[NFL] vBook: Colts vs Patriots (Deflategate)

[ACamp1900]

Actually it is a joke. But as far as Dalton falling to mediocrity, I don't see that happening this year. Assuming his help stays healthy of course.

Two things:

1.) Playoffs... the red headed struggle is real.

2.) Fvk Cinncy and the cheaters from boston.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Two things:

1.) Playoffs... the red headed struggle is real.

2.) Fvk Cinncy and the cheaters from boston.

He definitely struggles in the playoffs. But when his help is healthy. He's a top 5 QB. No question.

 

[ACamp1900]

He definitely struggles in the playoffs. But when his help is healthy. He's a top 5 QB. No question.

Not in that uniform he's not........

 

[irishfan]

Timely article considering these two teams are playing this week. There is no way the NFL will release these findings. Just a little excerpt below.

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/here-s...on-football-deflation-analysis-211524632.html

The good news is the NFL may be able to clear this up. For the first time in its history, the league has begun testing, with supposedly much more exacting standards and calibrated gauges, football inflation levels pregame, postgame and even in select contests, at halftime. This should allow for an understanding on how weather and game conditions affect psi levels.

We might find out that footballs don't deflate much at all, which would suggest human involvement and be crushing for the Patriots. We might find out that they deflate more than anyone predicted, which would almost assuredly exonerate the Patriots and humiliate Goodell.

Unfortunately, no one is 100 percent certain if, or at least how and when, the public will find out what the NFL finds out.

"I don't know," Goodell said last week at the owners meetings when asked if the league would ever release the results.

On Monday, NFL spokesman Greg Aiello added context by suggesting the league hasn't decided what it will do with the results.

"We simply haven't focused yet on how the information will be distributed," Aiello told Yahoo Sports.

That the NFL should maintain all of its findings and then release the season-long data is the one truth that should be self-evident no matter where you stand on this story – guilty, innocent or bored to tears.

Also, I feel obligated to include this part as well:

(Bolstering – but not conclusively proving – the Patriots case is Brady's play since halftime of the AFC title game, when he presumably has been competing with properly inflated balls. In 5½ games he's completed 73.7 percent of his passes for 1,846 yards, with 17 touchdowns and just two picks. If nothing else, it helps shows how stupid this all was.)

 

[Rhode Irish]

There is no way that the results of the PSI testing will be released to the public if they are helpful to the Patriots, and there is almost no way that the tests will be conducted in a way that could possibly give results helpful to the Patriots. They are testing to see if anyone else broke the rules, not to see what impact weather and the ideal gas law could have on the footballs. Which means they will "randomly" only test at domes or warm weather stadiums and will likely let the balls sit around in the room where they will be tested for an hour or so after games, just so at the end of this they can say "we did a season of randomized testing, and it turns out no ball we tested experienced a change in pressure similar to what occurred during last year's AFC Championship Game." They will fail to disclose where and when and how the tests were performed, there will not be a scientist overseeing the testing and they will not get a reputable scientist to endorse their findings. Calling it.

 

[NDRock]

I wonder if the Colts will get any new rules passed in the offseason after their beating on Sunday. I can see Irsay trying to make it illegal to pass to the TE after Gronk puts it to them. I know there are a lot of Colts fans on this board but to a neutral party (me) they seem like the whiniest team (management) out there. Every time I see an illegal contact penalty called I think of Bill Polian.

 

[KPENN]

Pats are good, colts are not. This is gonna be a slaughter.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Pats are cheatera, colts are not. This is gonna be a slaughter.

FIFY

 

[TomHaverford]

I wonder if the Colts will get any new rules passed in the offseason after their beating on Sunday. I can see Irsay trying to make it illegal to pass to the TE after Gronk puts it to them. I know there are a lot of Colts fans on this board but to a neutral party (me) they seem like the whiniest team (management) out there. Every time I see an illegal contact penalty called I think of Bill Polian.

Glad someone else besides me said it.

Agree 100%. Irsay, Manning, and Polian crying like little bitches to the rules committee turned the game into the Arena League it is today where mediocre QB's like Matt Stafford can throw for 5,000 yards every year.

I hate the Colts with a passion and their own is a low life drug addict who was born with a silver spoon up his ass.

 

[irishfan]

FIFY

Just be happy Detroit doesn't have to play New England again this year

 

[dshans]

I had hoped that this whole matter had become so infinitesimally small in my rearview mirror that it was essentially invisible.

Rules is rules. Some are more visible, apparent and verifiable than others. Relevance is another matter.

By way of example: a swimming teammate in high school was disqualified in a race when he lost his suit in the last lap of a 16 lap race.
Though he stroked on through the embarrassment, the ruling was that he had "an unfair advantage" since his "drag" was reduced by the absence of a minuscule Speedo.



