Daily Fantasy Sports

[IrishinTN]

You can do invite only, but everyone who wants to be in it has to give their user id and we need to know how many before we can even set it up, so it can be tricky.

I use the app all the time.

 

[Irish Insanity]

You can do invite only, but everyone who wants to be in it has to give their user id and we need to know how many before we can even set it up, so it can be tricky.

I use the app all the time.

I'd be in if anyone ever put one together. This year is my first venture in to football on fanduel. Any pointers?

As far as the app, I couldn't find it last year. I'll have to give it a shot.

 

[IrishinTN]

The best pointers are to not only focus on major conference games. Last year I had the best luck when I used mid-conference guys with good matchups. The Marshalls/Mid-Tennessee/Western KY type progams who can blow it out against poor competition are a safe bet, plus they leave their players on the field a long time. I rarely go top QB. You can always find a resonable to cheap QB who gives you decent numbers. Then spend on RB with a good matchup.

Obviously all of these sites make it hard to have more than one stud on your team, so you have to know the second and third WR's who will be cheap and good plays. Guys like Sperbeck in Boise and possibly Devonte Neal could be steals. Of course it is early...

Do research if possible to make sure A) your guys are starting and not splitting time and B) they have good matchups. Once the season gets going ESPN is a good research for team defense against pass/rush to know where opponents rank.

 

[Southside Sully]

Has anyone done both Fan Duel and Draft Kings? I'm thinking about signing up for one or the other.

I joined Draft Kings the other day. I have done a couple of the MLB Challenges. Does anyone know why some of the players don't show up to draft for your team, even if they are active in the teams lineup for that day? That has been boggling to me.

 

[IrishinTN]

I joined Draft Kings the other day. I have done a couple of the MLB Challenges. Does anyone know why some of the players don't show up to draft for your team, even if they are active in the teams lineup for that day? That has been boggling to me.

Can you give an example?

 

[IrishinTN]

So, anyone have any luck last week? I won a couple 50/50's, and that's it. Pretty pathetic weekend. This weekend actually looks easier though.

 

[Jackalope1977]

Has anyone done both Fan Duel and Draft Kings? I'm thinking about signing up for one or the other.

Like it's been stated before it really just comes down to preference. GK hit that on the head. I like DK better. My brother likes Fanduel. Screw the bonus and try both. Or better yet make accounts on both and just play free contests until you see which one you prefer. If most people here play FD I would enter IE only contests on that site for smaller amounts (under 5 bucks probably.) Somebody open one for the weekend. Or I could. Let me know.

 

[bkess8]

So, anyone have any luck last week? I won a couple 50/50's, and that's it. Pretty pathetic weekend. This weekend actually looks easier though.

I was 0 for 2 on 50/50s, lost one on Thursday and one on Saturday. I will give it another go on Saturday!

 

[bkess8]

Just entered a $2 college football contest on FD, I like my lineup so I entered 5 times which means I'm going to lose!

 

[TheOneWhoKnocks]

Someone on draft kings refer me, for free entry into 10mill contest for both of us. Tvk121@live.com

Edit: Dunno who but someone did it. Thx

 

[Jackalope1977]

Someone on draft kings refer me, for free entry into 10mill contest for both of us. Tvk121@live.com

Edit: Dunno who but someone did it. Thx

It was me. Now lets win some bucks! And thank you.

 

[IrishinTN]

College went well this week like I felt it would. Won $85. The NFL, on the other hand...sheesh.

 

[Ndaccountant]

You Aren't Good Enough to Win Money Playing Daily Fantasy Football - Bloomberg Business

 

[bkess8]

Really having a tough time picking a line up for the early college games on FD. Any help out there? Anyone want to give me some insight on their picks?

 

[ND NYC]

for the lawyers....

legally, how is this fan duel/draft kings thing any different than betting on games (ie thru bookies); vegas sports book etc.

I know guys who run superbowl pools at bars who have gotten busted, small time bookies arrested for much less. also, is there a tax provision on winnings/losings on these sites?

