2016 Presidential Horse Race

[BGIF]

Again by a wide margin Sanders wins polls and focus groups yet HRC dominates all the mainstream media pages nd talking head opinions per Alternet:

No doubt part of that "vast right wing plot".

 

[RDU Irish]

You're all wrong. She'll probably win because neither party is capable of producing a candidate worth a damn to run against her. The elections slate is the most embarrassing group I've witnessed in my lifetime.

I disagree - I think the republican slate is pretty strong. Hate Trump all you want but it is the electorate that plays the popularity contest instead of focusing on able bodied executives.

Dems - seriously embarrassing that they don't even try to put anyone viable up against Hillary. Bernie was meant to be a cupcake to go through the motions but turns into a contender when the electorate balks at H-dog.

Trump would be winning either party, it is not a phenomenon exclusive to Republicans.

 

[woolybug25]

I disagree - I think the republican slate is pretty strong. Hate Trump all you want but it is the electorate that plays the popularity contest instead of focusing on able bodied executives.

Dems - seriously embarrassing that they don't even try to put anyone viable up against Hillary. Bernie was meant to be a cupcake to go through the motions but turns into a contender when the electorate balks at H-dog.

Trump would be winning either party, it is not a phenomenon exclusive to Republicans.

Haha... I almost don't even want to respond to this, but I will.

"Able body executives"? like Fiorina, who is widely held as the worst CEO in the history of business? Or the reality tv celebrity in Trump, who may or may not even be a Republican? Or the surgeon that doesn't believe in Dinosaurs? Give me a break.

How would Trump be leading either party when he is currently behind Hillary as a Republican?
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

 

[GoIrish41]

I disagree - I think the republican slate is pretty strong. Hate Trump all you want but it is the electorate that plays the popularity contest instead of focusing on able bodied executives.

Dems - seriously embarrassing that they don't even try to put anyone viable up against Hillary. Bernie was meant to be a cupcake to go through the motions but turns into a contender when the electorate balks at H-dog.

Trump would be winning either party, it is not a phenomenon exclusive to Republicans.

Nonsense!

 

[phgreek]

Nonsense!

...I guess we'll never know if Trump would be leading in a Democrat primary.

What we do know is that Hillary Clinton leads by a wide margin...and that is AT LEAST as bad.

 

[GoIrish41]

...I guess we'll never know if Trump would be leading in a Democrat primary.

What we do know is that Hillary Clinton leads by a wide margin...and that is AT LEAST as bad.

The first bigoted comments that crossed his lips during his announcement speech would have disqualified him with almost all Democrats. You can believe all you want that Hillary is the antiChrist, but she is nowhere near as bad as Trump. I don't think I ever seen a worse candidate in any US election. Self respecting republicans ought to feel shame by association with that vile impicile but 40 percent of them support him. It is sad what he is doing to that party.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

...I guess we'll never know if Trump would be leading in a Democrat primary.

What we do know is that Hillary Clinton leads by a wide margin...and that is AT LEAST as bad.

Depends where you look. Read Cack's post just a few up from this one.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Anyone think that the RNC delegates vote against Trump, ultimately blocking his nomination (assuming he doesn't pull 60% of popular votes)? At that point, would he run as an Indep? Does RNC take the risk of fracturing the party?

Some might think the DNC could potentially do this to Bernie as well (although, I haven't seen it discussed anywhere. Just a theory on my part.). There are non-establishment polls out there suggesting Bernie is not only ahead of Hillary, but way ahead. Will the DNC push Hillary ahead in the same way that the RNC may push a Cruz/Rubio/Bush?

Idk. I just think something bizarre/unprecedented will happen this election. Clearly the majority of people in this country (on both sides) are tired of "every day politics," and their support is showing in the rise of anti-establishment candidates. Figured it'd be interesting to hear my fellow IE'ers thoughts.

 

[RDU Irish]

Haha... I almost don't even want to respond to this, but I will.

"Able body executives"? like Fiorina, who is widely held as the worst CEO in the history of business? Or the reality tv celebrity in Trump, who may or may not even be a Republican? Or the surgeon that doesn't believe in Dinosaurs? Give me a break.

How would Trump be leading either party when he is currently behind Hillary as a Republican?
RealClearPolitics - Election 2016 - General Election: Trump vs. Clinton

Who are the able bodied executives running on the Democrat side? Billionaire, Fortune 500 executive, neurosurgeon, bevy of governors and a couple of Senators with little to no executive experience. Compare this to Clinton and Sanders and I cannot understand how any self respecting human with an IQ over 50 could claim the Democrats have a better field on paper. Lie all you want, just don't lie to yourself folks.

Fact of the matter, I would vote for any candidate over Hillary Clinton. She epitomizes all that is wrong with Washington DC. Trump, Carson, Fiorina all get my vote over Clinton. But please, keep equating the "lesser of two evils" decision with unabashed support.

 

[RDU Irish]

Now if Sanders win the nomination - I might be forced to consider the idea of him getting nothing accomplished against a Republican congress against someone like Trump being a twat.

 

[GoIrish41]

Anyone think that the RNC delegates vote against Trump, ultimately blocking his nomination (assuming he doesn't pull 60% of popular votes)? At that point, would he run as an Indep? Does RNC take the risk of fracturing the party?

Some might think the DNC could potentially do this to Bernie as well (although, I haven't seen it discussed anywhere. Just a theory on my part.). There are non-establishment polls out there suggesting Bernie is not only ahead of Hillary, but way ahead. Will the DNC push Hillary ahead in the same way that the RNC may push a Cruz/Rubio/Bush?

Idk. I just think something bizarre/unprecedented will happen this election. Clearly the majority of people in this country (on both sides) are tired of "every day politics," and their support is showing in the rise of anti-establishment candidates. Figured it'd be interesting to hear my fellow IE'ers thoughts.