It was a good thing for all in attendance that it was the 400 yard freestyle rather than the 400 yard backstroke.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Just be happy Detroit doesn't have to play New England again this year

We couldn't beat Cleavland. Lol
We have a loss to Oakland coming soon.
I did draft Brady for my fantasy team. If you can't beat em, join em.

 

[wizards8507]

I did draft Brady for my fantasy team. If you can't beat em, join em.

Trade for Gronk. Gronk and Brady on the same team is fantasy euphoria. You'll be dressing in colonial reenactment garb and singing "Shipping Up to Boston" by Thanksgiving.

 

[Irish Insanity]

Trade for Gronk. Gronk and Brady on the same team is fantasy euphoria. You'll be dressing in colonial reenactment garb and singing "Shipping Up to Boston" by Thanksgiving.

I stole Eifert in the later rounds for a positive locker room presence. I'm hoping 1 bad apple doesn't ruin the team.

 

[Irish#1]

I wonder if the Colts will get any new rules passed in the offseason after their beating on Sunday. I can see Irsay trying to make it illegal to pass to the TE after Gronk puts it to them. I know there are a lot of Colts fans on this board but to a neutral party (me) they seem like the whiniest team (management) out there. Every time I see an illegal contact penalty called I think of Bill Polian.

Glad someone else besides me said it.

Agree 100%. Irsay, Manning, and Polian crying like little bitches to the rules committee turned the game into the Arena League it is today where mediocre QB's like Matt Stafford can throw for 5,000 yards every year.

I hate the Colts with a passion and their own is a low life drug addict who was born with a silver spoon up his ass.

As a Colts fan, let me clarify a few things. The recent deflategate started with the Ravens, not the Colts. The Ravens notified the league and the Colts who then gave the game ball to the league.

As far as Polian, most Colt fans didn't care for Polian either. He's a condescending pompous ass who believes his football intellect is far superior to others. He went to the NFL to get the holding and grabbing enforced. Anyone who saw the playoff game that set this off has to acknowledge that it was over the top. Even Rodney Harrison has acknowledged they were constantly holding during the game. Give BB credit for using this tactic, but give Polian credit for getting this changed to his advantage.

Irsay may have been born with a silver spoon up his ass, but he is one of the best owners in the league. He is no where near what his father was. He started with the team gathering up the players laundry and washing it. Pretty much worked in every department before his dad promoted him. Irsay donates a ton of money to different causes in Indy. No doubt the man has some demons that he needs to take care of, but he's never been a whiner. TommyH, I feel sorry for you.

 

[wizards8507]

As a Colts fan, let me clarify a few things. The recent deflategate started with the Ravens, not the Colts. The Ravens notified the league and the Colts who then gave the game ball to the league.

Yeah the Colts certainly aren't the only butthurt team in the league. The Ravens, Steelers, and Rex Ryan in all his forms are up there too.

The Patriots' trick play that got John Harbaugh mad - SBNation.com

NFL clears Patriots of any wrong doing with Steelers headset issues Thursday night - Behind the Steel Curtain

Buffalo Bills' Rex Ryan: Patriots 'clearly trying to embarrass us' - Buffalo Bills Blog - ESPN

 

[ACamp1900]

Deflate gate was actually started by the Patriots.... Go figure.

 

[irishfan]

As a Colts fan, let me clarify a few things. The recent deflategate started with the Ravens, not the Colts. The Ravens notified the league and the Colts who then gave the game ball to the league.

As far as Polian, most Colt fans didn't care for Polian either. He's a condescending pompous ass who believes his football intellect is far superior to others. He went to the NFL to get the holding and grabbing enforced. Anyone who saw the playoff game that set this off has to acknowledge that it was over the top. Even Rodney Harrison has acknowledged they were constantly holding during the game. Give BB credit for using this tactic, but give Polian credit for getting this changed to his advantage.

Irsay may have been born with a silver spoon up his ass, but he is one of the best owners in the league. He is no where near what his father was. He started with the team gathering up the players laundry and washing it. Pretty much worked in every department before his dad promoted him. Irsay donates a ton of money to different causes in Indy. No doubt the man has some demons that he needs to take care of, but he's never been a whiner. TommyH, I feel sorry for you.

Source? Everything I've read says the Ravens were concerned about kicking balls being properly rotated into the game (which is actually a league issue not a team one). They notified the Colts about this. The Colts were the ones who went to the league about the Patriots' game balls.

Colts GM Ryan Grigson sent email to NFL with concerns about Patriots - Indianapolis Colts Blog - ESPN

 

[irishfan]

As a Colts fan, let me clarify a few things. The recent deflategate started with the Ravens, not the Colts. The Ravens notified the league and the Colts who then gave the game ball to the league.

