'11 SC QB Everett Golson (FSU transfer)

[Irish Insanity]

So someone who wasn't going to start and wanted a fresh start somewhere new where he could start was quitting on his team?

Him leaving was the right decision for him. Him quiting on the team during the season prior, not a good thing.

 

[NDShark]

Him leaving was the right decision for him. Him quiting on the team during the season prior, not a good thing.

We all wish he would've made that choice prior to stealing Kizer's snaps in spring ball, however. Anyway, I say let me the man throw! It's not like we're re-introducing him to our football team. He is a graduate. He led us to a title game (and played fairly well in it), despite not being the best QB of all time.

 

[Irish Insanity]

We all wish he would've made that choice prior to stealing Kizer's snaps in spring ball, however. Anyway, I say let me the man throw! It's not like we're re-introducing him to our football team. He is a graduate. He led us to a title game (and played fairly well in it), despite not being the best QB of all time.

I agree. I was just clearing up why some of us have the stance Golson quit in the team. It started before that decision. Hell I'd go a bit further and say let the WR decide who throws him the ball. It's part of his job interview for potentially big $.

 

[EddytoNow]

Of course, Golson should be allowed to throw at Notre Dame's Pro Day. He is a Notre Dame graduate who fulfilled his commitment to the university by staying until he graduated. If the university has no obligation to offer a 5th year to a player who has graduated, then 5th year players have no obligation to stay at Notre Dame when they could get more playing time somewhere else.

Both the university and Golson honored their 4-year commitment, and that's what the commitment entailed. A 5th year was always going to be at the option of both parties.

 

[kmoose]

Why isn't he throwing at FSU's Pro Day? I went back and looked, and if anyone mentioned the WHY, then I missed it.

Also, why can't any of ND's QBs throw to him? I tried the Google, but didn't come up with any rule saying that current QBs cannot throw to receivers.

 

[IrishLion]

Perhaps Zaire and Kizer should take turns throwing. Start the competition early.

 

[rtrn2glory]

Perhaps Zaire and Kizer should take turns throwing. Start the competition early.

I don't think that's legal, could be wrong

but would be sweet.

 

[dublinirish]

Perhaps Zaire and Kizer should take turns throwing. Start the competition early.

its definitely illegal.

 

[rtrn2glory]

its definitely illegal.

didn't realize that.

perhaps schools don't do this to avoid interactions with agents?

 

[kmoose]

its definitely illegal.

Can you source this, please? I have looked, and can't find it.

 

[NDohio]

Curious if maybe Fuller, Amir, CJ, etc may have requested EG coming to Pro Day. He would be the perfect guy to throw to them. Knows their tendencies and habits and can really spin it.

 

[PANDFAN]

didn't realize that.

perhaps schools don't do this to avoid interactions with agents?

believe it is done to avoid having the current member of team not being evaluated on campus before their pro day

 

[kmoose]

Curious if maybe Fuller, Amir, CJ, etc may have requested EG coming to Pro Day. He would be the perfect guy to throw to them. Knows their tendencies and habits and can really spin it.

They aren't playing in a game. They will likely be running routes in shorts and tshirts. The frickin ball boy could probably throw to them. Hell, if I was the NFL scouts, I would bring along my own guy to throw to them. Tell him to mix up the velocities/angles, to see how they react.

 

[GBdomer]

Him leaving was the right decision for him. Him quiting on the team during the season prior, not a good thing.

I don't think he quit, I think he battled it out in spring ball but the writing was on the wall that Zaire was gonna be the guy

What if Kelly told Everett we are going with Zaire? Did he quit then? What if he was guaranteed the starting spot and wanted to go somewhere where he was going to be the man? If he stole reps for Kizer sure but Kizer wasn't mentally ready this spring and he was pretty open about it.

 

[irishfan]

They aren't playing in a game. They will likely be running routes in shorts and tshirts. The frickin ball boy could probably throw to them. Hell, if I was the NFL scouts, I would bring along my own guy to throw to them. Tell him to mix up the velocities/angles, to see how they react.

It's a Pro Day with nearly every NFL team sending scouts/reps. It's not an individual workout for one team. Bill Belichick can't send his 3rd string QB to throw to Fuller/Brown with 20 other teams watching.

At the end of the day, we should all want Fuller/Brown looking their best. Fuller has question marks with his hands, and Brown seems like a 5th-7th round guy based on mocks. We should want a QB they're comfortable with throwing to them. Not some ball boy. Hendrix (who transferred for his 5th year ironically) came back last year to throw to guys. Unless Fuller/Brown have been working with a specific QB, I am sure they are excited about the prospect of having EG back to throw.

 

[woolybug25]

They aren't playing in a game. They will likely be running routes in shorts and tshirts. The frickin ball boy could probably throw to them. Hell, if I was the NFL scouts, I would bring along my own guy to throw to them. Tell him to mix up the velocities/angles, to see how they react.

This would never happen. There are multiple teams there and the whole intent is to impress them. Not throw quirks at them. That's why it's managed by the school itself, to put the players in a positive environment.

 

[GBdomer]

Perhaps Zaire and Kizer should take turns throwing. Start the competition early.

They can't do that just like none of our under classmen or anyone who hasn't declared for the draft is allowed to participate. Otherwise everyone would

 

[dublinirish]

They aren't playing in a game. They will likely be running routes in shorts and tshirts. The frickin ball boy could probably throw to them. Hell, if I was the NFL scouts, I would bring along my own guy to throw to them. Tell him to mix up the velocities/angles, to see how they react.

