'17 GA DE/OLB Robert Beal (Georgia Verbal)

[texbender]

I saw this coming a month ago...

Agree, this should not come as a surprise. Thinking the best DE recruit could remain committed to a school 700 miles from the house with sharks from UGA, CU, GT, UA, AU, FSU, UT who are offering a nice path to the NFL is expecting a miracle. Won't happen with these types of players, ND will always be left out.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

The "unlikely to consider ND again" part is the issue I have. Just seems very odd to be committed one day and out of the top five the next. I hope he finds what he's looking for. just doesn't sit well with me and the conspiracy theorist side of me.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I get your rant, because you hurt.

-But-

BK isn't satisfied with what he's done.

He wants to win a whole lot more than you do bud. You're just a fan.

His paycheck gets a whole lot sweeter and his name will forever be etched in ND lore if he wins.

You get a tattoo if ND wins.

Lmfao.

ND lost Beal due to his sister.

Many others due to academics. DRob because, who knows?

The "unlikely to consider ND again" part is the issue I have. Just seems very odd to be committed one day and out of the top five the next. I hope he finds what he's looking for. just doesn't sit well with me and the conspiracy theorist side of me.

I posted an article in the Will Mahone thread that everyone should read except Johnny, ND2, and TP.

Will Mahone finds peace after losing Notre Dame football dream - Notre Dame Insider: Notre Dame Football

This article makes more than a few salient points :

• Culturally, Will Mahone wasn't ready for ND, and it took an emotional toll. This is true of many players whether they have three stars (JWilliams, JFerguson), four stars, (Shaq Evens, Davonte Neil), or five (Aaron Lynch, Robert Beal.)
• Will's mom still has found things for which to blame ND. But, Will doesn't. He has taken responsibility, and leadership, his mom still exhibits the same enabling behaviors as so many other blue chip parents -- particularly the parents of the kids we can't land.
• The problem could have an emotional, intellectual, or character component, (which doesn't make the kid all bad), or it could have its roots in an illness or addiction.
• If this isn't recognized early, trying for the round peg, square hole fit will lead to real collateral damage, not just a unilateral sort of thing.
• The seeds of this whole problem lay in the dysfunction of the family unit as seen in the home environment. This doesn't mean that someone has to have a mother, father, sister and brother. Good grandparents or foster parents would be just fine. As long as they present a healthy model of adult behavior and successful life-living strategies.

Some say that all of us, and our society are crazy. They point to the inconsistent logic of our everyday narrative. Expecting someone who cannot commit to remain committed, and then getting butt hurt when he doesn't would make that list!

It is simple, right in front of our noses. The kind of kid that is able to make a mature decision, a commitment, and then follow through with it, doesn't have the admission of an entirely different person, at a later date, constitute a game changer!

What person have you ever met that wanted to go to ND, I mean really attend, wouldn't walk over broken glass to make it happen? Have you seen the hurdles that some of these kids have to surmount to even get in, kids with real academic prowess?

I will take it further, Manti's surprise commitment, Malik, and DeShone's commitment, Steve Elmer's and Corey Robinson's all smack of the kind of maturity and character the ND requires to succeed. Everyone wants to sell the 40 year program, let's be honest. Nothing is free. The question is whether these kids are willing to pay the price; which is even more expensive when they know that they can pick a school that gets them laid as part of the conditioning program, buys them cars and rings, or gets them a good look by the NFL, (as many don't plan on staying four years anyway.)

So what Kelly and staff did in '16 is weed all those out before 2/3. Not an easy job, but the payoff is immense! Here is a review of the most controversial recruitments that may really have saved ND in the long run :

• Kelly picked his school out of a hat! Can you imagine? What kind of commitment is there?
• DRob, who knows? We still have no idea what he is intending, no matter what we guess?

The only other one is the linebacker from Georgia that committed to Alabama, and the coaches have taken responsibility for not starting earlier with him, as he was really getting ND.

And of course there is the linebacker from Florida and the wide receiver from California that we got and brought home on signing day; two guys that could have gone just about wherever they wanted.

Only one last thing, by cultural differences, and cultural fit, I don't mean one thing, for example, there are components of cultural aspects of California, that make athletes from different parts of this state a poor fit, just by them being from California, neither class, or race have anything to do with it. Many have identified it and spoken of it, not entirely identifying it. There are kids from California that are good fits, Joe Schmidt, the St. Brown brothers, etc. But it is a lot rarer to find what you need to make it at ND from an athlete from Ca.

 

[ThePiombino]

The "unlikely to consider ND again" part is the issue I have. Just seems very odd to be committed one day and out of the top five the next. I hope he finds what he's looking for. just doesn't sit well with me and the conspiracy theorist side of me.

