Silly Season 2015/2016 (Coaching Changes)

[BGIF]

Louisiana is one of the most talent-rich states in the country and the vast majority of the kids there grow up dreaming of playing for LSU, as they're the only major program in the state. They're like USC or Texas in that they should never have a problem getting tons of talent. You're virtually guaranteed to have one of the 10 most talented rosters in the country and with that much talent, winning 75% of your games should be a given.

What separates the adequate coaches from the great ones is whether you can consistently win against similar or greater talent. Over the last 4 years, Les has failed miserably in this area. Bama has dominated him, and he's only winning about 50% of the time against teams with slightly less talent such as Auburn, Ole Miss, aTm and Arkansas. He's 1-9 the past 4 years when LSU is an underdog, and they've never been a huge underdog.

He's put a lot of players into the NFL, but given the talent at LSU, anything else would be surprising. Given the amount of talented players coming out of the program, where are the SEC or national titles in recent years? If I take a Ferrari 488 GTB to the track and run all over the Mustangs, Chargers, and Camaros, does that make me a great driver? No, it just means I have a car that anyone could beat those other cars with. See what I do against Lambos, Porsche's, McLarens and other Ferraris and then you'll have an idea of whether I'm a good driver or not.

In other words, over the past 4 years, Miles has won with talent, not coaching. Any decent coach could do what he's done with that much talent. He's failed to get the talent he has to dominate anyone other than over-matched teams and win titles. He beats the weak teams, struggles against good teams, and gets obliterated against more talented teams. His coaching has been mediocre at best since the 2011 season, and he's shown no sign of being able to right the ship and do anything more than that.

LA has always been a talent rich state but somehow through over 100 years of football history their record isn't as good as Alabama's is it?

Interesting you mentioned various car brands but you didn't mention how Miles compares with other "drivers" who also drove the LSU brand. Actually Miles has the highest winning percentage of ALL LSU coaches that have been there for more than two seasons. Only Charlie McClendon has more wins, about 2 dozen more in 5 or 6 more years there.

Any decent coach could do what he's done with that much talent.

Any decent coach? Really? So shouldn't a genius like Saban have won about 90% of this games at LSU given the talent and the his strategic advantage?

Miles has a .775 record at LSU, better than Saban's .750 record at Baton Rouge.

While Saban was at LSU he was 4-1 against Bama while Miles is only 6-5.

Of course it would be fair to note that Saban coached against such Bama Legends as DuBose 1-0, Franchione 1-1, and who else Price, no, Shula 2-0. Saban did pretty good coaching against Bama when chumps walked the sidelines.

It would also be fair to note that Miles coached against Bama when Saban walked the sidelines. And it would be worth noting as "weak" teams were emphaized by you that Miles never lost to hapless UAB like Saban did. Remind me, when did UAB become one of the "more talented teams"?

Your hyperbole in this thread is embarrassing and blatantly incorrect.

 

[Classic Irish]

Isn't Franchione at UT-San Antonio?

Larry Coker is at UTSA, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[NDdomer2]

Louisiana is one of the most talent-rich states in the country and the vast majority of the kids there grow up dreaming of playing for LSU, as they're the only major program in the state. They're like USC or Texas in that they should never have a problem getting tons of talent. You're virtually guaranteed to have one of the 10 most talented rosters in the country and with that much talent, winning 75% of your games should be a given.

What separates the adequate coaches from the great ones is whether you can consistently win against similar or greater talent. Over the last 4 years, Les has failed miserably in this area. Bama has dominated him, and he's only winning about 50% of the time against teams with slightly less talent such as Auburn, Ole Miss, aTm and Arkansas. He's 1-9 the past 4 years when LSU is an underdog, and they've never been a huge underdog.

He's put a lot of players into the NFL, but given the talent at LSU, anything else would be surprising. Given the amount of talented players coming out of the program, where are the SEC or national titles in recent years? If I take a Ferrari 488 GTB to the track and run all over the Mustangs, Chargers, and Camaros, does that make me a great driver? No, it just means I have a car that anyone could beat those other cars with. See what I do against Lambos, Porsche's, McLarens and other Ferraris and then you'll have an idea of whether I'm a good driver or not.

In other words, over the past 4 years, Miles has won with talent, not coaching. Any decent coach could do what he's done with that much talent. He's failed to get the talent he has to dominate anyone other than over-matched teams and win titles. He beats the weak teams, struggles against good teams, and gets obliterated against more talented teams. His coaching has been mediocre at best since the 2011 season, and he's shown no sign of being able to right the ship and do anything more than that.

LA has always been a talent rich state but somehow through over 100 years of football history their record isn't as good as Alabama's is it?

Interesting you mentioned various car brands but you didn't mention how Miles compares with other "drivers" who also drove the LSU brand. Actually Miles has the highest winning percentage of ALL LSU coaches that have been there for more than two seasons. Only Charlie McClendon has more wins, about 2 dozen more in 5 or 6 more years there.