If they did an end around on Trump, his ego would compel him to run as an independent IMO.

 

[RDU Irish]

Elect more of the same and see what you get.

Russian feared Reagan because they thought he was crazy with potential to do anything. I'm OK with the world walking on egg shells in fear of our POTUS for a change. Trump is crazy like a fox. I suspect he would surround himself with some pretty good folks who were not career politicians and his actual actions would be very different from his words. The bigger farce is thinking that he would be some staunch conservative - he is playing the crowd like a maestro.

 

[GoIrish41]

Elect more of the same and see what you get.

Russian feared Reagan because they thought he was crazy with potential to do anything. I'm OK with the world walking on egg shells in fear of our POTUS for a change. Trump is crazy like a fox. I suspect he would surround himself with some pretty good folks who were not career politicians and his actual actions would be very different from his words. The bigger farce is thinking that he would be some staunch conservative - he is playing the crowd like a maestro.

Last week he suggested that he'd consider Sarah Palin for a cabinet position ... so, um, no thanks.

 

[RDU Irish]

yep, no way he's pandering to her supporters there.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

You're all wrong. She'll probably win because neither party is capable of producing a candidate worth a damn to run against her. The elections slate is the most embarrassing group I've witnessed in my lifetime.

I wasn't talking about "why Hillary will win." I was talking about her platform. She's running on last name alone, and all the power/ money that comes with the Clinton machine.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

I can't predict the future but I can guarantee this: the Republican presidential nominee will NOT be under federal investigation and will NOT be a socialist.

 

[GoIrish41]

I can't predict the future but I can guarantee this: the Republican presidential nominee will NOT be under federal investigation and will NOT be a socialist.

... and will not be president.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

I wasn't talking about "why Hillary will win." I was talking about her platform. She's running on last name alone, and all the power/ money that comes with the Clinton machine.

Isn't Jeb doing the same thing?

 

[Buster Bluth]

I wasn't talking about "why Hillary will win." I was talking about her platform. She's running on last name alone, and all the power/ money that comes with the Clinton machine.

Her platform huh? Funny considering it's almost identical to the GOP platform you'll see come the general.

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[ND NYC]

Isn't Jeb doing the same thing?

I actually think its the opposite.

His entire campaign has been "Jeb this" and "Jeb that"...no signs or ads have focused on the Bush name that I have seen.

It been "Jeb"

He's running from his name IMO.

ps wtf is a Jeb?

 

[BGIF]

I actually think its the opposite.

His entire campaign has been "Jeb this" and "Jeb that"...no signs or ads have focused on the Bush name that I have seen.

It been "Jeb"

He's running from his name IMO.

ps wtf is a Jeb?

A parent thing, his initials, John Ellis Bush.

 

[NDgradstudent]

The first bigoted comments that crossed his lips during his announcement speech would have disqualified him with almost all Democrats.

Are you sure about that? Do you remember the 2008 primary?

The Democratic party, as I have argued before, is a coalition of the fringes. Playing one off the other is pretty easy, and we see it all the time: blacks vs. Mexicans, blacks/Mexicans vs. Asians, blacks vs. gays, blacks vs. gentry white liberals, unions vs. Asians, etc.

Everyone else votes Republican.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Isn't Jeb doing the same thing?

No.

 

[Polish Leppy 22]

Her platform huh? Funny considering it's almost identical to the GOP platform you'll see come the general.

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If Jeb were the nominee you'd be 100% right. His campaign is near the end (thankfully) so that won't be the case.

 

[Buster Bluth]

If Jeb were the nominee you'd be 100% right. His campaign is near the end (thankfully) so that won't be the case.

It's not just Jeb it's the whole party. Clinton grew up a Republican and she and her husband governed as Republicans. Hillary is every bit the hawk the GOP makes a prerequisite for candidacy, her support for issues like gay marriage is as calculated as any Republican who flipped for political gain, her economic views are every bit as corporate as any Republican who has a shot at winning. When you look at Hillary with disgust you're just seeing a Republican without the Fox News/AM radio PR umbrella. You'd need a magnifying glass to see the difference between the Dem candidate and GOP candidate, no different than 2004.

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

No.

So, you don't think Jeb's running on his last name and the money and power it brings? Only Hillary? Jeb raised over $100 million because he's such a great campaigner huh?

 

[BGIF]

It's not just Jeb it's the whole party. Clinton grew up a Republican and she and her husband governed as Republicans. Hillary is every bit the hawk the GOP makes a prerequisite for candidacy, her support for issues like gay marriage is as calculated as any Republican who flipped for political gain, her economic views are every bit as corporate as any Republican who has a shot at winning. When you look at Hillary with disgust you're just seeing a Republican without the Fox News/AM radio PR umbrella. You'd need a magnifying glass to see the difference between the Dem candidate and GOP candidate, no different than 2004.

When you look at Hillary with disgust you're just seeing a Republican without the Fox New/AM radio PR umbrella.

So Republicans have ALL the rest of the media support just like Hillary?

NOT even Ike!

 

[phgreek]

It's not just Jeb it's the whole party. Clinton grew up a Republican and she and her husband governed as Republicans. Hillary is every bit the hawk the GOP makes a prerequisite for candidacy, her support for issues like gay marriage is as calculated as any Republican who flipped for political gain, her economic views are every bit as corporate as any Republican who has a shot at winning. When you look at Hillary with disgust you're just seeing a Republican without the Fox News/AM radio PR umbrella. You'd need a magnifying glass to see the difference between the Dem candidate and GOP candidate, no different than 2004.

not that I agree, but ideological differences aren't Hillary's problem. She is the "Crook" Nixon had in mind...

 

[connor_in]

 

[connor_in]