'17 IN QB Hunter Johnson (Northwestern Transfer)

[Irish2155]

I'm surprised Hunter's HS team is only ranked 13 (tied) in the AP and not ranked at all in the Coaches pre-season IN poll...given this kid is such a stud. I assumed Brownsburg would be higher even though they are one of the "smaller" schools in big 6A

 

[NDRock]

I think TN will be much improved, they've recruited very well the last few years. Should be able to challenge for the East this year.

 

[Wingman Ray]

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Florida is not great. They'll get better, but Tennessee is ahead right now. South Carolina is currently trending down, and I think Tennessee passes them this year. I think Mizzou comes back to earth for a year as well.

It is very generous, but the schedule isn't as bad as people think, and I'm a believer in Dobbs. If I'm a Tennessee fan, I'm upset if I don't see an 8-win season.

No way they beat Spurrier two years in a row. That happens and you see Mr. Motormouth/Huge Ego lay down the gloves and quit.

With Mizzou, the mighty IU Hoosiers showed that they can be taken at any time

FL, the jury is still out on them but know FL has one 10 out of the last 10 meetings with TN

 

[IrishLion]

No way they beat Spurrier two years in a row. That happens and you see Mr. Motormouth/Huge Ego lay down the gloves and quit.

Ha, South Carolina is going to open with losses to North Carolina, Kentucky, and Georgia, and during those three weeks, every sports writer in the country will use the headline "Is it Time for the OBC to Retire?"

FL, the jury is still out on them but know FL has one 10 out of the last 10 meetings with TN

Florida has history on their side, and plenty of talent, but I think Tennessee's recruiting success finally shows up on the field this year, and allows them to beat the Gators.

 

[EuropeanDomer22]

When was the last time they beat Florida?

 

[IrishLion]

When was the last time they beat Florida?

2004

 

[BobbyMac]

I'm surprised Hunter's HS team is only ranked 13 (tied) in the AP and not ranked at all in the Coaches pre-season IN poll...given this kid is such a stud. I assumed Brownsburg would be higher even though they are one of the "smaller" schools in big 6A

I thought the HCC and the MIC were combining? Did that fall apart?

I wish New Pal played just one of the 6A schools. I saw their championship game last year and offensively, I can't say I've ever seen a team execute better than they did at any level ever... and I saw a few good teams play last fall.

 

[woolybug25]

Florida has history on their side, and plenty of talent, but I think Tennessee's recruiting success finally shows up on the field this year, and allows them to beat the Gators.

That's a fair opinion to have, but when your "baseline win total" included them beating FL, I think that isn't a fair opinion. Especially since they haven't beat FL in over a decade.

 

[IrishLion]

That's a fair opinion to have, but when your "baseline win total" included them beating FL, I think that isn't a fair opinion. Especially since they haven't beat FL in over a decade.

If I were a Tennesee fan, with the trajectory of the two programs, my baseline would absolutely be a win total that includes a win over Florida. I would think it's time to put up or shut up, and another loss would be unacceptable and below my baseline of expectations.

 

[gkIrish]

If I were a Tennesee fan, with the trajectory of the two programs, my baseline would absolutely be a win total that includes a win over Florida. I would think it's time to put up or shut up, and another loss would be unacceptable and below my baseline of expectations.

Baseline wins are the games the team is significantly favored in. Probably anything over 75%.

There's no way they are favored by that much against Florida and will likely be an underdog.

 

[woolybug25]

If I were a Tennesee fan, with the trajectory of the two programs, my baseline would absolutely be a win total that includes a win over Florida. I would think it's time to put up or shut up, and another loss would be unacceptable and below my baseline of expectations.

They lost to FL last season in Knoxville. The tenth loss to them in a row. Florida is also improving and have them at home. If I'm a Vol fan, im hoping that the streak ends, but I'm certainly not making my minimal standard for a decent season based off of beating them. I simply don't see why they should consider this one they "should" win. They are certainly capable of doing so, but I wouldn't say that it's likely.

Is there a line for this game yet?

 

[Irish2155]

I thought the HCC and the MIC were combining? Did that fall apart?

I wish New Pal played just one of the 6A schools. I saw their championship game last year and offensively, I can't say I've ever seen a team execute better than they did at any level ever... and I saw a few good teams play last fall.

I hear you...they ended my HS team's season in regionals last year to the tone of 44-13.

MIC is: Carmel, Ben Davis (defending state champs), Warren, Center Grove, Lawrence Central, Pike, Lawrence North and North Central

HCC is: Avon, Fishers, Westfield, Noblesville, Hamilton SE, Brownsburg (Hunter's school) and Zionsville.

They all play each other for the most part though...and Penn, who is overrated every year in the Polls, never plays any of them. Then wonders why they get their ass beat every year when they finally play some sort of competition.

 

[Irish#1]

No way they beat Spurrier two years in a row. That happens and you see Mr. Motormouth/Huge Ego lay down the gloves and quit.

