'13 MI OT Steven Elmer (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

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I think Tristen Hoge would play center and Sam Mustipher would play right guard.

ISD had hinted that perhaps you keep Mustipher at center and move Hoge to guard. Mustipher has some experience actually playing center in a college game and Hoge is 6'4 so he might be better suited for guard. Then, you move Bars to LT and your line would be Bars, Nelson, Mustipher, Hoge, and McGlinchey.
 

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I don't recall yelling at him thru the tv this year. Other then that this would be another example of coaches failing to take care now n future of team. Losing linebackers lets not play backups at all,losing starting wrs nahhh don't need no reps for anyone else.
 

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Steve Elmer is a REALLY good NFL-quality guard. People need to shut up about that part of the story. If he wants to give pro-football a try, he should play this year and go for it --- the NFL will give him a chance. His versatility and brains are exactly what they want.

If he doesn't want to give the NFL a try [passing up a lot of dollars for a brief time at the least], then maybe he has a possible one-time shot at big-time government involvement. Doors of that sort do not open every day, and dreams deserve following.

We lose BIG TIME if he does not play, even with a Bars, Nelson, Mustipher/Hoge/Bivin, McGlinchey {pick five} line-up, with then very thin proven back-up [McGovern probably then first guard in; not terrible by a long shot, but a step down].

People need to shut up because you think he's a good NFL prospect at guard? That should make for solid message board discussion.

That being said, I don't think he's a good prospect at guard. He's slow and was clearly the weakest link on a very good offensive line. Does that mean he's not a decent player? Nope.

He has a lot to improve on if he has any desire to be a contributor on an NFL offensive line.
 

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...well, I guess now would be the time to think about what is next. The kid did what every parent would want...use football to create opportunity. Seems like he's done that so well, he has potential to do a lot of things.

My guess is, if he plays, he'll be committed and work hard just like the other guys.

If he doesn't play, it is because he knows he can't let himself be that guy who shows up, but his mind is elsewhere. As well, he'd forgo time he could be spending chasing a dream. Why would you do that if you didn't have to. HE is the perfect example of why I damn near killed myself to bank money for my kids' education. When they are in Steve Elmer's spot someday, I want them to have the leisure to chose...the leisure that I did not have.

Happy he has options. Happy for him no matter what he chooses. Glad he had the maturity to seriously think about it.
 

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People need to shut up because you think he's a good NFL prospect at guard? That should make for solid message board discussion.



That being said, I don't think he's a good prospect at guard. He's slow and was clearly the weakest link on a very good offensive line. Does that mean he's not a decent player? Nope.



He has a lot to improve on if he has any desire to be a contributor on an NFL offensive line.


I disagree with you. If he came out this year he would be drafted in the mid rounds. Let's not fool ourself a here. If Elmer decides not to play football the line takes a hit, it doesn't get better with a first year starter in his place.


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I disagree with you. If he came out this year he would be drafted in the mid rounds. Let's not fool ourself a here. If Elmer decides not to play football the line takes a hit, it doesn't get better with a first year starter in his place.


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The only hit it takes in my opinion is experience, not talent. If you rewatch the season and focus on just the offensive line, it's clear he's the weakest link through much or the season, although he performed well late in the year. Nelson performs better far more consistently until his injury and he's a redshirted first year player.

There's been a lot of talk about Hoge moving to guard and Mustipher replacing Martin. That's not random talk from people that don't know football. The hit will come in the cohesion department of the line but with already having to replace two starters, why not? I don't think it will happen because the staff has proven to prefer experience over young talent, but it's definitely something to think about, and definitely something that deserves discussion.

As far as his draft stock, I'm not sure where that lies. In all honesty, he'd most likely get a crack regardless because he'll be a four year starter.

In my opinion, he's not a good enough player and not athletically gifted enough to just show up and play well. If his heart and mind are not in the game, he needs to step away. It's the same reason I think CRob's game took a big step back this year. Good luck to both kids no matter what.
 
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The only hit it takes in my opinion is experience, not talent. If you rewatch the season and focus on just the offensive line, it's clear he's the weakest link through much or the season, although he performed well late in the year. Nelson performs better far more consistently until his injury and he's a redshirted first year player.

There's been a lot of talk about Hoge moving to guard and Montelus replacing Martin. That's not random talk from people that don't know football. The hit will come in the cohesion department of the line but with already having to replace two starters, why not? I don't think it will happen because the staff has proven to prefer experience over young talent, but it's definitely something to think about, and definitely something that deserves discussion.

