'13 IN ATH Jaylon Smith (Notre Dame Man & Graduate)

[FightingIrishLover7]

Haven't we had plenty of other knee injuries over the years?

Has ND shipped these kids away?

 

[Irish Insanity]

Haven't we had plenty of other knee injuries over the years?

Has ND shipped these kids away?

No, but when you're supposed to be a top 10 pick and know you're desire is to be in the NFL, this year or next, I'd damn sure want to be in charge of my rehab and have it at the best facility possible. You can always go back and get your degree, you can't always go back and reassemble your knee.

 

[FightingIrishLover7]

No, but when you're supposed to be a top 10 pick and know you're desire is to be in the NFL, this year or next, I'd damn sure want to be in charge of my rehab and have it at the best facility possible. You can always go back and get your degree, you can't always go back and reassemble your knee.

For surgeries, yes, you should seek the best medical personnel possible. But for therapy, it just takes time at the end of the day.

You can get work done by the surgeon, and he can provide treatment plans for the therapists. The hospital network in South Bend area is not awful, and Chicago is just a hop skip away.

 

[NDdomer2]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/winners-and-losers-from-the-2016-nfl-scouting-combine-160909533.html

Notre Dame LB Jaylon Smith — It’s hard to imagine Smith going in the first round, which is certainly where he would have been drafted without the disastrous knee injury he suffered in the Fiesta Bowl. In fact, he could be pushed down the way South Carolina running back Marcus Lattimore was in 2013, sliding to the late fourth round. An evaluator in the room watching Smith’s knee be looked at said it was clearly still in bad shape just from the way he winced and struggled to move it easily. The April medical recheck will be huge for Smith, but at this point it’s becoming more likely that the 2016 season will have to be written off.

 

[Irish#1]

As severe as the injury was and the short time since the injury, I don't see how anyone would expect his knee to be painless or close to ready at this point. JMO, but I have a feeling Jaylon was rushing things a little. No matter how good an athlete you are or how good in shape you are, mother nature is not going to move any faster.

 

[GBdomer]

Come to the Chicago in the second round young fella. Regardless I will not pull harder for a kid because he is going to be a very good NFL player and will get everything he deserves. I can't thank him enough for choosing ND and giving everything he had for this University

 

[IrishLion]

MMQB mock draft had him going to the Bengals at pick 24, even with the medical issues. It would make sense, as the Bengals roster is deep enough that even their first round picks aren't necessarily counted on immediately. They usually get a "redshirt" year to heal or play special teams and work into the rotation.

They did it this past season with Cedric Ogbuehi from A&M, who was recovering from an ACL tear that he suffered in their bowl game. They don't mind taking a guy that might not be ready for a year, as long as that guy is still "best available" for their future needs. And they desperately need someone to step into an OLB roll opposite Burfict in the next year or two.

Let's make it happen! #WhoDey

 

[Ignats]

I just don't get how you would let a talent like that slip all the way like that. Perennial losers in the NFL drafting in the top 15 may take a pass but there's no way franchises like Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and New England make that mistake regardless of the injury risk.

 

[Irish#1]

I just don't get how you would let a talent like that slip all the way like that. Perennial losers in the NFL drafting in the top 15 may take a pass but there's no way franchises like Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and New England make that mistake regardless of the injury risk.

Teams covet positions too much because of the size of the roster. Someone will take him, probably in the 2nd-4th round depending on the injury report circulating around. I'm really surprised he let them test him at the combine given how recent the injury is. I would have thought he would wait until shortly before the draft to let teams take a look. Once again, JMO, but I think he's too anxious and needs to let this run it's course.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

I just don't get how you would let a talent like that slip all the way like that. Perennial losers in the NFL drafting in the top 15 may take a pass but there's no way franchises like Pittsburgh, Green Bay, and New England make that mistake regardless of the injury risk.

We will see. I would be stunned if Jaylon plays next year in any capacity.

Then again I remember the Bills drafting Willis McGahee in the late first round and they knew 100% that he would be out his entire rookie season. Worked out reasonably well.

I wonder if the Colts would be interested in the hometown kid at #18. They sure need help on D.

Otherwise I think the Bengals or Cardinals are a good bet, both need OLB help

 

[woolybug25]

Otherwise I think the Bengals or Cardinals are a good bet, both need OLB help

Bears. Round 2.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Bears. Round 2.

As long as he clears medical, I'm so down with this.

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[Irish#1]

I wonder if the Colts would be interested in the hometown kid at #18. They sure need help on D.

I would love for him to play for the ponies, but they won't draft him in the first round. We need serious help on the O-line and at DE. Irsay, Grigson and Pagano would be hung on Monument Circle if the #1 pick was anything but o or d line.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Bears. Round 2.

idk if he'll drop that far in round 2 if he ends up there.

 

[gkIrish]

Jaylon is lucky the Patriots do not have a first round pick because they are exactly the type of team that would draft him late first round.

 

[nsisk157]

We will see. I would be stunned if Jaylon plays next year in any capacity.

Then again I remember the Bills drafting Willis McGahee in the late first round and they knew 100% that he would be out his entire rookie season. Worked out reasonably well.

I wonder if the Colts would be interested in the hometown kid at #18. They sure need help on D.

Otherwise I think the Bengals or Cardinals are a good bet, both need OLB help

Thank God I read up bc was gonna post the same thing.. reps

 

[fitz_bu47]

CHIEFS!!!!!!!! Trade down, get picks, take him. Rehabs for a year, replaces Derrick Johnson when he retires.