As far as Polian, most Colt fans didn't care for Polian either. He's a condescending pompous ass who believes his football intellect is far superior to others. He went to the NFL to get the holding and grabbing enforced. Anyone who saw the playoff game that set this off has to acknowledge that it was over the top. Even Rodney Harrison has acknowledged they were constantly holding during the game. Give BB credit for using this tactic, but give Polian credit for getting this changed to his advantage.

Irsay may have been born with a silver spoon up his ass, but he is one of the best owners in the league. He is no where near what his father was. He started with the team gathering up the players laundry and washing it. Pretty much worked in every department before his dad promoted him. Irsay donates a ton of money to different causes in Indy. No doubt the man has some demons that he needs to take care of, but he's never been a whiner. TommyH, I feel sorry for you.

NFL Week 6: Deflategate rematch, how to stop Tom Brady - NFL - SI.com

Ah, right. I have tried to force most details of this story out of my brain, but here we go. Thank you for clarifying how this was not caused by the Colts.

It’s difficult to imagine Brady not having a little bit extra for these Colts. It was one thing for them to alert the league before the AFC Championship Game to keep an eye on the footballs because it was known around the NFL the Patriots like to take some air out of the balls. Teams routinely alert the league office to different shenanigans prior to or after games. It was quite a different situation when Colts equipment personnel used a pressure gauge on the sideline to measure a Patriots ball, then ratted out New England to a game official and other NFL personnel. Then things really went off a cliff when someone, in direct violation of league protocols, leaked word to Indianapolis columnist Bob Kravitz that the league was looking into the matter.

And that is how the entire saga was born. Right on the Colts’ sideline.

 

[Irish#1]

(Bolstering – but not conclusively proving – the Patriots case is Brady's play since halftime of the AFC title game, when he presumably has been competing with properly inflated balls. In 5½ games he's completed 73.7 percent of his passes for 1,846 yards, with 17 touchdowns and just two picks. If nothing else, it helps shows how Brady should have never taken any air out of the balls)

FIFY

 

[irishfan]

FIFY

I must thank you, as a Colts fan, for clarifying that as well.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Pats are good, colts are not. This is gonna be a slaughter.

I guess this is where I am at. I don't really understand why there is any hype at all for this game. This is one of the three worst colts teams fielded in the 2000s, and the patsies are excellent. They literally have zero chance of making this a competitive game, and most rational colts fans know and accept this. If anything, the pressure is on the pats to put the 50+ up that their fans have promised. That's the only real drama.

 

[Irish YJ]

Mike and Mike show.... Golic wearing Colts gear, all the stuff on their set is Colts stuff.

 

[Irish#1]

I must thank you, as a Colts fan, for clarifying that as well.

My pleasure. :smilewink

 

[Irish#1]

I guess this is where I am at. I don't really understand why there is any hype at all for this game. This is one of the three worst colts teams fielded in the 2000s, and the patsies are excellent. They literally have zero chance of making this a competitive game, and most rational colts fans know and accept this. If anything, the pressure is on the pats to put the 50+ up that their fans have promised. That's the only real drama.

You're right. I don't expect a win, especially with Luck hurt. Even if he plays he won't be 100%. Having said that, this game has all of the ingredients for one of those, "WTF just happened?" games. Pats undefeated coming off a big win over the Jerry Jones circus, Colts QB hurting, team hasn't played to potential, questions looming about Pagano and somehow the Colts manage to win.

 

[wizards8507]

Having said that, this game has all of the ingredients for one of those, "WTF just happened?" games. Pats undefeated coming off a big win over the Jerry Jones circus, Colts QB hurting, team hasn't played to potential, questions looming about Pagano and somehow the Colts manage to win.

I don't really understand why there is any hype at all for this game.

Because it's a prime-time game so hype must be manufactured.

 

[yankeeND]

You're right. I don't expect a win, especially with Luck hurt. Even if he plays he won't be 100%. Having said that, this game has all of the ingredients for one of those, "WTF just happened?" games. Pats undefeated coming off a big win over the Jerry Jones circus, Colts QB hurting, team hasn't played to potential, questions looming about Pagano and somehow the Colts manage to win.

I agree brother, you will be saying "wtf" after the game, but it won't be because the Colts win lol.

 

[TomHaverford]

Colts fans on reddit, pretty hilarious actually...the fans seem to know they are going to get jail sexed by the Pats.

most hilarious line from one of those fans... “Dion Lewis is going to skull fuck us, it is going to be exhausting”

 

[wizards8507]

most hilarious line from one of those fans... “Dion Lewis is going to skull fuck us, it is going to be exhausting”

How Patriots would it be to trade for Jonas Gray, have him go off for 220 and 3, then cut him the next day?

 

[gkIrish]

I think I'd bet everything in my bank account (granted, not that much) that the Patriots cover 7.5.