'13 PA WR Will Fuller (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[Irish Insanity]

So, was he ever a legit #1?

 

[koonja]

So, was he ever a legit #1?

Biting my tongue on this one.

 

[irishfan]

Why? Two different classes. Apples to oranges. Shouldn't be surprising at all if it happens.

It's not like Tate had to deal with a monster WR class his year. I get what you're saying since they're a few years apart and football is more of a passing game now than ever, but Tate going 60th and Fuller going 20-25th just won't make any sense to me. Fuller is a stud, but I'd take Tate over him every single day.

 

[woolybug25]

It's not like Tate had to deal with a monster WR class his year. I get what you're saying since they're a few years apart and football is more of a passing game now than ever, but Tate going 60th and Fuller going 20-25th just won't make any sense to me. Fuller is a stud, but I'd take Tate over him every single day.

Wut? He had Demarius Thomas, Dez Bryant, Arrelious Benn, Damian Williams, Emmanual Sanders, Jordan Shipley, Eric Decker and Andre Roberts all in the 2010 class. That WR class was loaded big production dudes.

 

[pkt77242]

Definitely a plant.

I don't think so. I would say that there is 3 WRs competing to be picked first, Treadwell, Doctson and Fuller. Treawell just ran a pretty rough 40 (wasn't it a 4.7 and most people run faster at their campus workout than at the combine), Doctson has some questions (injury and also that he is not a good route runner and doesn't handle being pressed well) and Fuller who has questions about size and hands. None are perfect and the first one off the board will depend on which teams takes the 1st WR IMHO.

 

[ndfi78]

I don't think so. I would say that there is 3 WRs competing to be picked first, Treadwell, Doctson and Fuller. Treawell just ran a pretty rough 40 (wasn't it a 4.7 and most people run faster at their campus workout than at the combine), Doctson has some questions (injury and also that he is not a good route runner and doesn't handle being pressed well) and Fuller who has questions about size and hands. None are perfect and the first one off the board will depend on which teams takes the 1st WR IMHO.

This is the key

 

[irishfan]

Wut? He had Demarius Thomas, Dez Bryant, Arrelious Benn, Damian Williams, Emmanual Sanders, Jordan Shipley, Eric Decker and Andre Roberts all in the 2010 class. That WR class was loaded big production dudes.

Ya, I think the last 3 classes have been better. It was a good WR class, but not great. Half those guys you listed off had knocks on them for a) being white and average athletically or b) being undersized and playing for small schools

 

[woolybug25]

Ya, I think the last 3 classes have been better. It was a good WR class, but not great. Half those guys you listed off had knocks on them for a) being white and average athletically or b) being undersized and playing for small schools

Thomas, Dez, Benn and Sanders were all monsters in college and three of them are now top 10 WR's in the NFL. I doubt this draft has that type of firepower.

That's all before the honkeys like Decker

 

[NewBrunswickIrish]

Wut? He had Demarius Thomas, Dez Bryant, Arrelious Benn, Damian Williams, Emmanual Sanders, Jordan Shipley, Eric Decker and Andre Roberts all in the 2010 class. That WR class was loaded big production dudes.

Antonio Brown was in that draft too and had big production in college

 

[stlnd01]

I dunno. Fuller just doesn't seem like he has the size for an elite NFL WR. Nor the hands. He runs good routes and he's certainly fast, but that's less of an advantage on Sundays than on Saturdays. He seems like the sort of guy who could be a very solid No. 2 receiver on an NFL roster. But I'm not sure how that makes him the top WR in the draft.

 

[IrishLion]

I dunno. Fuller just doesn't seem like he has the size for an elite NFL WR. Nor the hands. He runs good routes and he's certainly fast, but that's less of an advantage on Sundays than on Saturdays. He seems like the sort of guy who could be a very solid No. 2 receiver on an NFL roster. But I'm not sure how that makes him the top WR in the draft.

Even if his ceiling is as a no.2, he's still the top option for some teams out there, which essentially makes him the top WR depending on how the cards fall.