Any decent coach? Really? So shouldn't a genius like Saban have won about 90% of this games at LSU given the talent and the his strategic advantage?

Miles has a .775 record at LSU, better than Saban's .750 record at Baton Rouge.

While Saban was at LSU he was 4-1 against Bama while Miles is only 6-5.

Of course it would be fair to note that Saban coached against such Bama Legends as DuBose 1-0, Franchione 1-1, and who else Price, no, Shula 2-0. Saban did pretty good coaching against Bama when chumps walked the sidelines.

It would also be fair to note that Miles coached against Bama when Saban walked the sidelines. And it would be worth noting as "weak" teams were emphaized by you that Miles never lost to hapless UAB like Saban did. Remind me, when did UAB become one of the "more talented teams"?

Your hyperbole in this thread is embarrassing and blatantly incorrect.

 

[texbender]

Texas State.

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That, right....the Bobcats in San Marcos.

 

[texbender]

Larry Coker is at UTSA, if I'm not mistaken.

10-4, was confusing him with Franchione up the road at Texas State. Far cry for both these guys previous stops.

 

[texbender]

Hawaii first job off the board, Nick Rolovich hired from Nevada

What a great job, and nice move from Reno to Honolulu. Seems like that would be a coveted stop for some of the fallen big timers...kick back in the islands, build a decent program, and not have too much to lose.

 

[Domina Nostra]

The more I think about it, the less sense it makes to me to part ways with Coach Strong. I think Texas will have a really hard time attracting the best coaches, just like last time. What exactly has changed from 2 years ago? Losing a bad AD? Strong purging the bad characters from the locker room? It just doesn't make sense to me.

Do you have an idea of who Texas is supposed to target for candidates?

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Chip Kelly would perhaps be the most interesting... They got embarrassed by Saban last time around, apparently getting rebuffed after offering something close to $10M! They believe that Mack Brown undermined the transition, and Saban wanted no part in an interal fight.

Texas high school football has turned into perfect breeding ground for the Oregon offense.

Rumors that Herman took his name out of consideration for the S. Carolina job because he is interested in the Texas job.

That seems most likely.

Charlie Strong needs to go to a school where they will hand over the whole program to him, not a place with a culture of endless boosters and 50 year-old traditions. He's be a great fit at a lot of the mid or low tier Power 5 programs.

I think Miami would actually be a good fit for him right now. He recruits S. FLorida with the best of them, they're desperate, and he brings discipline.

 

[texbender]

Seems as though Mack Brown could be available for the right job. Maybe somewhere in the ACC or SEC?

 

[zelezo vlk]

Chip Kelly would be interesting...

I thought that Chip Kelly hated all the booster stuff. If he's willing to do all the schmoozing then he'd be good. If not, then it ain't happening.

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[T Town Tommy]

The original topic was full disclosure and I pointing out how smart, Smart was for knowing his local history something Franchione was either negligent about or just too trusting. You've spun booster, no big deal, recruits, etc while dodging that for no big deal Bama self imposed 15 scholarship reductions while neglecting to tell the incoming coach and heads rolled in Tuscaloosa.

Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it. Smart man that Smart,. Knows his history first hand. Spin on.

Geez BGIF. Bama did not know the extent of what the NCAA was going to do till late 2001. Mal Moore had went to the COI and they basically told him they were going to lower the boom. A full week before that trip, Franchione had contacted Kansas about their recent job opening. Then, less than a month later, he backdoor contacts who for their job opening? Yep... Notre Dame. The Irish eventually hire who? G. O'Leary. A couple of months later after that the NCAA rules on Bama.

Neither Bama nor Franchione knew what the NCAA was going to do until the Nov 2001 trip Moore made. Was Bama honest with Franchione the year and a half before then? Hard to say but the general consensus was that nobody thought the NCAA was going to hammer Bama like they did. Franchione then does his "stay committed" talk, coaches the next season, and then contacts A&M about their job. The job he eventually takes.

While our history lesson doesn't matter today, our two games today do. Good luck to your Irish and I am gearing up for the quick trip to Auburn. May we both be happy by the end of the day.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Any decent coach? Really? So shouldn't a genius like Saban have won about 90% of this games at LSU given the talent and the his strategic advantage?

Miles has a .775 record at LSU, better than Saban's .750 record at Baton Rouge.

While Saban was at LSU he was 4-1 against Bama while Miles is only 6-5.

Of course it would be fair to note that Saban coached against such Bama Legends as DuBose 1-0, Franchione 1-1, and who else Price, no, Shula 2-0. Saban did pretty good coaching against Bama when chumps walked the sidelines.

It would also be fair to note that Miles coached against Bama when Saban walked the sidelines. And it would be worth noting as "weak" teams were emphaized by you that Miles never lost to hapless UAB like Saban did. Remind me, when did UAB become one of the "more talented teams"?

Your hyperbole in this thread is embarrassing and blatantly incorrect.