But if his commitment was completely contingent on his sister's admission and she was denied, then wouldn't including us be even more BS than not doing so?

 

[Sherm Sticky]

But if his commitment was completely contingent on his sister's admission and she was denied, then wouldn't including us be even more BS than not doing so?

Yep. Kind of strange that he has to go to the same school as his sister IMO. Since that is the reason he committed it tells you he didn't want to be at ND anyway.


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[GBdomer]

You verbatim said that if "ND wants to play with the big boys." I dont Know but playing Clemson at home to a 2 PT loss and losing to Stanford (a top 5) team on a last second field goal isn't playin with the big boys then I don't know what is. Yea, we didn't win a NCG. That right is reserved for 1 team every year, so the rest are failures, really? So every team that doesn't win it all, should be chastised? It's just tiring to hear the same thing every night when a person logs on.

Alright man sounds like your happy and content with where we are as a program. We aren't going to win it all with the way our recruiting is now. Like the other poster said BK struggles to win the big game and hasn't one it since on the road against OU in 2012. He's had some bad losses and solid wins in between them and things just haven't gone our way but if you are content with top 12-20 classes then that's totally fine I'm not and would like to see recruiting improve. I usually just post recruiting updates because others just say that's what I'm good at it and should stay away from talking about the shape of our program. It's also annoying with the sunshine pumpers and others who are perfectly content with where the program is at. It's year 7 man, I'm not going into this anymore because we won't see eye to eye but if you're happy then that's good.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

Alright man sounds like your happy and content with where we are as a program. We aren't going to win it all with the way our recruiting is now. Like the other poster said BK struggles to win the big game and hasn't one it since on the road against OU in 2012. He's had some bad losses and solid wins in between them and things just haven't gone our way but if you are content with top 12-20 classes then that's totally fine I'm not and would like to see recruiting improve. I usually just post recruiting updates because others just say that's what I'm good at it and should stay away from talking about the shape of our program. It's also annoying with the sunshine pumpers and others who are perfectly content with where the program is at. It's year 7 man, I'm not going into this anymore because we won't see eye to eye but if you're happy then that's good.

Not to start a big thing, but just some perspective:

A team missing its (from preseason) #1 and #3 CB's, #1 and #2 QB's, #1, #2, and #3 RB's, #1 NG, and #1 TE...

Finished the regular season 10-2 with the 2 losses, by a combined 4 points, coming to teams that finished a collective 26-3, and #2 and #3 in the poll.

With a doofus of a DC to boot.

 

[yankeeND]

Alright man sounds like your happy and content with where we are as a program. We aren't going to win it all with the way our recruiting is now. Like the other poster said BK struggles to win the big game and hasn't one it since on the road against OU in 2012. He's had some bad losses and solid wins in between them and things just haven't gone our way but if you are content with top 12-20 classes then that's totally fine I'm not and would like to see recruiting improve. I usually just post recruiting updates because others just say that's what I'm good at it and should stay away from talking about the shape of our program. It's also annoying with the sunshine pumpers and others who are perfectly content with where the program is at. It's year 7 man, I'm not going into this anymore because we won't see eye to eye but if you're happy then that's good.

I am one of the proverbial "sunshine pumpers" of which you speak, but I have to agree with you here. I love the players we are getting, don't get me wrong, but we are missing on some very important positions that are going to continue to hamstring us, to go along with all the hamstring injuries, that are always going to have us playing from behind against the premier programs of the land. Landing a guy like Robertson in March, and guys like Beal are going to help close that gap tremendously. Unfortunately we had and lost one of them, and the other is hardly a lock by any strecth of the imagination. Again, I love the players we get, but we are going to need to sprinkle a few of these guys in there to get us over the hump.

 

[Irish#1]

I find it very strange that Beal himself made the determination that he wanted to go to school with his sister. I wouldn't be surprised if this is more of a mandate from his parent(s).

 

[Booslum31]

I find it very strange that Beal himself made the determination that he wanted to go to school with his sister. I wouldn't be surprised if this is more of a mandate from his parent(s).

This is kind of what i was thinking...not sure to what extent but maybe more than a little.

 

[drake29]

Not to start a big thing, but just some perspective:

A team missing its (from preseason) #1 and #3 CB's, #1 and #2 QB's, #1, #2, and #3 RB's, #1 NG, and #1 TE...

Finished the regular season 10-2 with the 2 losses, by a combined 4 points, coming to teams that finished a collective 26-3, and #2 and #3 in the poll.

With a doofus of a DC to boot.