For a team like the Lions, Fuller is a 2nd rounder. For a team like the Bengals, where you're putting him opposite AJ Green, Fuller is the best available for what they want to do, which makes him the top guy.

He's not the best pure WR in the draft, but he could end up being the top WR based on how the front offices move.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Even if his ceiling is as a no.2, he's still the top option for some teams out there, which essentially makes him the top WR depending on how the cards fall.

For a team like the Lions, Fuller is a 2nd rounder. For a team like the Bengals, where you're putting him opposite AJ Green, Fuller is the best available for what they want to do, which makes him the top guy.

He's not the best pure WR in the draft, but he could end up being the top WR based on how the front offices move.

I see what you're saying.

basically boils down to your needs for a true #1, which I honestly don't see him, but doesn't devalue what he could bring to any offense in the league.

 

[Irish#1]

Scouts leak to a media guy they are definitely planning to take Fuller when in fact they plan to take someone else. They hope somebody will reach for Fuller and allow them get the guy they truly covet.

True, but teams rarely "reach" for a player regardless of rumors. They may move up or down a few slots to get a player, but if their data and evaluation has a player slotted in a particular round they rarely will take them 1-3 rounds earlier.

 

[longliveautrydenson]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame speedster Will Fuller will be a visitor at Halas Hall today</p>— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) <a href="https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/722420338634596353">April 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Visiting the Bears today. Maybe they think he'll be there at 41? I've seen quite a few mocks with Houston taking Fuller at 22, but who knows.

 

[rtrn2glory]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Notre Dame speedster Will Fuller will be a visitor at Halas Hall today</p>— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) <a href="https://twitter.com/greggabe/status/722420338634596353">April 19, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Visiting the Bears today. Maybe they think he'll be there at 41? I've seen quite a few mocks with Houston taking Fuller at 22, but who knows.

plus a lot of these workouts are guys doing their HW to see if dudes are worth trading back into the first round to get.

i really don't think he'll fall into Friday, but who knows.

 

[zelezo vlk]

plus a lot of these workouts are guys doing their HW to see if dudes are worth trading back into the first round to get.

i really don't think he'll fall into Friday, but who knows.

For the Bears, I think it's getting a good read on him more than anything because he could be drafted by either of the 3 other NFC North teams.

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[Luckylucci]

For the Bears, I think it's getting a good read on him more than anything because he could be drafted by either of the 3 other NFC North teams.

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Fair point, definitely some WR needs in that division.

 

[tussin]

Will Fuller is fast and ... well, that's it - SBNation.com

#analysis

 

[ACamp1900]

Nothing in there upsets me as unfair

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Will Fuller is fast and ... well, that's it - SBNation.com

#analysis

I really disagree with all that. Once Fuller has the ball in his hands on the second level, he was quite dynamic. Maybe not breaking ankles, but he scored a lot of tds on screen passes in 2014, they just didn't throw many screens to him this year (mostly because of inconsistent hands IMO, but the point still stands). He'll never be a possession receiver and his hands may never improve, which is why he's not a 1st rounder IMO, but he has a coveted NFL trait as a deep threat and had more than ample production at the college level for 2 yeara, I think he's a great value in the 2nd. Not to mention he has no know character issues, which god knows is becoming important in the NFL

 

[Crazy Balki]

Possible the Bears are considering trading down to the late teens, early 20's to nab Fuller, but honestly, Fuller seems a bit redundant if they are bought into Kevin White. Not the same kind of receivers, but they play the same position and both are legitimate deep threats.

If they do this, they may be considering letting Jeffery go after this season.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

That article was a real head scratcher for me. Like others mentioned the writer obviously did not watch enough film. In 2014 it seems like half of Fullers TD's came on tunnel screens. He is not an ankle breaker, but he has proven that he is shifty enough.

Mayock has been quoted saying Fuller is fast and also quick. The quickness is what gets him the yac. I trust Mayock over this guy.

Also in the ISD article today, the writer noted that Fuller has a diverse route tree and not just deep pass routes. Also mentioned he is a better route runner than he gets credit for.