To be fair BGIF... Saban took over an LSU program that was in pitiful shape and led them to a national title in four years. When Les took over, LSU's program was already built. It's embarrassing and blatantly incorrect to think otherwise.

 

[Domina Nostra]

I thought that Chip Kelly hated all the booster stuff. If he's willing to do all the schmoozing then he'd be good. If not, then it ain't happening.

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You're exactly right. The Oregon/Maryland jobs (where your real boss is one shoe executive) maybe the better fit for him.

 

[Domina Nostra]

Chip usually fields a middling to poor defense. We recruit well on defense and we will always be in those games, IMO. His Oregon teams couldn't get past rugged smash mouth teams like Stanford and always seemed to drop one every season that they shouldn't. Carol always had a complete team -- offense and defense. ... Both performing at a very high level.

Also, USC and Alabama like to present themselves as the most direct step to the NFL. I think playing that style of ball would clash with their culture, and too many schools have made that mistake lately.

 

[NDohio]

I'm terrified of chip kelly getting the USC job. If he does we better savor this years win because he may dominate us like Carroll did.

I'm not. Oregon was always a paper tiger. We would dominate the line of scrimmage against his teams on a consistent basis. His brand of football is being exposed in the NFL. I would actually be OK with him going to USC.

 

[ThePiombino]

I'm not. Oregon was always a paper tiger. We would dominate the line of scrimmage against his teams on a consistent basis. His brand of football is being exposed in the NFL. I would actually be OK with him going to USC.

Oregon would have boat raced us each of the 5 seasons prior to this one. That was with less talent than SC would bring in on an off year. That said, we have definitely improved our program to the point that I trust us to be competitive against anyone other than Bama. HOWEVER, Chip Kelly with SC's recruiting resources? Don't like those odds.

 

[ThePiombino]

Seems as though Mack Brown could be available for the right job. Maybe somewhere in the ACC or SEC?

Would it be absurd to think he would be interested in the Houston gig should there be an opening?

 

[texbender]

Would it be absurd to think he would be interested in the Houston gig should there be an opening?

Have actually heard that rumor floating around down here. Not a bad gig really...program on the rise, rich recruiting ground, and talk of joining Big 12 when they decide to expand. Remember, Houston was part of the SWC before it blew up.

 

[Bishop2b5]

BGIF, as TTT pointed out, Saban took over a program that was in the toilet and rebuilt it into a powerhouse. Miles inherited a program already loaded with NFL talent and sitting near the top of the CFB world. A few years ago I thought Miles was one of the 3 or 4 best coaches in the country, but what he's done the past 4 years is mediocre at best, especially given how much talent he's had to work with. It's not just going 0-5 against Bama. It's struggling to just go .500 against the second tier SEC programs who all have lesser talent to work with than he does. LSU fans love what he did for them years ago, but they're frustrated with his results over the past 4 years. They seem to feel that his best days are behind him and as long as he's there, they'll never be anything more than a 9-4 or 10-3 team again.

 

[NDbrbkny]

Curtis Johnson of tulane fired

 

[NDbrbkny]

Add tulane to this list curtis johnson fired

 

[scUM Hater]

Bill Cubit 2 year deal with Illinois. Big Ten just keeps getting weaker

 

[NDbrbkny]

Bill Cubit 2 year deal with Illinois. Big Ten just keeps getting weaker

So now we can remove illinois too from up top, also replacing hawaii too with tulane
regarding LSU how do you take this statement from board of supervisors member Stanley Jacobs?
“There has been much speculation that Les Miles is coaching his last game tonight,” Jacobs said to Gannett Louisiana. “For that to happen, there would have had to have been a recommendation to the Board of Supervisors. No recommendation has been made. He is our coach, and I wish him well.”
LSU Board of Supervisors member: Les Miles 'is our coach. I wish him well'

EDIT: Illinois hire confirmed per Illinois athletics
Illinois Athletics - Cubit Agrees to 2-Year Contract as Illinois Head Football Coach

 

[gkIrish]

SIAP https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/670684954913828866

 

[TheChosen1]

@McMurphyESPN: Justin Fuente will be new coach at Virginia Tech. Bud Foster & Shane Beamer will remain on Hokies' staff, source told @espn

 

[drayer54]

I lost faith in Miles after he lost to a bowl game to a corn field team last year.

 

[NDbrbkny]

take joe alleva's statement for how you see fit
"LSU AD Joe Alleva: Les Miles "is our football coach and will continue to be our football coach." "

 

[NDbrbkny]

take joe alleva's statement for how you see fit
"LSU AD Joe Alleva: Les Miles "is our football coach and will continue to be our football coach." "

 

[IrishinSyria]

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Looks like the students and players may have saved his job, and LSU from making a dumb ass decision.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'd laugh my ass off if Hairball left to coach the Colts, and Les said FU and took the scUM job.

 

[bkess8]

https://twitter.com/Mark_Schlabach/status/671014838366248960

Georgia has fired Mark Richt