[NFL] vBook: Colts vs Patriots (Deflategate)

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Rhode Irish said:
There is this :

For Roger Goodell, it should be Roger and out on Deflategate


But the same idiot also wrote all of these:

New England Patriots QB Tom Brady Deflategate suspension Ian O'Connor
Tom Brady sacked like never before by Deflategate findings
Tom Brady's tale doesn't hold weight
Tom Brady should skip appeal of Deflategate penalty, tell truth now

Actually, after spending 30 seconds looking this stuff up, I have to ask: how does this Ian O'Connor still have a job?

As pointed out in the PFT article I quoted above, the NFL has never accounted for the fact that science indicates that the balls weren't actually tampered with, and according to this the media has never reckoned with this, either. And if YJ is an example, neither have many fans. So until they all find Jesus on this, I will keep agitating about it.
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Ya, this guy is an idiot. He called it the "perfect punishment" a few short months ago.

He also wrote this:

He should do the right thing here and admit that he knowingly broke the rules, that he was chin strap-deep in the illegal deflation of game balls, and that he deserves a four-game suspension that was always a fitting penalty for his cheating and refusal to cooperate with Ted Wells.
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Also, 3 turnovers now in 6 games, which not surprisingly leads the league. 1 of which was a gift INT when a WR with a broken finger bobbled the ball to the DB for an INT. They seem to be turning it over left and right with these regulation footballs...
 
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My youngest had his Halloween parade at school today. One kid dressed up as Brady. And he carried a deflated football.
 
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Are Goodell and Irsay buddies? That seems to be the decider between real NFL punishment and a circus faux punishment...
 
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ACamp1900 said:
Are Goodell and Irsay buddies? That seems to be the decider between real NFL punishment and a circus faux punishment...
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I like that nice little jab you added there. Though it did turn into a circus, the punishment for an equipment infraction was unprecedented. 1 million dollars and two draft picks, one being a first rounder, seems pretty severe to me. Especially when you consider that the Colts got 0 punishment with 3/4 balls being under inflated. Just saying...
 
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Third-party brief in Brady case focuses on “integrity of sport” | ProFootballTalk


As #DelfateGate lingers, and as more legitimate questions are raised regarding the flaws in the NFL’s case against Brady and the Patriots, it’s becoming more clear that the investigation has done far more damage to the league than whatever it was that the Patriots were or weren’t doing. Nearly a year later, we still don’t know what the Patriots were doing. But we definitely know that the NFL has failed to make a persuasive case that the Patriots were doing something wrong.
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Still waiting on the NFL to release their PSI findings. After all, they have been testing footballs at halftime this entire season.
 
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Only because Pats fans have this deep insecurity complex that compels them to reaffirm on a regular basis.
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It's pretty easy to see why.

Pats fans went 9 years without winning a Super Bowl. I know that makes me sound like a whiny, spoiled fan but after winning 3 in 4 years from 2001-2004, there was enough easy success where going nearly a decade without winning (while your once-in-a-lifetime HOF qb/coach combo inch towards retirement) was pretty torturous. Add up the facts that there were penalties from Spygate, two excruciating Super Bowl losses, three AFC Champ losses, a lost year with Brady injured, and a 14-2 season wasted by an inexplicable Divisional Round loss, and you have a collection of fans who are close to resigned to the idea that their team will never win another Super Bowl before Brady/Belichick retire. And that's a team that had seen pretty much 0 success before those two arrived.

Then to finally win one and have to deal with Deflategate allegations (which only look more ridiculous now that Brady is having one of his best seasons--he seems to be doing fine with regulation PSI balls...wonder why Rodgers/Luck aren't?) that proved to be a story fueled by false reporting was pretty hard to deal with. You can't expect Pats fans to roll over and be quiet when their accomplishments are called into question.
 
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irishfan said:
It's pretty easy to see why.