If they had recruited for better depth maybe they wouldn't have been in that situation. Now granted, some positions were filled properly but ND constantly seems to be thin depth wise at multiple positions each season - if not in numbers, then in quality. It's what has kept them from getting over the hump. In 2012 they weren't hampered by injuries, lack of depth wasn't exposed and that top talent carried the team to the championship game. No team can bank on going unscathed. They also shouldn't be taking guys just to take someone. The staff seems to have a preference of taking higher floor role players as backups. Those kids are exposed once they have to step into the spotlight. I wish they would take more gambles on kids are raw players but elite in terms of size or athletic upside. Development is supposed to be BK'S strong suit - he should be capitalizing on that being at ND. Claypool is one of the first players to come to mind. A couple of the DB's in the '16 class fit that mold as well. I think things are getting better but the way the 2017 class is starting has been a huge letdown in terms of what we all thought it could be.

 

[GBdomer]

Not to start a big thing, but just some perspective:

A team missing its (from preseason) #1 and #3 CB's, #1 and #2 QB's, #1, #2, and #3 RB's, #1 NG, and #1 TE...

Finished the regular season 10-2 with the 2 losses, by a combined 4 points, coming to teams that finished a collective 26-3, and #2 and #3 in the poll.

With a doofus of a DC to boot.

You're right and I'm not taking anything away from BK. He had an extremely solid year of coaching this year and Injuries really hurt how good this team would have been. We have some really solid players on this roster but we also have some huge recruiting losses that have hurt this roster. All I'm saying is I would like to see recruiting improve.

 

[NDgradstudent]

Now granted, some positions were filled properly but ND constantly seems to be thin depth wise at multiple positions each season - if not in numbers, then in quality. It's what has kept them from getting over the hump.

It was pretty hard to watch OSU's 4th string D-line destroy us.

 

[johnnycando]

We have to build it before they will come.

Injuries have kept it from being built.

Anyone who cannot see that, or refuses to doesn't want to see.

Anyone who wants to gripe will find a subject.

Anyone who wants optimism there's plenty of silver linings.

Reality is somewhere between.

Where are you, really?

 

[mtnd15]

What's a joke is NDs admissions office. Why would he have us in his top 5 when he sister can't get into ND? She has a 3.8 so id like to know what exactly why she got denied? They need to lighten up a little bit

You serious? As in have you ever looked at what it takes to get into Notre Dame? GPA is not even that important of a factor because there is so much variability between schools. At my high school a 3.8 meant you basically had a pulse.

You also have to score between 32-34 generally on the ACT AT LEAST, have a solid extracurricular and leadership background and put together solid essays for their application.

You know what a joke admission office is? One that lets in unprepared and unqualified students just to appease sports programs.

This is not to say this student was not qualified or to diminish her apparent 3.8 as at some schools that is an impressive achievement. It's just to say we do not have all of the facts, and that frankly, I trust the office that pores over thousands of applications and has been at this for years over anybody else to decide who is fit for Our Lady's University.

 

[johnnycando]

You serious? As in have you ever looked at what it takes to get into Notre Dame? GPA is not even that important of a factor because there is so much variability between schools. At my high school a 3.8 meant you basically had a pulse.

You also have to score between 32-34 generally on the ACT AT LEAST, have a solid extracurricular and leadership background and put together solid essays for their application.

You know what a joke admission office is? One that lets in unprepared and unqualified students just to appease sports programs.

This is not to say this student was not qualified or to diminish her apparent 3.8 as at some schools that is an impressive achievement. It's just to say we do not have all of the facts, and that frankly, I trust the office that pores over thousands of applications and has been at this for years over anybody else to decide who is fit for Our Lady's University.

Aye.

She should apply for St Mary's.

Much easier route in.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Aye.

She should apply for St Mary's.

Much easier route in.

No one suggested this a week ago!

But an alternative like that, instead of a temper tantrum over not getting what you want, smacks of lack of commitment and lack of desire.

I believe if ND has suffered in the area of recruiting under Kelly, (not including when there were exacting profiled to be met,) it was because ND had too many recruits with not enough commitment to do the things required to excel at ND. The number of doobie bros., alone should be enough to bear this out. Right, Boo Boo?

(Like my archaic cultural references?)

 

[ND NYC]

remain calm!
autry denson is recruiting the sh^t out of the state of florida--and he's just getting started.
Kelly can close with the best of them and guys like Hiestand, Sanford Denbrock and Booker are at or near the top in terms of recruiting IMO.
recruiting gonna be fine boys!
keep in mind our overall pool to go after is significantly diminished due to academics so despite TTT smugly lecturing us that "we should start on the DL" we all know that our guys not only need to be able to read and write, but also EXCEL in and out of the classroom and project to handle the challenges that an ND education offers.






we just need catch a few breaks here and there, and avoid injuries.

 

[woolybug25]

Not to start a big thing, but just some perspective:

A team missing its (from preseason) #1 and #3 CB's, #1 and #2 QB's, #1, #2, and #3 RB's, #1 NG, and #1 TE...

