The Optimal Notre Dame Scheduling Model

[Cali_domer]

Independence is dead any way really.

5 ACC game contract(The conference tells us who to play, we supply the dates)
USC (Never coming off)
Navy (Never Coming off)
Stanford (They love the exposure on wc once a year)
All are locks on schedule. So we're talking about 4 games we have control over? Silly really. ACC teams have the same amount of games they have control over with there 8 game schedule.

But hey we get to say we're (Semi)Independent!

 

[IrishJayhawk]

5x ACC games
1x USC
1X Stanford
1x Navy
1x Rotate a big name team TX, OK, FL, OH St., UCLA, OR, etc.
1x Rotate Meatchicken and MichSt
2x crappy teams. Really crappy teams. Don't care who, as long as they don't run the option.

FIFY

 

[Ndaccountant]

Whoa whoa whoa.... rotating our biggest rival?

No way, Jose.

Also, do you know the story on why we play Navy? We should always play them, imo. Every year, in perpetuity.

Honest question for you. At what point does playing Navy stop being charity? The way they play is unforgiving and has cost us a great deal in the past decade. What used to be a relatively easy win has transformed into a injury prone battlefield.

I get why we play them and I am thankful for what they have done. But at some point, shouldn't we look at other ways to help Navy if the cost of playing them has become too high?

 

[wizards8507]

The way they play is unforgiving and has cost us a great deal in the past decade. What used to be a relatively easy win has transformed into a injury prone battlefield.

Give me a break. I think we had maybe three injuries against Navy last year and all three were freak things that had nothing to do with Navy's play style. Also, you don't end an historic rivalry because of the current offensive system the team happens to run.

 

[Irish YJ]

Honest question for you. At what point does playing Navy stop being charity? The way they play is unforgiving and has cost us a great deal in the past decade. What used to be a relatively easy win has transformed into a injury prone battlefield.

I get why we play them and I am thankful for what they have done. But at some point, shouldn't we look at other ways to help Navy if the cost of playing them has become too high?

Wooly I'm in this camp.

Let's play them in basketball.... way too tired of injuries.
Regarding the sacred nature... yes they supported us during WW2, and that's really nice. We've repaid that debt 100 fold financially in my opinion. There comes a point when the debt is no longer a debt. We can't be eternally in their debt, can we? If they want to stop cut blocking, would love to play them every year. Nothing you can say after Schwenke/Williams/Day injuries that will make me think it's worth playing these guys.
Legal or not, cut blocking is BS, and should not happen in the NCAA.

 

[BobbyMac]

Big 12 Expansion or Contraction? Watch Out for Oklahoma | FRANK THE TANK'S SLANT

These writers forget or never knew that the first thing a school has to be to gain membership in the B1G is be a member of the Association of American Universities. The only schools in the Big 12 that are AAU members are Texas, Kansas and Iowa St. Nebraska, Tex A&M and Mizzou were before leaving.

I have read there is legislation in both Oklahoma and Kansas that one school cannot go without the other. I don't doubt the state of Kansas could revisit that and make it work but the State of Oklahoma has to contend with T. Boone and his influence if they think they are going to leave OSU behind forcing them to join the AAC or the MWC.

Oklahoma is stuck until Texas makes its next move. It can't follow UT to the B1G unless the B1G gives up its AAU membership criteria.

If Texas goes to the PAC then I see all the Texas and Oklahoma schools following along. Either way, we are probably down to four, 20 team superconferences at that point.


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[Irish YJ]

Give me a break. I think we had maybe three injuries against Navy last year and all three were freak things that had nothing to do with Navy's play style. Also, you don't end an historic rivalry because of the current offensive system the team happens to run.

BK is much more forgiving than me

Notre Dame’s Brian Kelly Rightfully Ends Navy Cut-Blocking Controversy - RantSports

 

[Irish YJ]

wooly, regarding USC... OK, OK, OK..., but can we cut Stanford then.... , or rotate them with UCLA... or the Ivy Leauge....

Honestly, I liked the Meatchicken game as much as USC.

 

[Ndaccountant]

Give me a break. I think we had maybe three injuries against Navy last year and all three were freak things that had nothing to do with Navy's play style. Also, you don't end an historic rivalry because of the current offensive system the team happens to run.

It stopped being a rivalry decades ago. If really is charity at this point, nothing more.

It's also the twisted ankle that isn't 100% for a good time period that doesn't show up on the injury report. Hell, even OSU lost last year the week after playing Navy.

 

[Ndaccountant]

BK is much more forgiving than me

Notre Dame’s Brian Kelly Rightfully Ends Navy Cut-Blocking Controversy - RantSports

What do you expect him to say leading up to the game? He has to prep the team mentally and giving an inch on this would not be advisable.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

These writers forget or never knew that the first thing a school has to be to gain membership in the B1G is be a member of the Association of American Universities. The only schools in the Big 12 that are AAU members are Texas, Kansas and Iowa St. Nebraska, Tex A&M and Mizzou were before leaving.

I have read there is legislation in both Oklahoma and Kansas that one school cannot go without the other. I don't doubt the state of Kansas could revisit that and make it work but the State of Oklahoma has to contend with T. Boone and his influence if they think they are going to leave OSU to join the AAC or the MWC.