Tommy Rees had a tryout with the Redskins and he was waived after 2 sessions because his performance was so poor the coach's couldn't evaluate the receivers and tight end's they had on that day because Tommy was so inaccurate. Not sure your statement about a ball boy throwing is true

 

[kmoose]

Fine........... then let's just get Brady Quinn or Jimmy Clausen to come in and work the receivers out. At least they didn't quit.

 

[ND NYC]

jimmy did leave with a year of eligibility left...

 

[rtrn2glory]

Is Rees available to push the ball vertical to will???

Edit: Dublin basically beat me to it.

 

[gkIrish]

Fine........... then let's just get Brady Quinn or Jimmy Clausen to come in and work the receivers out. At least they didn't quit.

Steve Elmer quit too, by definition. You not going to let him back on campus anymore?

 

[kmoose]

Steve Elmer quit too, by definition. You not going to let him back on campus anymore?

I'm not going through this again. If you don't want to read what is said, then that's not my problem. But my answer to your question is that you have no idea what you are talking about, even suggesting that I would not want Elmer back on campus anymore.

 

[gkIrish]

I'm not going through this again. If you don't want to read what is said, then that's not my problem. But my answer to your question is that you have no idea what you are talking about, even suggesting that I would not want Elmer back on campus anymore.

I'm just pointing out how ridiculously butt-hurt you are about a QB transferring somewhere else that you don't even want him on campus to give our players the best shot at making a good impression to NFL scouts. Golson is a Notre Dame graduate, by the way, and doesn't deserve all the disrespect he gets around here.

 

[NDohio]

They aren't playing in a game. They will likely be running routes in shorts and tshirts. The frickin ball boy could probably throw to them. Hell, if I was the NFL scouts, I would bring along my own guy to throw to them. Tell him to mix up the velocities/angles, to see how they react.

Imagine that - you disagreeing with someone...

I don't really care if EG comes back for the Pro Day or not, he isn't getting drafted and it won't benefit him. BUT, if it helps our receivers look better in front of the scouts, I am all for it. I completely disagree that anybody can come off the street and throw to these guys and make them look the best they can.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Steve Elmer quit too, by definition. You not going to let him back on campus anymore?

Golson 'quit' on the team before the season ended, while still playing.

 

[Irish#1]

I can't believe we have a debate going on here about who's going to throw at pro day. I'm sure BK has everything worked out to give the prospects their best opportunity to shine. If BK is allowing Golson to be there, why should it give any off you heartburn? Besides, we should all be in the Robertson tread whining.

 

[kmoose]

I'm just pointing out how ridiculously butt-hurt you are about a QB transferring somewhere else that you don't even want him on campus to give our players the best shot at making a good impression to NFL scouts. Golson is a Notre Dame graduate, by the way, and doesn't deserve all the disrespect he gets around here.

So is Rees. And Joe Schmidt will be, too.

I'm not butt-hurt, and I don't care if he does participate. Again, if you don't want to read what is written, then keep your snark to yourself. I never once said that ND should not allow him on campus, so please stop saying that I don't want him on campus. If you think that working out with Everett Golson will impress the NFL scouts more than his body of work for the last two years, then I can't help you with that.

Golson quit.......... not just on ND, but also on Florida State. He's a proven quitter. I didn't even enter this discussion until after people started talking as if Everett Golson was owed anything by ND. He's not. If they allow him to participate; great. If not, then that's fine, too. I seriously doubt that Everett Golson throwing to Fuller and Brown is going to change one single NFL scout's mind about the two of them. And, still, no one has come up with a source for the contention that Kizer is not eligible to throw for them. Also, no one has explained why Golson is choosing not to participate in the Pro Day at FSU?

 

[PANDFAN]

So is Rees. And Joe Schmidt will be, too.

I'm not butt-hurt, and I don't care if he does participate. Again, if you don't want to read what is written, then keep your snark to yourself. I never once said that ND should not allow him on campus, so please stop saying that I don't want him on campus. If you think that working out with Everett Golson will impress the NFL scouts more than his body of work for the last two years, then I can't help you with that.

Golson quit.......... not just on ND, but also on Florida State. He's a proven quitter. I didn't even enter this discussion until after people started talking as if Everett Golson was owed anything by ND. He's not. If they allow him to participate; great. If not, then that's fine, too. I seriously doubt that Everett Golson throwing to Fuller and Brown is going to change one single NFL scout's mind about the two of them. And, still, no one has come up with a source for the contention that Kizer is not eligible to throw for them. Also, no one has explained why Golson is choosing not to participate in the Pro Day at FSU?

educated guess---there will be MORE exposure at ND than fsu this year as we have more highly rated players coming out....but also seeing from a marketing perspective if he goes to ND to have a pro day will that eliminate some of the negative stuff surrounding him in the fact ND let him come back to participate...it will generate more publicity and garner more attention to him from scouts than just being a qb at fsu that was benched now trying for an nfl shot

 

[kmoose]

educated guess---there will be MORE exposure at ND than fsu this year as we have more highly rated players coming out....but also seeing from a marketing perspective if he goes to ND to have a pro day will that eliminate some of the negative stuff surrounding him in the fact ND let him come back to participate...it will generate more publicity and garner more attention to him from scouts than just being a qb at fsu that was benched now trying for an nfl shot

So it is still all about Everett? Gotcha! Sorry, but I just don't think that aligns with the values that the University of Notre Dame espouses. So why should anyone fault the University for not going against their values for a guy who quit?