All Things Star Wars Thread (Spoilers)

Johannes

A Peppermint Nightmare
Messages
1,152
Reaction score
418
Has anybody seen both 3D and non 3D? I saw it in 3D and almost didn't notice it, could be that I was so into it that I couldn't tell

I saw it opening night on a regular screen and then yesterday in IMAX 3D (local theaters are not offering it in regular IMAX, unfortunately). I was reluctant about the 3D, but I thought they used it tastefully throughout the movie. When I see it again (and I will), I will probably see it in the IMAX format again.

Loved it even more the second viewing.
 

greyhammer90

the drunk piano player
Messages
16,821
Reaction score
16,084
Nonstop jokes? Go back and watch the original films. They were LOADED with jokes, usually from C-3PO and R2-D2. The difference is, these were funnier. Y'all are acting like they went full Guardians of the Galaxy.

Sent from my Galaxy Note4 using Tapatalk.

Eh... It's a different kind of humor than the original. Not everyone needs to be Tony Stark, and I felt like it was just a bunch of try-hards trying to out quip one another at times.

Probably tied with Jedi for me. This movie had major pacing problems but the trilogy has potential.
 

johnnycando

Frosted Tips
Messages
3,744
Reaction score
490
Movie was fantastic.

I got a little emotional watching my old favorite characters on Star Wars, having aged and come full circle.

Like tearful happiness. Nostalgic happiness.

Period-like emotions.

Great job and masterfully done film. IMHO.
 

phillyirish

................
Messages
1,931
Reaction score
884
So question/theory for those who watched it multiple times and payed more attention to it then me:

Was Snoke definetly a hologram?? What if he was just appearing as a a force ghost like we've seen Obi/Qui Gon/ Yoda?? I think that would be pretty cool and give a lot more credibility to the Darth Plagues theory.
 
B

Buster Bluth

Guest
So question/theory for those who watched it multiple times and payed more attention to it then me:

Was Snoke definetly a hologram?? What if he was just appearing as a a force ghost like we've seen Obi/Qui Gon/ Yoda?? I think that would be pretty cool and give a lot more credibility to the Darth Plagues theory.
Nah hologram definitely.
 

gkIrish

Greek God
Messages
13,184
Reaction score
1,004
I think there is 0% chance Rey is Leia's daughter.

I think maybe 25% chance she is Luke's daughter and 25% Obi-Wan's grandchild.


And I don't think anyone has mentioned this but couldn't Finn be Lando's child???
 

ulukinatme

Carr for QB 2025!
Messages
31,513
Reaction score
17,371
And I don't think anyone has mentioned this but couldn't Finn be Lando's child???

My buddy mentioned that. Didn't Finn say he was taken away from his parents or something? Could have been taken from Cloud City I guess while the Empire was in control. It wouldn't be far fetched at this point, Force Awakens was definitely a family affair.
 

phillyirish

................
Messages
1,931
Reaction score
884
A lot of noise out there that Finn is Lando's kid. There was that toy release that had his biography stating just that. Also seeing how pretty much ever character has been related in some way and lucasfilms is trying to make the galaxy as small as possible it is highly probable. Lastly, since 50% of the know Star Wars universe black population died with mace windu there aren't many other options unless the midichlorians are up to no good again.
 
B

Buster Bluth

Guest
This will be pretty stupid of they have a galaxy if trillions if beings and everyone noteworthy is related. It'd be beyond stupid actually.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk
 

NDohio

Well-known member
Messages
5,869
Reaction score
3,060
I think there is 0% chance Rey is Leia's daughter.

I think maybe 25% chance she is Luke's daughter and 25% Obi-Wan's grandchild.


And I don't think anyone has mentioned this but couldn't Finn be Lando's child???

My buddy mentioned that. Didn't Finn say he was taken away from his parents or something? Could have been taken from Cloud City I guess while the Empire was in control. It wouldn't be far fetched at this point, Force Awakens was definitely a family affair.

A lot of noise out there that Finn is Lando's kid. There was that toy release that had his biography stating just that. Also seeing how pretty much ever character has been related in some way and lucasfilms is trying to make the galaxy as small as possible it is highly probable. Lastly, since 50% of the know Star Wars universe black population died with mace windu there aren't many other options unless the midichlorians are up to no good again.

And so I ask again - when does Lando come back to pilot the Falcon?

This will be pretty stupid of they have a galaxy if trillions if beings and everyone noteworthy is related. It'd be beyond stupid actually.

Sent from my SM-G900V using Tapatalk


It is pretty silly, but it's part of the charm of Star Wars.
 
