BIG12 Allowed to Have Championship Game

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Big 12 wins vote to stage championship game | theScore.com

So this happened.

 

[NDRock]

Shit, hurts us IMO.

 

[Cali_domer]

I does hurt us, but how lame would it be to have a guaranteed rematch in the CCG.

The Big 12 is a hot mess and it all revolves around Texas.

 

[tko]

They'll just schedule a few more 1-AA opponents and hope the CCG makes them seem legit.

 

[MNIrishman]

Yeah they probably shouldn't be allowed to have a championship game if they have a round robin schedule. A guaranteed rematch every year serves no purpose. The game's already been played.

 

[NDWorld247]

I don't think you can definitively say this hurts or helps us, in the same way you can't say this will hurt or help the Big12.

An undefeated Big12 champ gets in under the current format. If they go to a CG format, an undefeated Big12 champ has to cross one more hurdle. A loss in the CG eliminates a team that would have been in without a CG.

On the other hand, a 1-loss Big12 champ is probably 50/50 depending on the other conferences under the current format. Some years the Big12 CG will serve as another hurdle and in other years it will serve as an opportunity.

For example, in 2014, a CG would have helped the Big12 because it would have provided a 1-loss champ that would have most likely gotten in over Ohio State. They needed a CG to get in. In 2015, 1-loss Oklahoma was in without a CG. They didn't need it and if they had lost, the Big12 might have lost its playoff spot to Stanford (or 1-loss ND if we had beaten Stanford).

One thing that's undeniable is a CG would bring in $$$. I heard yesterday $25-30MM.

I agree with those that have said a CG isn't needed based on their current round robin format. I think this is a tough decision for the Big12.

 

[Cali_domer]

I don't think you can definitively say this hurts or helps us, in the same way you can't say this will hurt or help the Big12.

An undefeated Big12 champ gets in under the current format. If they go to a CG format, an undefeated Big12 champ has to cross one more hurdle. A loss in the CG eliminates a team that would have been in without a CG.

On the other hand, a 1-loss Big12 champ is probably 50/50 depending on the other conferences under the current format. Some years the Big12 CG will serve as another hurdle and in other years it will serve as an opportunity.

For example, in 2014, a CG would have helped the Big12 because it would have provided a 1-loss champ that would have most likely gotten in over Ohio State. They needed a CG to get in. In 2015, 1-loss Oklahoma was in without a CG. They didn't need it and if they had lost, the Big12 might have lost its playoff spot to Stanford (or 1-loss ND if we had beaten Stanford).

One thing that's undeniable is a CG would bring in $$$. I heard yesterday $25-30MM.

I agree with those that have said a CG isn't needed based on their current round robin format. I think this is a tough decision for the Big12.

If all major conference's have a CCG (If Big 12 does it) they will consolidate power even more . This would not be a good development for us

 

[NDWorld247]

If all major conference's have a CCG (If Big 12 does it) they will consolidate power even more . This would not be a good development for us

Hmm, I'm not buying it and failing to see how a CCG would aid the power 5 conferences in consolidating power even more. Could you explain?

 

[Cali_domer]

Hmm, I'm not buying it and failing to see how a CCG would aid the power 5 conferences in consolidating power even more. Could you explain?

Do think the conferences all nice and uniformed would like ND to crash there party? 5 major conferences and only 4 spots, we would be a danger to them. No way to spin it as a positive development.

Now if it's us versus BYU for that last playoff spot we're a lock.

 

[NDWorld247]

Do think the conferences all nice and uniformed would like ND to crash there party? 5 major conferences and only 4 spots, we would be a danger to them. No way to spin it as a positive development.

Now if it's us versus BYU for that last playoff spot we're a lock.

Ok, but how is that any different than the current setup? Uniformity doesn't change anything. It's still 5 conferences for 4 spots and we're still a danger, just as we were before this development.

And to the bolded, I'm not arguing it's positive or negative. It's status quo and I disagree with those that say it's a bad development for ND, just as I'd disagree if people said it was a good development. It just is what it is. It'll help in some years and hurt in others.

 

[irishff1014]

I not sure how bad this could be for us right now but everyone else is putting pressure on us that's for sure.

 

[Cali_domer]

Ok, but how is that any different than the current setup? Uniformity doesn't change anything. It's still 5 conferences for 4 spots and we're still a danger, just as we were before this development.

And to the bolded, I'm not arguing it's positive or negative. It's status quo and I disagree with those that say it's a bad development for ND, just as I'd disagree if people said it was a good development. It just is what it is. It'll help in some years and hurt in others.

You don't think with all majors now having CCG the will put more emphasis on them(which they already do)? The cards are getting stacked more and more. We'll see if we expand to 8 which will take care of all this.

 

[ND NYC]

I still like current setup with 4 teams getting in, but if need be my vote is go to 6 not 8 with top 2 getting a bye. would set up nicely for us I think.

also, the regular season NEEDS to matter.

 

[TomHaverford]

Lol. They have a round robin and all play one another and there are no divisions. How does this work? Way to go NCAA.

 

[NDWorld247]

You don't think with all majors now having CCG the will put more emphasis on them(which they already do)? The cards are getting stacked more and more. We'll see if we expand to 8 which will take care of all this.

I honestly don't with the key word being "more". I've always thought the playoffs would be 5 conference champions for 4 spots with ND needing two conference champs to "stumble" in order to get in. I agree the deck is stacked, but at least we're in the game and have a chance. This news doesn't change the game IMO.

Let's look at a hypothetical scenario...ND beats Stanford and finishes 11-1. Oklahoma wins the Big12 at 11-1. I firmly believe Oklahoma was getting in over ND this year. Add in a CCG and now Oklahoma has to beat another team (Oklahoma State) to get in. Let's say OK State wins and finishes 11-2. Does ND get in? I think so, but I don't know. At least we have a chance because the team that was in ahead of us (Oklahoma) lost. Thanks Big12 Championship Game!!!