Pats fans went 9 years without winning a Super Bowl. I know that makes me sound like a whiny, spoiled fan but after winning 3 in 4 years from 2001-2004, there was enough easy success where going nearly a decade without winning (while your once-in-a-lifetime HOF qb/coach combo inch towards retirement) was pretty torturous. Add up the facts that there were penalties from Spygate, two excruciating Super Bowl losses, three AFC Champ losses, a lost year with Brady injured, and a 14-2 season wasted by an inexplicable Divisional Round loss, and you have a collection of fans who are close to resigned to the idea that their team will never win another Super Bowl before Brady/Belichick retire. And that's a team that had seen pretty much 0 success before those two arrived.

Then to finally win one and have to deal with Deflategate allegations (which only look more ridiculous now that Brady is having one of his best seasons--he seems to be doing fine with regulation PSI balls...wonder why Rodgers/Luck aren't?) that proved to be a story fueled by false reporting was pretty hard to deal with. You can't expect Pats fans to roll over and be quiet when their accomplishments are called into question.
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Except it was a Pats fan that brought this up again.
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Not much to brag about with the Pats the last few weeks and we're almost the 1-year anniversary of this great event, so...

After Deflategate, Patriots still lead NFL with fewest fumbles | The MMQB with Peter King

So what happened in 2015?
• The Patriots had the fewest fumbles of any NFL offense.
• The Patriots had the best fumble rate of any NFL offense.
• The Patriots had one of their best fumble rates of the past decade.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tom Brady, with properly inflated & closely monitored footballs: 1st in NFL in touchdowns, 3rd in yards, 4th in rating, 1st in TD/INT ratio.</p>— Michael Hurley (@michaelFhurley) <a href="https://twitter.com/michaelFhurley/status/684128852273172480">January 4, 2016</a></blockquote>
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irishfan said:
Not much to brag about with the Pats the last few weeks and we're almost the 1-year anniversary of this great event, so...

After Deflategate, Patriots still lead NFL with fewest fumbles | The MMQB with Peter King



<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tom Brady, with properly inflated & closely monitored footballs: 1st in NFL in touchdowns, 3rd in yards, 4th in rating, 1st in TD/INT ratio.</p>— Michael Hurley (@michaelFhurley) <a href="https://twitter.com/michaelFhurley/status/684128852273172480">January 4, 2016</a></blockquote>
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I would respond but my headset has the local Boston radio station coming through it so I could not hear you.

On a serious note, the Pats seem to have an uphill climb this postseason with all their injuries. And Brady looked pretty bad limping off the field Sunday. If they make it back to the Super Bowl this may very well be BB's best coaching job ever.
 
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T Town Tommy said:
I would respond but my headset has the local Boston radio station coming through it so I could not hear you.

On a serious note, the Pats seem to have an uphill climb this postseason with all their injuries. And Brady looked pretty bad limping off the field Sunday. If they make it back to the Super Bowl this may very well be BB's best coaching job ever.
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It's pretty bad right now. They are very pedestrian offensively without Edelman given their crappy OL, and I don't see him coming back close to 100% with his injury. Teams can't afford to blitz them when Edelman is healthy, but right now no defenses are afraid of this offense. Defensively, they're great when healthy, but just can't seem to avoid the injury bug as a team this year. Brady and Malcolm Butler are the only 2 players who have started every game this season, and they only had about 36 guys who were legitimately healthy enough to play week 17.

I think they can 100% beat the Texans and the Dalton-less Bengals. I think they'd take the Chiefs in a close one. Probably 50/50 against Denver or Pittsburgh. I didn't think anyone could touch them in the AFC last season....this year it looks like it's going to be a huge struggle really barring Edelman completely returning to form and having everyone else who is currently injured be at least able to play a somewhat high level.
 
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You've got to be shitting me. So happy the 1st rounder is gone.

Roger Goodell: No PSI violations in 2015 spot checks; questions linger - New England Patriots Blog- ESPN

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell was a guest on the "Rich Eisen Show" on Tuesday from Super Bowl 50, and as part of the interview, he was asked two questions as it relates to air pressure in footballs.