With Mizzou, the mighty IU Hoosiers showed that they can be taken at any time

FL, the jury is still out on them but know FL has one 10 out of the last 10 meetings with TN

Wait a minute. When did IU start playing football?

I thought the HCC and the MIC were combining? Did that fall apart?

I wish New Pal played just one of the 6A schools. I saw their championship game last year and offensively, I can't say I've ever seen a team execute better than they did at any level ever... and I saw a few good teams play last fall.

I didn't see them play, but they put up some unbelievable numbers even for a HS team.

 

[IrishLion]

Baseline wins are the games the team is significantly favored in. Probably anything over 75%.

There's no way they are favored by that much against Florida and will likely be an underdog.

They lost to FL last season in Knoxville. The tenth loss to them in a row. Florida is also improving and have them at home. If I'm a Vol fan, im hoping that the streak ends, but I'm certainly not making my minimal standard for a decent season based off of beating them. I simply don't see why they should consider this one they "should" win. They are certainly capable of doing so, but I wouldn't say that it's likely.

Is there a line for this game yet?

Okay I see the point you guys are making. I consider the baseline more of what would be acceptable to me. And maybe I'm undervaluing Florida, despite their recent struggles, in that regard.

The only example I can think of to show you my beliefs would have been 2012 ND/Michigan. I know that scUM didn't have a 10-year winning streak, but too often had we seen ND drop the game to an equal or inferior team. That was a baseline, must-win in my mind.

2010 ND/USC was kind of similar, but both teams were more of a crapshoot that year (which I think Florida is this year).

 

[irishdiehard]

8-4 as a baseline? That's very generous. I would say 5-7 is the baseline with potential to go 9-3.

Vegas has the over/under on Tennesse's regular season win total set at 8. Check the links below.

Vegas releases win totals: Ohio State in a class by itself - CBSSports.com

College football by the odds: Team-by-team betting preview of the SEC - Las Vegas Sun News

I believe Notre Dame's win total is set at 9.


Tennessee

Odds to win the SEC: 10-to-1

Win total: 8 (over minus-125, under minus-105)

Week 1 line: Tennessee minus-21 vs. Bowling Green

Golden Nugget games of the year lines Sept. 12 Tennessee pick’em vs. Okalahoma; Sept. 26 Tennessee minus-3 at Florida; Oct. 3 Tennessee minus-1 vs. Arkansas; Oct. 10 Tennessee pick’em vs. Georgia; Oct. 24 Tennessee plus-9 at Alabama; Nov. 21 Tennessee plus-2.5 at Missouri; Nov. 28 Tennessee minus-21 vs. Vanderbilt

 

[gkIrish]

Vegas has the over/under on Tennesse's regular season win total set at 8. Check the links below.

Vegas releases win totals: Ohio State in a class by itself - CBSSports.com

College football by the odds: Team-by-team betting preview of the SEC - Las Vegas Sun News

I believe Notre Dame's win total is set at 9.


Tennessee

Odds to win the SEC: 10-to-1

Win total: 8 (over minus-125, under minus-105)

Week 1 line: Tennessee minus-21 vs. Bowling Green

Golden Nugget games of the year lines Sept. 12 Tennessee pick’em vs. Okalahoma; Sept. 26 Tennessee minus-3 at Florida; Oct. 3 Tennessee minus-1 vs. Arkansas; Oct. 10 Tennessee pick’em vs. Georgia; Oct. 24 Tennessee plus-9 at Alabama; Nov. 21 Tennessee plus-2.5 at Missouri; Nov. 28 Tennessee minus-21 vs. Vanderbilt

The over/under is the "average" win projection. As I mentioned, to me, a baseline is the "floor" of your potential wins. If someone thinks Tennessee's "floor" is 8 wins, then I vehemently disagree.

 

[NCDomer]

Okay I see the point you guys are making. I consider the baseline more of what would be acceptable to me. And maybe I'm undervaluing Florida, despite their recent struggles, in that regard.

The only example I can think of to show you my beliefs would have been 2012 ND/Michigan. I know that scUM didn't have a 10-year winning streak, but too often had we seen ND drop the game to an equal or inferior team. That was a baseline, must-win in my mind.

2010 ND/USC was kind of similar, but both teams were more of a crapshoot that year (which I think Florida is this year).

You act like Tennessee is on some obvious uptick as compared to UF. Let's compare the last two years.

Tennessee's recent history

• In 2013, UT went 5-7 overall and 2-6 in the SEC and in sixth place in the SEC Eastern Division. Lost to UF 17-31. 26th best recruiting class according to 247.
• In 2014, UT went 7-6 overall and 3-5 in the SEC and in fourth place in the SEC Eastern Division. Lost to UF 9-10. 7th best recruiting class.