Finished the regular season 10-2 with the 2 losses, by a combined 4 points, coming to teams that finished a collective 26-3, and #2 and #3 in the poll.

With a doofus of a DC to boot.

This is a great breakdown of the season. Well said.

Who are you, btw? You seemingly came out of nowhere, dropping bombs and mesmerizing us with that amazing avatar.

 

[FDNYIrish1]

But if his commitment was completely contingent on his sister's admission and she was denied, then wouldn't including us be even more BS than not doing so?

This is what I have the difficulty understanding. Why would anyone on the staff make such a deal that they can't control? I have a hard time believing any coach would guarantee his sisters admission like that. This whole thing seems like a ploy, especially considering the new top 5. I don't follow recruiting like you guys do so forgive me for my ignorance, but I don't think this kid was ever serious about sticking to this commitment. Of course, I could be wrong. Just a gut feeling that this was a charade from the start.

 

[rocket66]

This is what I have the difficulty understanding. Why would anyone on the staff make such a deal that they can't control? I have a hard time believing any coach would guarantee his sisters admission like that. This whole thing seems like a ploy, especially considering the new top 5. I don't follow recruiting like you guys do so forgive me for my ignorance, but I don't think this kid was ever serious about sticking to this commitment. Of course, I could be wrong. Just a gut feeling that this was a charade from the start.

#blameBVG


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[ThePiombino]

This is what I have the difficulty understanding. Why would anyone on the staff make such a deal that they can't control? I have a hard time believing any coach would guarantee his sisters admission like that. This whole thing seems like a ploy, especially considering the new top 5. I don't follow recruiting like you guys do so forgive me for my ignorance, but I don't think this kid was ever serious about sticking to this commitment. Of course, I could be wrong. Just a gut feeling that this was a charade from the start.

Never said anything about the staff making deals. If anything, the decommitmemt suggests the exact opposite.

 

[beryirish]

If that was the contingency then i'm surprised he didn't wait to commit until he knew for sure his sister was granted admission or not. Just, in some eyes, makes him look silly for committing/decommitting.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

If they had recruited for better depth maybe they wouldn't have been in that situation. Now granted, some positions were filled properly but ND constantly seems to be thin depth wise at multiple positions each season - if not in numbers, then in quality. It's what has kept them from getting over the hump. In 2012 they weren't hampered by injuries, lack of depth wasn't exposed and that top talent carried the team to the championship game. No team can bank on going unscathed. They also shouldn't be taking guys just to take someone. The staff seems to have a preference of taking higher floor role players as backups. Those kids are exposed once they have to step into the spotlight. I wish they would take more gambles on kids are raw players but elite in terms of size or athletic upside. Development is supposed to be BK'S strong suit - he should be capitalizing on that being at ND. Claypool is one of the first players to come to mind. A couple of the DB's in the '16 class fit that mold as well. I think things are getting better but the way the 2017 class is starting has been a huge letdown in terms of what we all thought it could be.

What? I think last season showed just how deep ND was/is.

You lose all those guys and are still 1 or 2 plays from the playoff.

 

[Shamrock Theories]

This is a great breakdown of the season. Well said.

Who are you, btw? You seemingly came out of nowhere, dropping bombs and mesmerizing us with that amazing avatar.

Just a random lurker. 2010 grad.

Posted on II a while back but stopped a year ago or so, too boring

I thought the avatar summed up lots of the stuff I read on here lol

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Just a random lurker. 2010 grad.

Posted on II a while back but stopped a year ago or so, too boring

I thought the avatar summed up lots of the stuff I read on here lol

Blurry and out of focus?

I'll send you a few vbucks to get a new 'pitcher.'

 

[FDNYIrish1]

Never said anything about the staff making deals. If anything, the decommitmemt suggests the exact opposite.

Like I said, that's the confusing part to me I think. Why accept a commitment based on a contingency you have zero control over? I think we're basically on the same page with this, perhaps I'm not expressing it clearly enough. I don't disagree with you guys at all.

 

[Irish#1]

Blurry and out of focus?

I'll send you a few vbucks to get a new 'pitcher.'

Evidently you didn't see it before he fixed it. lol

 

[GBdomer]

What? I think last season showed just how deep ND was/is.

You lose all those guys and are still 1 or 2 plays from the playoff.

Yes, I agree the depth really showed but it also showed in some areas in which we are weak in. ND has a good roster with some very good depth at certain positions. IMO we are some big decommits and big recruiting misses away from it being GREAT

 

[kmoose]

Not many with the ability/upside/ND connection. Staff needs to start putting in overtime on the recruiting trail.

Putting in more hours isn't going to change the punk entitlement attitude of "I will only play football for you if you admit my family member, too."