C

Cackalacky

Guest
They did not get to much into the process in the movie but it was said the Troopers were conditioned from birth to be troopers for the FO.

That would mean that somehow the FO obtained Lando's kid from Lando and then conditioned him to be a trooper. So either it is this or Lando sold his kid off to pay a debt, which is much more likely.

Also its been said several times in the media that BDW will not play Lando, though I do not recall Lando being scratched from the movies.
 
Last edited:
C

Cackalacky

Guest
It is pretty silly, but it's part of the charm of Star Wars.
Right. In the context of the original trilogy, the universe in the movies was relatively small. There were only five known force users in ANH:

Two former Jedi in hiding, both later die
One unknown (Leia)
Two Sith
Luke

and then two by the end of ROTJ
Luke - now the most powerful force user in the universe
Leia - not a force user though she has the powers

Again I don't want to put percentages on it but I would be shocked if Rey was not related somehow to the Solos or Skywalkers.

It was LUCAS that basically made Jedi's as common as MDA at a rave in the prequels along with all of their expanded abilities. Also all of the video games, EU books, etc have made the universe much bigger than the movies.

Its becoming clearer to me that my initial assumptions/expectations about the characters of Finn, Rey and Ren need to be reigned in.
 
Last edited:
C

Cackalacky

Guest
At least we'd finally know what his "little maneuver at the battle of Tanaab" was!

This is hilarious.

lando-hera.png
 

NDohio

Well-known member
Messages
5,869
Reaction score
3,060
They did not get to much into the process in the movie but it was said the Troopers were conditioned from birth to be troopers for the FO.

That would mean that somehow the FO obtained Lando's kid from Lando and then conditioned him to be a trooper. So either it is this or Lando sold his kid off to pay a debt, which is much more likely.

Also its been said several times in the media that BDW will not play Lando, though I do not recall Lando being scratched from the movies
.

Maybe?

Star Wars Might Finally Bring Back Lando Calrissian, Get The Details - CINEMABLEND

The Star Wars franchise makes its return this December with Star Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens, brandishing the return of several cast members of the storied Original Trilogy. Apparently, one classic cast member who will be missing that boat is Billy Dee Williams in his role as the Cloud City Casanova himself, Lando Calrissian. However, according to his comments in a recent interview, Lando could still end up jumping into his cloud car and swooping his way into the new films, caressing a beautiful lady in one hand while holding a can of Colt 45 in the other. (Although, drinking malt liquor while cloud-car-flying is not recommended for people who are not Billy Dee.)

In an interview with Cinelinx, Williams discusses his recent return as the Lando Calrissian character by way of a voice performance for the animated series, Star Wars Rebels. However, it seems that the world of digital animation may not be the only means that the mustachioed smuggler of black market goods and non-single women returns to the Star Wars continuity. In fact, if Williams’ tone is any indication, Lando could, in a move mirroring his Original Trilogy appearances, show up in the Sequel Trilogy sequels:

I have a feeling I’m going to show up. There’s nothing I can really discuss about it at this stage. People think of me as the original cast, but I didn’t come in until the second movie. I did Empire and then I did Return of the Jedi, but I came in after everyone else was introduced...So I think they’re probably proceeding in that way. I can’t imagine them not bringing Lando back.


For the 77-year-old veteran actor, Williams, whose career dates back to the 1950’s, the flamboyant blue-caped shadow cast over him by the Lando character is something that he now embraces. He now gladly finds himself a mainstay at Star Wars conventions where, according to Williams, fans see Lando as "perpetually me." If he wasn’t amped to return before, then the Rebels performance certainly must have incited some craving to play Lando again. Now, with his role as Han Solo’s wayward, but redeemed former partner in crime, Williams sees a prospective live action return as the culmination of the experience.

However, despite his clear adoration for the Lando character, who he claims is a "parody" of himself, he’s not quite at a point where he’s scanning the field of his prospective return. In the Cinelinx interview, Williams claims to have never seen The Force Awakens trailer and claims to have "no idea what they’re doing with it." With that said, he does plan to see the film upon release, and, when asked what the answer would be when the fateful casting call does come, Williams responded unhesitatingly with "sure."

While it’s pretty clear that the upcoming J.J. Abrams-led sequel films will focus on a new generation of Force-powered protagonists, it’s also apparent that it is being approached with the heart of a fan. Thus, the return of Luke, Han, Leia and Chewbacca in a supporting capacity in Episode VII have to be seen as a sign that more classic characters are on their way to the two subsequent chapters; especially if one rumor of Lando’s connection to a cast newbie is correct. Yes, we think that Williams’ phone will ring, emitting a lens flare of Abrams-led optimism that Lando will return!
 

gkIrish

Greek God
Messages
13,184
Reaction score
1,004
I really don't understand how anyone thinks Rey is Han and/or Leia's child. I found Leia and Rey's embrace strange considering they did not meet before then IIRC but otherwise it makes no sense.