As far as his draft stock, I'm not sure where that lies. In all honesty, he'd most likely get a crack regardless because he'll be a four year starter.

In my opinion, he's not a good enough player and not athletically gifted enough to just show up and play well. If his heart and mind are not in the game, he needs to step away. It's the same reason I think CRob's game took a big step back this year. Good luck to both kids no matter what.

You mean Mustipher, right? And Elmer may have been the weak link on the line, but that was because everyone else will definitely be starting in the NFL for years. Elmer would be drafted, no doubt, but the others will be starters for years.
 

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People need to shut up because you think he's a good NFL prospect at guard? That should make for solid message board discussion.

That being said, I don't think he's a good prospect at guard. He's slow and was clearly the weakest link on a very good offensive line. Does that mean he's not a decent player? Nope.

He has a lot to improve on if he has any desire to be a contributor on an NFL offensive line.

Exactly!
 

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You mean Mustipher, right? And Elmer may have been the weak link on the line, but that was because everyone else will definitely be starting in the NFL for years. Elmer would be drafted, no doubt, but the others will be starters for years.

Corrected it, thank you.
 
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ISD had hinted that perhaps you keep Mustipher at center and move Hoge to guard. Mustipher has some experience actually playing center in a college game and Hoge is 6'4 so he might be better suited for guard. Then, you move Bars to LT and your line would be Bars, Nelson, Mustipher, Hoge, and McGlinchey.

Others I have heard fall into the camp that Hoge played center his whole career, and was in fact the nations number one recruit at the position his senior year. That's a lot of experience.

Lesser know is how good Sam Mustipher's feet are; and how well he keeps his center of gravity low, when moving. Check it out. I don't know if he has AA Guard written all over his future; but he and Nelson could be pretty devastating inside with a good technician at center, and McGlinchey(highest rated linemen this year, by the way) and Bars outside.

Just a feeling a few of us share, for what it's worth.

Also, it will be interesting to see who plays left tackle this year. Stanley moved from right to left to fill in for ZMartin, which made him a better player in my opinion. McGlinchey is so long he has already learned to use his unbelievable length and quickness to cut off the pass rush. I bet either guy that plays it next year has the prospect (maybe probability) to come out a high first round draft choice!
 
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I see too many people play the altruistic "follow your heart" card and kids wake up in their 30s with no means of making a decent living. I know people that interned like this, they live like gypsies for years going from one campaign to the next, typically not making enough to support themselves in expensive locations. These are resume builders for law school, not career paths by and large. And he runs the risk of being manipulated by some Congressman who just wants in with some ND donors or rich family members.

I will maintain, if I wanted to be a politician - collecting an NFL paycheck for a few years out of school would be a great way to kick things off and build better connections you will need throughout your career.
 
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The latest I have heard is that the leak of private information was way premature.

I think someone actually talked to Mike Frank about it. As in 'talked to.'

I don't believe anything was carved in stone, and what we all have been obsessing about was just the kind of thing that is kind of a what if, that we all at least occasionally entertain.

Remember like with us, entertaining does not necessarily mean even having a sleepover.

And from what I have heard, it wasn't for a position in 'politics.'

Also to put a period at the end of the sentence, with all the speculation on how Elmer's performance actually graded out :



The rest of Keith's article can be found at NBC, Inside the Irish; Last Look : Offensive Line

Last Look: Offensive Line – Inside the Irish

I really have looked at a lot of footage of the offensive line. I do not in any way believe Steve Elmer is slow, let alone too slow. Also, I believe he is a much better athlete than most believe.

But look at his build verses say Sam Mustipher, or even commit, Parker Boudreaux. Steve is a lot longer, with less weight (proportionally) in the legs. All the other successful guards at Notre Dame in recent years, have been (relatively) thicker. Hell, even Zack Martin is thicker! (That was ZMartin's biggest knock by experts at tackle!)

So that makes it doubly important for Steve Elmer to keep his weight low. Mike McGlinchey had the same problem at tackle, among other things when we first saw him play. I think that was why he didn't break into the lineup earlier, and when he made the correction, turned out to be an opponent destroyer, and our highest rated lineman this past season! Also, if you watch 'Q,' he looks to have been born keeping his weight low.

Maybe it is good coaching from a young age, maybe martial arts contributed, efficient form is everything, but Q from day one had his center low and could deliver a blow at any time, even while pulling. And I believe that is why Steve faces his biggest problem : he gets downfield rather quickly; he just whiffs a lot. He is out of control, off balance and cannot correct, or deliver a blow as needed.