On if the NFL conducted a scientific test to measure footballs and PSI throughout this season: "No, Rich, what the league did this year was what we do with a lot of rules and policies designed to protect the integrity of the game, and that's to create a deterrent effect. We do spot checks to prevent and make sure the clubs understand that we're watching these issues. It wasn't a research study. They simply were spot checks. There were no violations this year. We're pleased that we haven't had any violations, and we continue the work, obviously, to consistently and importantly enforce the integrity of the game and the rules that are designed to protect it."

On if he has had any contact with Tom Brady: "My first obligation, as you know Rich, is to uphold the integrity of the game. That's to uphold the rules of the game and make sure all 32 teams are operating under the same rules, all players are operating under the same rules, and you do that on a consistent basis. I have great admiration for Tom. I know him personally. Obviously I respect his playing ability; he's an extraordinary player, a sure Hall of Famer and I have nothing but admiration for him. But I have to make sure that we continue to do the things that are necessary to protect the integrity of the game, and I will do that without compromise."

Goodell's answers still leave several important questions unanswered, which perhaps he'll be asked later in the week if members of the Boston media are given a chance by NFL staffers to ask him during his annual "state of the NFL" address.

For example: What are the exact measurements? How did the measurements vary from cold-weather games to warm-weather games? Will the league be sharing that data? Specifically, what did the league learn about the Ideal Gas Law as it relates to air pressure? What did the spot checks entail?
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">So NFL ordered spot checks, testing before, during and after games, and logging of PSIs, but then tossed the data after the games. Got it</p>— Ben Volin (@BenVolin) <a href="https://twitter.com/BenVolin/status/694625093574504448">February 2, 2016</a></blockquote>
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Nailed it

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There is no way that the results of the PSI testing will be released to the public if they are helpful to the Patriots, and there is almost no way that the tests will be conducted in a way that could possibly give results helpful to the Patriots. They are testing to see if anyone else broke the rules, not to see what impact weather and the ideal gas law could have on the footballs. Which means they will "randomly" only test at domes or warm weather stadiums and will likely let the balls sit around in the room where they will be tested for an hour or so after games, just so at the end of this they can say "we did a season of randomized testing, and it turns out no ball we tested experienced a change in pressure similar to what occurred during last year's AFC Championship Game." They will fail to disclose where and when and how the tests were performed, there will not be a scientist overseeing the testing and they will not get a reputable scientist to endorse their findings. Calling it.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">The NFL was collecting data on deflate-gate. Then suddenly they weren't. Of course. <a href="https://t.co/aNyqn5xjVs">https://t.co/aNyqn5xjVs</a></p>— Dan Wetzel (@DanWetzel) <a href="https://twitter.com/DanWetzel/status/694730761107173377">February 3, 2016</a></blockquote>
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What remains is this most likely scenario: that NFL officials, completely unaware of Ideal Gas Law, believed that any New England football that measured below the minimum of 12.5 psi in the AFC title game was proof of orchestrated tampering. Anything in the 11s was proof of a massive conspiracy. In fact it was all a natural act.

Ignorant of science and overwhelmed by confirmation bias, the NFL embarked on an effort to nail the Patriots. Then, via leaks to favored reporters who were as prejudicial as they were false, the league found itself too far out on the limb to climb back as facts came in and theories fell apart.

All it could do is point to random text exchanges and nicknames, and hope the public was too naïve to question it, too scientifically ignorant to comprehend it or too bored to still care.

Well, there were also those howls about destroyed evidence, because we know destroyed evidence is something that Roger Goodell's NFL must absolutely take a stand against. The NFL just can't tolerate that type of behavior.
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Been pretty apparent since May, but this all but confirms it. Brady will still be labeled a "cheater" by many which is unfortunate. I wish he could sue the league for defamation, but it seems like it would be hard to prove.
 
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