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[House16]

That article seems exceedingly fair to me. I was at the Fenway game and remember Fuller dropping the ball he references in the gif. After that play, I turned to my friend and said "that's the reason he should come back next year." Maybe hands isn't a fixable thing, but I think this guy hit the nail on the head. Fuller will most likely be a very competent number 2 WR in the NFL. A blazer who doesn't do a ton else. Nothing wrong with that, but not worth a first round pick IMO.

 

[Sherm Sticky]

That article seems exceedingly fair to me. I was at the Fenway game and remember Fuller dropping the ball he references in the gif. After that play, I turned to my friend and said "that's the reason he should come back next year." Maybe hands isn't a fixable thing, but I think this guy hit the nail on the head. Fuller will most likely be a very competent number 2 WR in the NFL. A blazer who doesn't do a ton else. Nothing wrong with that, but not worth a first round pick IMO.

:48 second mark...More than just a deep threat.

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:22 second mark and two catches in a row at 1:12 mark

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[pkt77242]

That article seems exceedingly fair to me. I was at the Fenway game and remember Fuller dropping the ball he references in the gif. After that play, I turned to my friend and said "that's the reason he should come back next year." Maybe hands isn't a fixable thing, but I think this guy hit the nail on the head. Fuller will most likely be a very competent number 2 WR in the NFL. A blazer who doesn't do a ton else. Nothing wrong with that, but not worth a first round pick IMO.

The issue that I take with the analysis is that while having the second gear is his main strength, he really is a good route runner as well and the article states that the only above average with him is his speed, and IMHO that is incorrect. There is no doubt that some of the criticism is fair, such as the fact that he drops too many passes and has a slight build. I also dislike judging someone off of 5 games or so. That isn't even half a season.

 

[House16]

The issue that I take with the analysis is that while having the second gear is his main strength, he really is a good route runner as well and the article states that the only above average with him is his speed, and IMHO that is incorrect. There is no doubt that some of the criticism is fair, such as the fact that he drops too many passes and has a slight build. I also dislike judging someone off of 5 games or so. That isn't even half a season.

That's definitely fair. He is a good route runner for sure. And as noted above, he's definitely good in the screen game. But I'd argue that that's more speed than wiggle (faster than quick??) that he's exhibiting. It's not like he's shrugging guys off in those clips, he's running by them untouched.

I guess the main concern is that I feel as if to be effective in the NFL you have to be able to catch the ball when you're closely defended. None of the above clips show that and I'm not sure Will ever showed that. Either he's very open (which happened a lot in college) or he's not making the catch. That's a death sentence in the NFL, in which you're not wide open much at all.

 

[zelezo vlk]

That's definitely fair. He is a good route runner for sure. And as noted above, he's definitely good in the screen game. But I'd argue that that's more speed than wiggle (faster than quick??) that he's exhibiting. It's not like he's shrugging guys off in those clips, he's running by them untouched.

I guess the main concern is that I feel as if to be effective in the NFL you have to be able to catch the ball when you're closely defended. None of the above clips show that and I'm not sure Will ever showed that. Either he's very open (which happened a lot in college) or he's not making the catch. That's a death sentence in the NFL, in which you're not wide open much at all.

The player I think Fuller compares best to in the NFL, TY Hilton, is able to get open with basically the same strengths. They are able to use their speed effectively with the ball in the air.

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[tussin]

I posted it because I thought the entire article is poorly researched and a stretch. You don't judge a player based on 5 games of film.

If BC wasn't one of the games he watched, would the author also be saying that he doesn't get the big fuss about his hands?

 

[GBdomer]

If you guys had to rank the top 5 WR's in this class where would you have Fuller?

GB's list

1. Coleman
2. Treadwell
3. Doctson
4. Sheppard
5. Fuller

 

[Shamrock Theories]

If you guys had to rank the top 5 WR's in this class where would you have Fuller?

GB's list

1. Coleman
2. Treadwell
3. Doctson
4. Sheppard
5. Fuller

1. Coleman
2. Doctson
3. Treadwell
4. Fuller
5. M Thomas