To sharpen this point, after watching some Bama game film, and not just this year, (They won the inaugural Joe Moore Award over ND), every lineman plays with incredible technique. They are not a 'fast' offensive line as much as they keep things low, and can deliver a blow at any time. That helps with a blitz, where you are outmanned at a gap. Adjustments to pick it up are much easier to make, regardless of scheme. And it is true, Alabama does not block area exclusively like ND.

Here is what else Keith had to say about Steve :

Needs Improvement: Steve Elmer needs to rally in his senior season. One look at PFF’s grades makes it apparent that Elmer had a down season. No starter had a grade even close to the negative number the junior put up. After seeing the field as a true freshman starter and then yo-yo’ing between tackle and guard as a sophomore, most expected consistency from Elmer in 2015. That wasn’t the case.

There’s still plenty to like about Elmer’s future and every reason to think he can not just rebound in 2016 but find a way to play on Sundays. He’s got exceptional size for an interior player. He’s a good enough athlete. But Elmer needs to correct his “big miss,” and we’ve seen it all too often in the run game as he’s badly whiffed on a block when his technique and body get out of position.

Last week rumors swirled after Irish Sports Daily’s Power Hour mentioned that Elmer might be considering an academics-only senior year, leaving behind his final season of eligibility. (I haven’t heard that rumor.) That move would force the Irish staff to replace a 30-game starter. Elmer’s far too talented to take off the field, but his backups also are too good to concede a starting job to someone underperforming. So Elmer will need to rebound in 2016 for the line—and Elmer—to reach their potential.
 

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It's official:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After 3 unforgettable years, I've decided to forgo my final season of athletic eligibility. I'll always be Irish!<a href="https://t.co/a1svK9qCdK">https://t.co/a1svK9qCdK</a></p>— Steven Elmer (@Steve_Elmer) <a href="https://twitter.com/Steve_Elmer/status/699639819669020672">February 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Doesn't he know that he made Rivals look foolish?

Thanks Elmer. Go kick butt and make ND proud.

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He should have complied with Rivals time line more closely.

But in all seriousness, good luck to Elmer. He's got a bright future.
 
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It's official:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After 3 unforgettable years, I've decided to forgo my final season of athletic eligibility. I'll always be Irish!<a href="https://t.co/a1svK9qCdK">https://t.co/a1svK9qCdK</a></p>— Steven Elmer (@Steve_Elmer) <a href="https://twitter.com/Steve_Elmer/status/699639819669020672">February 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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And I just made an ass of myself!

They broke word that Corey Robinson was leaving and decided to stay, just before the Elmer news.

I think we are okay.


I wish Steve the best, and appreciate all he did for the Irish!
 

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It's official:

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">After 3 unforgettable years, I've decided to forgo my final season of athletic eligibility. I'll always be Irish!<a href="https://t.co/a1svK9qCdK">https://t.co/a1svK9qCdK</a></p>— Steven Elmer (@Steve_Elmer) <a href="https://twitter.com/Steve_Elmer/status/699639819669020672">February 16, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Cheers to Steve. Hope he is a success in his endeavors.

How does this affect his scholarship? Does he have to pay the tuition since he freely gave up his eligibility? How does this affect the "85" limit?
 

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Always appreciate the work and time put in. Obviously this young man has a plan. Best wishes.
 

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Cheers to Steve. Hope he is a success in his endeavors.

How does this affect his scholarship? Does he have to pay the tuition since he freely gave up his eligibility? How does this affect the "85" limit?

Well, he graduates at the end of this term in May so doesn't effect his tuition as already paid for this term; and he comes off the scholarships being used list, so we drop one there.
 

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Cheers to Steve. Hope he is a success in his endeavors.

How does this affect his scholarship? Does he have to pay the tuition since he freely gave up his eligibility? How does this affect the "85" limit?

I think his message mentions that he will graduate in May... so tuition is irrelevant and since he will no longer be on scholarship next year, he would not count against the 85 man limit.

I wish him all the best. Football is tough and if you aren't all in, its better that you go chase your real dreams.
 
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Cheers to Steve. Hope he is a success in his endeavors.

How does this affect his scholarship? Does he have to pay the tuition since he freely gave up his eligibility? How does this affect the "85" limit?

I think he graduates this spring, and probably doesn't have much course work to finish up at that, because he was an early enrollee.

I think the staff would be fine with him staying on scholarship until he graduates; he contributed early and often, and his scholarship would be free when it was needed for the summer and fall.
 
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