Now, look at the other side. ND is 11-1 and Oklahoma is 11-1 and conference champs, but in this scenario, the committee likes ND better and they get in. Now, Oklahoma has a CG and blows out Ok State and they jump ND. Fuck you Big 12 Championship Game!!!

My point is, the CG could hurt or help the Big12, but it's impossible to predict. It will hurt in some years (e.g. potentially 2015) and help (e.g. 2014) in others. Either way, it may change things year to year, but that's impossible to predict, good or bad. It's status quo. We need to either a) go undefeated, in which case we get in with or without a Big12 CCG or b) lose one game and hope two power 5 conferences produce a 2-loss champ, with or without a Big12 CCG.

 

[NDohio]

Just cause they can doesn't mean they will...

 

[Kingbish01]

You could have 15 CCG, none of that matters if ND goes 12-0. 11-1 (losing early in the year) may get dicey like it did this year, but that was more because ND struggled down the stretch. If ND pounded Wake, BC and then slipped by Stanford I don't think Oklahoma/Iowa would have jumped them.

 

[irishfanjho15]

Lol. They have a round robin and all play one another and there are no divisions. How does this work? Way to go NCAA.

'cuz $$$, that how it works.

 

[IrishLion]

Maybe they look into expansion again, knowing a CCG is pointless after playing round-robin?

[/UC fan nervously crossing fingers]

 

[NDWorld247]

Maybe they look into expansion again, knowing a CCG is pointless after playing round-robin?

[/UC fan nervously crossing fingers]

I heard someone on ESPN earlier today saying teams like Cincy, BYU and Houston just lost some of their leverage. Expansion = more slices of the revenue pie = less $$$ for current members.

 

[GoldenDomer]

We should join and win the conference every year.

 

[koonja]

We should join the PAC 12, that way we don't lose Stanford and USC. I realize this would never happen, but keeping those two games + Navy and joining a different conference is redonc. I bet PAC 12 would take us, btw.

 

[BobbyMac]

I still like current setup with 4 teams getting in, but if need be my vote is go to 6 not 8 with top 2 getting a bye. would set up nicely for us I think.

also, the regular season NEEDS to matter.

...and lose two games?? And all that money?? Never.

 

[MNIrishman]

We should join the PAC 12, that way we don't lose Stanford and USC. I realize this would never happen, but keeping those two games + Navy and joining a different conference is redonc. I bet PAC 12 would take us, btw.

On the one hand, the PAC has repeatedly looked down on ND over the years (Stanford wouldn't play us originally because we weren't academically worth speaking of) and we would bring the conference to an uneven number without being anywhere near their footprint.

On the other hand, $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

 

[TomHaverford]

We should join the PAC 12, that way we don't lose Stanford and USC. I realize this would never happen, but keeping those two games + Navy and joining a different conference is redonc. I bet PAC 12 would take us, btw.

that'd be one EXPENSIVE ass travel budget lol

 

[BobbyMac]

I heard someone on ESPN earlier today saying teams like Cincy, BYU and Houston just lost some of their leverage. Expansion = more slices of the revenue pie = less $$$ for current members.

Individually UT, TCU and Baylor don't want Houston or Rice in the Big12 from a football / basketball / baseball point of view but Houston and a smart second choice like Memphis, Cincy or BYU for example brings another good market and control of Houston who they now share with A&M and another conference. Having a team IN Houston means more than having fans of all the schools there when negotiating broadcasting deals. In the end, does adding the Houston market and one of the others raise your total income 20%? If so, the pie pieces remain the same. It's all about TV's and Radios... ask Rutgers.

 

[Blaise]

Conference Title game and now Texas Tech AD becoming the playoff Chairman.... big 12 won't be left out again

 

[IrishLion]

I still like current setup with 4 teams getting in, but if need be my vote is go to 6 not 8 with top 2 getting a bye. would set up nicely for us I think.

also, the regular season NEEDS to matter.

I like 8 teams, mainly because ND is almost assured to get in at 10-2, unless there is a strange year where 3+ teams finish unbeaten.

I also think the regular season would absolutely still matter at 8 teams. The debate around #8 this past season would have been interesting, though ND would have ultimately won that debate.

Anything more than 8 would make it essentially meaningless, though.

 

[NDWorld247]

Individually UT, TCU and Baylor don't want Houston or Rice in the Big12 from a football / basketball / baseball point of view but Houston and a smart second choice like Memphis, Cincy or BYU for example brings another good market and control of Houston who they now share with A&M and another conference. Having a team IN Houston means more than having fans of all the schools there when negotiating broadcasting deals. In the end, does adding the Houston market and one of the others raise your total income 20%? If so, the pie pieces remain the same. It's all about TV's and Radios... ask Rutgers.

That's a good question. My guess is no, but it's probably close. Even if the answer were yes, it's probably not much more than 20% making the gains negligible and not worth the risk of awakening a sleeping giant in Houston. As a fan of CFB I'd love to see it but if I were a fan of UT, Baylor or TCU (and even Oklahoma and Oklahoma St), I'd say no thanks.

 

[BobbyMac]

Conference Title game and now Texas Tech AD becoming the playoff Chairman.... big 12 won't be left out again

Hocutt got the job??? OMG, what could possibly go wrong now??? I mean this is the guy who hired Billy Gillispie AFTER he got fired at Kentucky. Think about that for a moment. That's the sports equivalent of hiring Charles Manson to babysit your kids if he got out.

Where's my Michael Jackson eating popcorn meme...