 

[IrishinTN]

for the lawyers....

legally, how is this fan duel/draft kings thing any different than betting on games (ie thru bookies); vegas sports book etc.

I know guys who run superbowl pools at bars who have gotten busted, small time bookies arrested for much less. also, is there a tax provision on winnings/losings on these sites?

I know Vegas hates it and they are trying to get it all shut down. But its pretty big this year and I read Draft Kings advertising budget has matched McDonalds, so they may have a good fight.

As for it being gambling, it is probably a different kind of betting. Just not a lawyer to give the proper legal answer.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I know Vegas hates it and they are trying to get it all shut down. But its pretty big this year and I read Draft Kings advertising budget has matched McDonalds, so they may have a good fight.

As for it being gambling, it is probably a different kind of betting. Just not a lawyer to give the proper legal answer.

for the lawyers....

legally, how is this fan duel/draft kings thing any different than betting on games (ie thru bookies); vegas sports book etc.

I know guys who run superbowl pools at bars who have gotten busted, small time bookies arrested for much less. also, is there a tax provision on winnings/losings on these sites?

I'm no lawyer, just a FD user. But you play against another person, or group of people and the money you win is what they put in the pot. In Vegas aren't you actually betting against the book itself?

 

[wizards8507]

I'm no lawyer, just a FD user. But you play against another person, or group of people and the money you win is what they put in the pot. In Vegas aren't you actually betting against the book itself?

That's not it. The legal distinction is whether you're betting on teams versus whether you're betting on players. Betting on players exempts daily fantasy (and regular fantasy) from the Unlawful Internet Gambling Act of 2006.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_Internet_Gambling_Enforcement_Act

 

[woolybug25]

That's not it. The legal distinction is whether you're betting on teams versus whether you're betting on players. Betting on players exempts daily fantasy (and regular fantasy) from the Unlawful Internet Gambling Act of 2006.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_Internet_Gambling_Enforcement_Act

What's the difference between that and say... betting on boxing or MMA? Aren't you betting on "a player" in that as well?

 

[IrishinTN]

Really having a tough time picking a line up for the early college games on FD. Any help out there? Anyone want to give me some insight on their picks?

Well, I took Brandon Maybefield because, although he's expensive, they are playign Tulsa and he runs and throws, so you get double yardage with quarterbacks like that.

At running back I have Fournette who is going off and I think Auburn's defense is weak.
My other back is Joel Buagnon fom Northern Illinois for two reasons, although they are playing Ohio State, they run the ball a LOT and I don't see that changing. And if Ohio State gets up big, he will probably get garbage yards and td's later in the game when Ohio State's second string is in and they don't care any more.

At WR, I have Fuller becuase I don't think GT stops the pass and that is where Kizer will look all day, wouldn't you?
Keevan Lucas - putting up big numbers and Tulsa will need to pass the ball
Penny HArt, this week's diamond in the rough. Believe it or not Georgia State has been putting up huge passing numbers and Oregon has no great defense. Plus Georgia State will probably also need to pass to stay in the game.

For tight end, to fit those guys in, I went cheap with Jake Butt because he's at least shown some consistency so far.

Other players I considered:
qb - Brandon Doughty WKU, Indaian pass defense is 122nd in country
Tommy Armstrong, always gets his numbers because he runs and passes.
Justin Thomas, love my Irish but he is also still going to get his numbers.

RB - Samaje Perine and Ezekiel Elliot, both expensive playing weak defenses.
Terrell Newby, gets a lot of carries and receptions and Miami will give up yards.
Mark Walton, Miami puts up good numbers and NEbraska defense not stellar
Skov, Irish having trouble stopping the fullback on a triple option

WR - Sterling Shepard...Tulsa thing again
Braxton Miller, same Ohio State reasons as above
Keyarris Garrett, again, Tulsa needs to pass to hang in there. They pass a lot.
Tajee Sharpe, Temple are no giant killers.
Christian Kirk, top option for a Tex a&m offense playing a Nevada team.
Geronimo Allison, gets a lot of looks in the Illinois offense.
Marken Michel, cheap, gets his yards and is playing Temple.