I know in the books they had twins but I find it extremely hard to believe they just abandoned her on Jakku. I also think it would be completely crazy for JJ to give Leia some bastard child. Might as well spit on Han's grave.
 

NDohio

Well-known member
Messages
5,869
Reaction score
3,060
Agree.

Luke's daughter or an offspring of Obi is the direction I see it going.
 

IrishSteelhead

All Flair, No Substance
Messages
11,114
Reaction score
4,686
(Spoilers) Force Awakens Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

(Spoilers) Force Awakens Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

I really don't understand how anyone thinks Rey is Han and/or Leia's child. I found Leia and Rey's embrace strange considering they did not meet before then IIRC but otherwise it makes no sense.



I know in the books they had twins but I find it extremely hard to believe they just abandoned her on Jakku. I also think it would be completely crazy for JJ to give Leia some bastard child. Might as well spit on Han's grave.


Since Leia has the force, Han is force attuned, and her (in this theory) Uncle Luke is a master Jedi, maybe someone understood Ben was going to follow a horrible path, and she was hid from him? Yes, I understand the argument "well why wouldn't they just stop him then?" Just spitballing. ...

When Ren carried Rey onto his ship as Han watched made me speculate the two are sibs, but who knows.
 

NDohio

Well-known member
Messages
5,869
Reaction score
3,060
Since Leia has the force, Han is force attuned, and her (in this theory) Uncle Luke is a master Jedi, maybe someone understood Ben was going to follow a horrible path, and she was hid from him? Yes, I understand the argument "well why wouldn't they just stop him then?" Just spitballing. ...

When Ren carried Rey onto his ship as Han watched made me speculate the two are sibs, but who knows.


I felt that look was just because it was the first time Han had seen his son in a long time.
 
C

Cackalacky

Guest
Since Leia has the force, Han is force attuned, and her (in this theory) Uncle Luke is a master Jedi, maybe someone understood Ben was going to follow a horrible path, and she was hid from him? Yes, I understand the argument "well why wouldn't they just stop him then?" Just spitballing. ...

When Ren carried Rey onto his ship as Han watched made me speculate the two are sibs, but who knows.
Yes. This. They may not be twins but sibblings. Maybe Ren started his training earlier and failed before Rey was able to show force sensitivity but Leia, knowing how strong it was in the Skywalker line made the hard choice to remove her from the equation. Obviously Han and Leis had to make some hard choices. I have mentioned it before but the scene with Leia and Rey was awkward and there seemed to be much more going on there than just Leia saying..."May the Force be with you" and that awkward hug before Rey gets into the Falcon.
 

Domina Nostra

Well-known member
Messages
6,251
Reaction score
1,388
So again, why do people like Poe so much?

I like him because I have young boys and he is a young boy's hero: kind, brave, not morally-conflicted (at least in a good vs. evil way). When you do that, you have to have a good actor, because otherwise the character can become one-dimensional. Isacc brought a lot of energy and charm to the part.

At some point I noticed comic books start getting criticized for not being edgy enough. Then I noticed they wer kind of growing with me. As I got older, they were getting more adult-oriented at the same time. I used to think this was cool, but now I think its kind of pathetic.

Batman, James Bond, Indiana Jones, some of these other characters are really for adults. But Superman, Luke Skywalker, Captain America, are for kids. I liked Poe Damerson because he was written like those guys.

Luke's daughter or an offspring of Obi is the direction I see it going.

I agree that Rey could be Luke's daughter somehow, but not Han and Leah's unless they were brainwashed by Snoke or something like that. Obi would be a stretch.
 

greyhammer90

the drunk piano player
Messages
16,821
Reaction score
16,084
I really don't understand how anyone thinks Rey is Han and/or Leia's child. I found Leia and Rey's embrace strange considering they did not meet before then IIRC but otherwise it makes no sense.

I know in the books they had twins but I find it extremely hard to believe they just abandoned her on Jakku. I also think it would be completely crazy for JJ to give Leia some bastard child. Might as well spit on Han's grave.

I don't know if I think this is the case but there were a ton of cliched "screenwriter hints" that Han and Rey are father and daughter. They completed each others sentences a ton, are both interested in the inter-workings of ships, and there was a father-daughter bonding scene where they were alone and he taught her briefly how to shoot. There are some logistical hurdles to it all making sense like you pointed out, but those were all pretty obvious "tip-offs" that there is something more to that relationship.
 