UF's recent history

• In 2013, UF went 4-8 overall and 3-5 in the SEC and in fifth place in the SEC Eastern Division. 3rd best recruiting class according to 247.
• In 2014, UF went 7-5 overall and 4-4 in the SEC and in third place in the SEC Eastern Division. 10th best recruiting class.

Based on the above, both have had similar overall records with UF doing better against similar competition and head-to-head. UF recruited better in 2013 and both were relatively similar last year. If anything, UF's better 2013 recruiting would suggest they're more improved this years with those players having a year under their belts. The main difference is that UT has had the same coach while UF has a new coach. Overall, the past two years suggest UF is a better program and still ahead of UT.

Also, don't forget that the losses UF had in 2013 at the end of the season were very similar to ND's last year. UF had a ton of injuries in 2013, which ultimately did them in.

 

[BobbyMac]

You act like Tennessee is on some obvious uptick as compared to UF. Let's compare the last two years.

Tennessee's recent history

• In 2013, UT went 5-7 overall and 2-6 in the SEC and in sixth place in the SEC Eastern Division. Lost to UF 17-31. 26th best recruiting class according to 247.
• In 2014, UT went 7-6 overall and 3-5 in the SEC and in fourth place in the SEC Eastern Division. Lost to UF 9-10. 7th best recruiting class.

UF's recent history

• In 2013, UF went 4-8 overall and 3-5 in the SEC and in fifth place in the SEC Eastern Division. 3rd best recruiting class according to 247.
• In 2014, UF went 7-5 overall and 4-4 in the SEC and in third place in the SEC Eastern Division. 10th best recruiting class.

Based on the above, both have had similar overall records with UF doing better against similar competition and head-to-head. UF recruited better in 2013 and both were relatively similar last year. If anything, UF's better 2013 recruiting would suggest they're more improved this years with those players having a year under their belts. The main difference is that UT has had the same coach while UF has a new coach. Overall, the past two years suggest UF is a better program and still ahead of UT.

Also, don't forget that the losses UF had in 2013 at the end of the season were very similar to ND's last year. UF had a ton of injuries in 2013, which ultimately did them in.

You outlined a lot of valid points but to skip over UT's 2015 haul is almost criminal. I'd take their top 10-12 players from this class over anybody in the country. Kahlil McKenzie is from another planet.

 

[md_bennett]

Is this still about HJ? It looks like an SEC east fanboy discussion I hear every day here in Jax.

So folks are neg recruiting us and Sanford had to straighten out the Johnson's by telling the truth. Does this help us at all right now, or did somebody manage to poison the well with lies and screw us over?

 

[irishff1014]

I have been saying the last few weeks we need to secure a strong second option. I don't believe that Hunter will be wearing blue and gold.

 

[rtrn2glory]

best thing for the kid is to push pause and play his football season and worry about it later.

 

[pumpdog20]

Last years 6 wins were against:

Ark State
Utah State
Chattanooga
S. Carolina (in OT)
Kentucky
Vanderbilt

Largely the SC win was an upset, with SC coming off a loss the week before to Auburn.

They did beat that powerhouse over in Iowa City though.

 

[Luckylucci]

best thing for the kid is to push pause and play his football season and worry about it later.

I think this is what Sanford's message has been to him. One, because its probably right for the kid. Two, if he decides now it won't be us, lol.

 

[Meacon Irish]

Last years 6 wins were against:

Ark State
Utah State
Chattanooga
S. Carolina (in OT)
Kentucky
Vanderbilt

Largely the SC win was an upset, with SC coming off a loss the week before to Auburn.

If you think Tennessee loses to Florida and South Carolina, I don't think you've been paying attention.

 

[ThePiombino]

best thing for the ND FANBASE is to push pause and play his football season and worry about it later.

FIFY

 

[Irish#1]

There is an SEC thread you can use for discussing the Vols potential record and schedule.

 

[china423]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Visit in the works for 5-star QB Hunter Johnson to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>? Here's the latest: <a href="http://t.co/bCC7yi8hhv">http://t.co/bCC7yi8hhv</a> (VIP) <a href="https://twitter.com/SWiltfong247">@SWiltfong247</a></p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/634927898735022080">August 22, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

 

[woolybug25]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Visit in the works for 5-star QB Hunter Johnson to <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>? Here's the latest: <a href="http://t.co/bCC7yi8hhv">http://t.co/bCC7yi8hhv</a> (VIP) <a href="https://twitter.com/SWiltfong247">@SWiltfong247</a></p>— Tom Loy (@TomLoy247) <a href="https://twitter.com/TomLoy247/status/634927898735022080">August 22, 2015</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

As the world turns...

 

[calvegas04]

His team lost tonight to another Indiana HS team 34 to 55, 3 int's

 

[ThePiombino]

His team lost tonight to another Indiana HS team 34 to 55, 3 int's

How good is the offense he plays on? Is there any other FBS talent on the roster? I wouldn't be so worried about his numbers if he's throwing to a bunch of JV kids. He seems to camp really well.