TE - Man, just pick one with decent history who fits in your salary cap.

Hope it helps.

 

[wizards8507]

What's the difference between that and say... betting on boxing or MMA? Aren't you betting on "a player" in that as well?

I have no idea the legality of either of those. Closest I can think of is fantasy golf, which is definitely allowed.

One stipulation is that prizes have to be predetermined and can't fluctuate based on betting activity. Thus, anything with a moneyline or point spread is automatically out.

 

[IrishinTN]

What's the difference between that and say... betting on boxing or MMA? Aren't you betting on "a player" in that as well?

Actually, no, because even in Golf, MMA or NASCAR you still have to put a team of them together based on a salary cap.

 

[Irish Insanity]

That's not it. The legal distinction is whether you're betting on teams versus whether you're betting on players. Betting on players exempts daily fantasy (and regular fantasy) from the Unlawful Internet Gambling Act of 2006.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unlawful_Internet_Gambling_Enforcement_Act

Good call.

 

[bkess8]

Well, I took Brandon Maybefield because, although he's expensive, they are playign Tulsa and he runs and throws, so you get double yardage with quarterbacks like that.

At running back I have Fournette who is going off and I think Auburn's defense is weak.
My other back is Joel Buagnon fom Northern Illinois for two reasons, although they are playing Ohio State, they run the ball a LOT and I don't see that changing. And if Ohio State gets up big, he will probably get garbage yards and td's later in the game when Ohio State's second string is in and they don't care any more.

At WR, I have Fuller becuase I don't think GT stops the pass and that is where Kizer will look all day, wouldn't you?
Keevan Lucas - putting up big numbers and Tulsa will need to pass the ball
Penny HArt, this week's diamond in the rough. Believe it or not Georgia State has been putting up huge passing numbers and Oregon has no great defense. Plus Georgia State will probably also need to pass to stay in the game.

For tight end, to fit those guys in, I went cheap with Jake Butt because he's at least shown some consistency so far.

Other players I considered:
qb - Brandon Doughty WKU, Indaian pass defense is 122nd in country
Tommy Armstrong, always gets his numbers because he runs and passes.
Justin Thomas, love my Irish but he is also still going to get his numbers.

RB - Samaje Perine and Ezekiel Elliot, both expensive playing weak defenses.
Terrell Newby, gets a lot of carries and receptions and Miami will give up yards.
Mark Walton, Miami puts up good numbers and NEbraska defense not stellar
Skov, Irish having trouble stopping the fullback on a triple option

WR - Sterling Shepard...Tulsa thing again
Braxton Miller, same Ohio State reasons as above
Keyarris Garrett, again, Tulsa needs to pass to hang in there. They pass a lot.
Tajee Sharpe, Temple are no giant killers.
Christian Kirk, top option for a Tex a&m offense playing a Nevada team.
Geronimo Allison, gets a lot of looks in the Illinois offense.
Marken Michel, cheap, gets his yards and is playing Temple.

TE - Man, just pick one with decent history who fits in your salary cap.

Hope it helps.

Love the input I picked my lineup and will share the results of it after Saturday! Good luck!

 

[IrishinTN]

Love the input I picked my lineup and will share the results of it after Saturday! Good luck!

Sounds good. Me too.

 

[IrishinTN]

Well, I took Brandon Maybefield because, although he's expensive, they are playign Tulsa and he runs and throws, so you get double yardage with quarterbacks like that.

At running back I have Fournette who is going off and I think Auburn's defense is weak.
My other back is Joel Buagnon fom Northern Illinois for two reasons, although they are playing Ohio State, they run the ball a LOT and I don't see that changing. And if Ohio State gets up big, he will probably get garbage yards and td's later in the game when Ohio State's second string is in and they don't care any more.