 

[irishfan]

Jaylon is lucky the Patriots do not have a first round pick because they are exactly the type of team that would draft him late first round.

Is this just in regards to his insurance policy? There are certainly worse places to go. The Pats can still trade up for pick 29-31 by rule...I'd be ecstatic if they did so. They took Easley from Florida in the 1st round in 2014 and were good about bringing him along slowly after his injury.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

The Seahawks with 9 draft picks can afford to take a rehabbing player who could add a monstrous amount of flexibility with their defensive schemes. I could see Carroll taking that leap. They have 8 other picks if they need contributors in '16

 

[gkIrish]

Is this just in regards to his insurance policy? There are certainly worse places to go. The Pats can still trade up for pick 29-31 by rule...I'd be ecstatic if they did so. They took Easley from Florida in the 1st round in 2014 and were good about bringing him along slowly after his injury.

Yes I am talking about insurance. He would be lucky to be a Patriot from a football perspective.

 

[NCND]

Jaylon is lucky the Patriots do not have a first round pick because they are exactly the type of team that would draft him late first round.

Hhahahha.. That would be a blessing for Jaylon instead of going to some scrub team.

 

[gkIrish]

Hhahahha.. That would be a blessing for Jaylon instead of going to some scrub team.

Being picked in 25-30 range where the Patriots would normally pick would not be a blessing.

 

[koonja]

Being picked in 25-30 range where the Patriots would normally pick would not be a blessing.

Yeah, Jaylon, picked 1st round 32 or sooner, doesn't get a dime. If he goes to 2nd round, he gets $700K tax free, and $100K for each pick after that.

So if he goes 10th pick of the 2nd round, he received $1,700,000 tax free from the policy.

If it were me, I'd be begging to go 32nd in the 2nd round for $3,900,000 tax free before any NFL contract is signed.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

Yeah, Jaylon, picked 1st round 32 or sooner, doesn't get a dime. If he goes to 2nd round, he gets $700K tax free, and $100K for each pick after that.

So if he goes 10th pick of the 2nd round, he received $1,700,000 tax free from the policy.

If it were me, I'd be begging to go 32nd in the 2nd round for $3,900,000 tax free before any NFL contract is signed.

Whaaaat. Ok half-serious but maybe he should tell the teams that his knee is really messed up lol

 

[koonja]

Whaaaat. Ok half-serious but maybe he should tell the teams that his knee is really messed up lol

Lol. Does it extend past spilling into the 2nd round? 7 rounds of NFL draft, right?

So theoretically, he could get 700K from first round, then 3.2 million for each of the following 6 rounds, coming to 20 million total, tax free.

That's a wealthy, wealthy retirement at 21 year old.

 

[woolybug25]

Yeah, Jaylon, picked 1st round 32 or sooner, doesn't get a dime. If he goes to 2nd round, he gets $700K tax free, and $100K for each pick after that.

So if he goes 10th pick of the 2nd round, he received $1,700,000 tax free from the policy.

If it were me, I'd be begging to go 32nd in the 2nd round for $3,900,000 tax free before any NFL contract is signed.

Every player picked in the first round last season got a signing bonus of $3.9M or higher.

2015 NFL Draft first-round signing tracker - NFL.com

He was a potential top 5 pick, which would have meant a $20M+ contract with $10M+ guaranteed.

 

[koonja]

Every player picked in the first round last season got a signing bonus of $3.9M or higher.

2015 NFL Draft first-round signing tracker - NFL.com

He was a potential top 5 pick, which would have meant a $20M+ contract with $10M+ guaranteed.

All taxed at a very high rate. This hypothetical would be 20 million guaranteed, after tax. Or the equivalent of 40 million guaranteed and taxed (assuming 50% tax bracket - which is a totally made up number). Hint, I'm not in that bracket so IDK.

Edit: I didn't read what you quoted. I thought you were quoting my joke about going undrafted and cashing a 100K tax free check as every pick passes.

This is all probably moot, as I'm sure Jaylon wants to go as soon as possible because he's competitive and believes in himself.

 

[dales5050]

Lol. Does it extend past spilling into the 2nd round? 7 rounds of NFL draft, right?

So theoretically, he could get 700K from first round, then 3.2 million for each of the following 6 rounds, coming to 20 million total, tax free.

That's a wealthy, wealthy retirement at 21 year old.

It's a max payout of $5m.

Based on where he was supposed to go...the insurance policy is not really good at all if you think about it.

 

[zelezo vlk]

It's a max payout of $5m.

Based on where he was supposed to go...the insurance policy is not really good at all if you think about it.

This.

For instance, Jaylon was projected as a top 5 pick, and last year's #5 pick, Brandon Scherff, signed a 20 million dollar contract with a 13 million dollar signing bonus.

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[Veritate Duce Progredi]

It's a max payout of $5m.

Based on where he was supposed to go...the insurance policy is not really good at all if you think about it.

Is the policy supposed to cover all possible earned income from the first contract or prevent financial fallout? I'd say $5 million tax free is closer to $9-9.5 million pre-tax. He has two other things in his favor: he's a tireless worker so if it's possible for him to still have a career, he will. He will have an ND degree and can almost assuredly see him coaching one day. He has that type of charisma and if he truly loves the game, I can see him making that transition.