotel windows." That happens at every program.

Tunsil's situation had to deal with someone not associated with the coaching staff at Ole Miss.

Good luck finding a program at any level where weed and drugs aren't around players on a consistent basis. That's the world we live in, not a school. We live in a world that hypes up successful people and the law lets successful people get around it, so kids think they are untouchable.

Haha, if you really think that they have nothing to do with the environment that they are a part of or help create, I'm not sure what to say, other than I find it fairly funny. At this point, you've spent a lot of time trying to convince me that coaches have zero influence over there program, and I couldn't disagree more. Do they have 100% control, no they don't. But they sure can influence it a great deal by their actions.
 

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You truly have no idea what college football has become then. Heard of Deontay Greenberry? That was Houston when they weren't winning games.

You think Tom Herman is magically getting a five-star and 2 four-stars to commit to them isn't out of the ordinary? You can say he convinced those kids to stay home and that was it? Why didnt Ed Oliver's teammates stay home too? That's an example of it at a lower level of football.

I know of one kid that Notre Dame recruited last year was offered over $300,000 to go to a school. How do I know that? A recruit I know was complaining about it. It's just the nature of college football.

I have no doubt that recruiting is a shady business at almost every school. I just believe that there is a reason that Ole Miss can suddenly recruit 5 star guys and it's because they upped their game of cheating to the highest level. I doubt very much that these players would be choosing to go to that school if the deal was the same as everywhere else.
 

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I just want to say, if this was the case wouldn't other schools sign top 5 classes like Ole Miss managed to do in its first year with Hugh Freeze?

I have no doubt that recruiting is a shady business at almost every school. I just believe that there is a reason that Ole Miss can suddenly recruit 5 star guys and it's because they upped their game of cheating to the highest level. I doubt very much that these players would be choosing to go to that school if the deal was the same as everywhere else.

You mean Freeze isn't just a great salesman?
 

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Time to get your seat on the train, Trey. Don't you want to be part of the offensive line that protects Jurkevic when he gets here in 2018?
 
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