At WR, I have Fuller becuase I don't think GT stops the pass and that is where Kizer will look all day, wouldn't you?
Keevan Lucas - putting up big numbers and Tulsa will need to pass the ball
Penny HArt, this week's diamond in the rough. Believe it or not Georgia State has been putting up huge passing numbers and Oregon has no great defense. Plus Georgia State will probably also need to pass to stay in the game.

For tight end, to fit those guys in, I went cheap with Jake Butt because he's at least shown some consistency so far.

Other players I considered:
qb - Brandon Doughty WKU, Indaian pass defense is 122nd in country
Tommy Armstrong, always gets his numbers because he runs and passes.
Justin Thomas, love my Irish but he is also still going to get his numbers.

RB - Samaje Perine and Ezekiel Elliot, both expensive playing weak defenses.
Terrell Newby, gets a lot of carries and receptions and Miami will give up yards.
Mark Walton, Miami puts up good numbers and NEbraska defense not stellar
Skov, Irish having trouble stopping the fullback on a triple option

WR - Sterling Shepard...Tulsa thing again
Braxton Miller, same Ohio State reasons as above
Keyarris Garrett, again, Tulsa needs to pass to hang in there. They pass a lot.
Tajee Sharpe, Temple are no giant killers.
Christian Kirk, top option for a Tex a&m offense playing a Nevada team.
Geronimo Allison, gets a lot of looks in the Illinois offense.
Marken, Michel cheap, gets his yards and is playing Temple.

TE - Man, just pick one with decent history who fits in your salary cap.

Hope it helps.

How my picks fared:
Brandon Mayfield - 55.98
Leonard Fournette - 42.2
Joel Bouagnon - 10.1
Penny Hart - 17.3
Fuller - 22.1
Keevan Lucas - 22.9
Jake Butt - 2.4
Total points - 172.98 and $40 win on $12 buy in. Not great but pays for my buy ins next week.

What could have been:
Brandon Doughty - 31
Samaje Perine - 21.5
Ezekiel Elliot - 12
Terrell Newby - 12
Mark Walton - 4
Skov - 29
Sterling Shepard - 18
Braxton Miller .7 wow, terrible
Keyarris Garrett - 32
Tajee Sharpe - 21
Christian Kirk - 15
Geronimo Allison - 7
Marken Michel - 10

For the weekend overall I ended up $65

 

[IrishinTN]

Anybody else get annoyed with how long it takes for Fan Duel to get their CFB tournaments out there? They only get the late slates out Friday nights. Used to be everything was already out there Mondays and you could do the research needed to win. Sheesh.

 

[bkess8]

Did pretty well with college last week on a Thursday and Friday bet and also with the Saturday games. Lost it all when I picked my teams for Sunday, EPIC FAIL!

 

[bkess8]

Picking my team for this Thursday and Friday now. Probably just going to enter a $10 double up.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I have no idea the legality of either of those. Closest I can think of is fantasy golf, which is definitely allowed.

One stipulation is that prizes have to be predetermined and can't fluctuate based on betting activity. Thus, anything with a moneyline or point spread is automatically out.

A huge difference between traditional gambling and fantasy is that there is no "house" so nobody is incentivized to try to fix the outcome of any game. Professional leagues are wary of Vegas because of the enormous amount of money on the line, and of black market bookies because of their shadowy nature. But fantasy leagues only take a rake, they don't stand to benefit from the result of any game. Some players do wager a lot of money, relatively speaking, but it is peanuts in the grand scheme of things. There is also the practical point of how difficult it would be to rig a fantasy game - you don't know who is on the teams you're competing against until the contests start, and you are effectively competing against everyone in the league, anyways. I just think that although it seems similar from the player's perspective, functionally it is much different.

So you were right before when you said federal law considers these types of contests "games of skill," but a big part of the reasoning for how they got to that conclusion has to do with how little risk there is of rigging contests related to this type of game.