ColinKSU

Well-known member
Messages
4,647
Reaction score
6,163
I like him because I have young boys and he is a young boy's hero: kind, brave, not morally-conflicted (at least in a good vs. evil way). When you do that, you have to have a good actor, because otherwise the character can become one-dimensional. Isacc brought a lot of energy and charm to the part.

At some point I noticed comic books start getting criticized for not being edgy enough. Then I noticed they wer kind of growing with me. As I got older, they were getting more adult-oriented at the same time. I used to think this was cool, but now I think its kind of pathetic.

Batman, James Bond, Indiana Jones, some of these other characters are really for adults. But Superman, Luke Skywalker, Captain America, are for kids. I liked Poe Damerson because he was written like those guys.

Poe Dameron is that perfect a**hole that your ex-girlfriend dumps you to be with.
 

gkIrish

Greek God
Messages
13,184
Reaction score
1,004
I don't know if I think this is the case but there were a ton of cliched "screenwriter hints" that Han and Rey are father and daughter. They completed each others sentences a ton, are both interested in the inter-workings of ships, and there was a father-daughter bonding scene where they were alone and he taught her briefly how to shoot. There are some logistical hurdles to it all making sense like you pointed out, but those were all pretty obvious "tip-offs" that there is something more to that relationship.

I get a child not knowing if someone is their parent (i.e. Luke and Anakin/Darth) but I think it would be ridiculous for a parent not to sense someone is their child. It's going to be really stupid if in Episode VIII we get a scene where Leia just realizes Rey is some kid she abandoned for basically no good reason. It would be waayyyyyyyy too serious if Leia abandoned her because she was not Han's baby and didn't want him to find out. Star Wars is no longer a kid-friendly movie if that happens.
 
C

Cackalacky

Guest
I don't think that Obi wan would have fathered a child. I just don't see it. There is nothing in the recent cartoons or even in the prequels that would make me think he would father a child.

In the prequels and cartoon series, all the Jedi were identified from non-Jedi families and brought to the temple for training. It was regimented and occurred very early on in childhood. I do not recall anyone in the universe created by Lucas that is now accepted canon that fathered a child or had a woman other than Anakin. I accept that there may be many dark side force users in the Lucas universe that may have been conceived by other force users but we know of none on either side..like the Dathomir Witches for example.
 
Last edited:
C

Cackalacky

Guest
I get a child not knowing if someone is their parent (i.e. Luke and Anakin/Darth) but I think it would be ridiculous for a parent not to sense someone is their child. It's going to be really stupid if in Episode VIII we get a scene where Leia just realizes Rey is some kid she abandoned for basically no good reason. It would be waayyyyyyyy too serious if Leia abandoned her because she was not Han's baby and didn't want him to find out. Star Wars is no longer a kid-friendly movie if that happens.

Not even if they had to make a hard choice to protect her from her brother who worships the dark sided Vader? That is highly reasonable IMO. Especially if Luke failed with Ren and refused to teach Rey. There is no one left to teach her. Obviously Leia has not developed her powers AFAWK.
 

johnnycando

Frosted Tips
Messages
3,744
Reaction score
490
Agree.

Luke's daughter or an offspring of Obi is the direction I see it going.

I'm thinking Rey was one of the young Jedis thet survived the massacre that made Luke go "missing."

I don't think there will be a relation. There may be.

She was "hidden" on jakku to save her from evil intentions. I believe she is important, and it's hard to say why. Maybe due to destiny. The fact that Luke's saber called to her, means she may be a relative.

Luke's daughter or Obi Wan's grand daughter would be acceptable and a fun story line.

Like Buster, I can accept that some ordinary people have the force. The chosen randoms if you will.
 
Last edited:

Irish#1

Livin' Your Dream!
Staff member
Messages
44,577
Reaction score
20,030
Looks like Harrison Ford is wearing his Indiana Jones outfit for this movie.
 

gkIrish

Greek God
Messages
13,184
Reaction score
1,004
Not even if they had to make a hard choice to protect her from her brother who worships the dark sided Vader? That is highly reasonable IMO. Especially if Luke failed with Ren and refused to teach Rey. There is no one left to teach her. Obviously Leia has not developed her powers AFAWK.

The only way that makes any sense is if there is a big age difference between Ren and Rey. Rey would have been, what, 6 years old at best when she was "abandoned" ? Otherwise she would remember Han and/or Leia.... Kylo didn't turn to the dark side before puberty I'm guessing. He was probably 15 at best. So there would have to be a 10 year age gap for that to make any sense at all and I still doubt Han, Leia, and/or Kylo didn't recognize her at all.
 
Top