Oklahoma is stuck until Texas makes its next move. It can't follow UT to the B1G unless the B1G gives up its AAU membership criteria.

If Texas goes to the PAC then I see all the Texas and Oklahoma schools following along. Either way, we are probably down to four, 20 team superconferences at that point.


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Nebraska has since been removed.

Former members[edit]
University of Nebraska–Lincoln (1909–2011)
Removed from the AAU.[7] Chancellor Harvey Perlman claimed that the lack of an on-campus medical school (the Medical Center is a separate campus of the University of Nebraska system) and the AAU's disregarding of USDA-funded agricultural research in its metrics hurt the university's performance in the association's internal ranking system.[6] In 2010 Perlman stated that had Nebraska not been part of the AAU, the Big Ten would likely not have invited it to become the athletic conference's 12th member,[2] although a lack of support for Nebraska's AAU membership by some Big Ten members "call into question the pretext on which Nebraska was invited to join [the Big Ten]."[11]

 

[Irish YJ]

What do you expect him to say leading up to the game? He has to prep the team mentally and giving an inch on this would not be advisable.

I would have said no comment.
I wouldn't have called my team cry babies in a public forum

Then I would go tell my team to take out 5 Navy knees for every ND injury.

There is a reason why cut blocking is frowned on.

 

[wizards8507]

There is a reason why cut blocking is frowned on.

It's perfectly safe for a well-coached, disciplined defense. Especially one that's physically superior. Hands on the should pads, push blocker to the turf, shed the block, make the tackle.

 

[Irish YJ]

It's perfectly safe for a well-coached, disciplined defense. Especially one that's physically superior. Hands on the should pads, push blocker to the turf, shed the block, make the tackle.

That's nonsense.
So you're saying BK/Diaco/Elston were poor coaches?
You're also saying Longo sucks if we weren't physically superior.

 

[BobbyMac]

Nebraska has since been removed.

Yes, this is true but they would not have been extended the offer to join if they had not been a member at one point and to be fair. The AAU decided to look at some government research money differently going forward. The AAU requires X amount of governmental and Y amount of private research for membership. They also didn't like Nebraska's med school set up 50 miles away in Lincoln when IU does something very similar in Indy away from their Bloomington campus.

I've also read many articles that Nebraska is trying to get back into compliance, which they feel strongly about and that they are on some sort of silent probation.


I am glad you responded to this IJ.... Can KU simply leave K State whenever they want or are they bound at the state political level?


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[IrishLax]

There are two ideal situations for ND (that don't involve blowing up the entire system and forming a conference with BC, Northwestern, Stanford, Vandy, Duke, Wake Forest, etc.).

The first is joining the ACC full time and having the last team in be UCONN. ND joins the ACC North which is comprised of ND, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, UCONN, UVA, Virginia Tech, and Louisville. The ACC sticks to an 8 game conference schedule, and ND's crossover game is Miami. ND drops Stanford from the schedule, plays USC + Navy + two cream puffs. ND never wins less than 9 games again in a season, and routinely competes for the ACC championship.

The second is that we get to an 8 team playoff within the next 5 years. The playoff is set up to be 5 conference champs as AQs + 3 at-large bids. ND stays independent and continues the 5 + 3 + 4 model. The +4 includes Purdue, a Shamrock Series game, and two cream puffs.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Yes, this is true but they would not have been extended the offer to join if they had not been a member at one point and to be fair. The AAU decided to look at some government research money differently going forward. The AAU requires X amount of governmental and Y amount of private research for membership. They also didn't like Nebraska's med school set up 50 miles away in Lincoln when IU does something very similar in Indy away from their Bloomington campus.

I've also read many articles that Nebraska is trying to get back into compliance, which they feel strongly about and that they are on some sort of silent probation.


I am glad you responded to this IJ.... Can KU simply leave K State whenever they want or are they bound at the state political level?


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I don't believe they're bound. When the Big 12 looked like it was going to implode, Iowa State and K State were rumored to be the schools with the most to lose. KU would have found a home because of basketball. K State didn't really have a home other than the Mountain West. But that was just speculation at the time. I don't know more than that.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

There are two ideal situations for ND (that don't involve blowing up the entire system and forming a conference with BC, Northwestern, Stanford, Vandy, Duke, Wake Forest, etc.).

The first is joining the ACC full time and having the last team in be UCONN. ND joins the ACC North which is comprised of ND, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, UCONN, UVA, Virginia Tech, and Louisville. The ACC sticks to an 8 game conference schedule, and ND's crossover game is Miami. ND drops Stanford from the schedule, plays USC + Navy + two cream puffs. ND never wins less than 9 games again in a season, and routinely competes for the ACC championship.

The second is that we get to an 8 team playoff within the next 5 years. The playoff is set up to be 5 conference champs as AQs + 3 at-large bids. ND stays independent and continues the 5 + 3 + 4 model. The +4 includes Purdue, a Shamrock Series game, and two cream puffs.

This component is the key in any scenario.

 

[woolybug25]

Wooly I'm in this camp.

Let's play them in basketball.... way too tired of injuries.
Regarding the sacred nature... yes they supported us during WW2, and that's really nice. We've repaid that debt 100 fold financially in my opinion. There comes a point when the debt is no longer a debt. We can't be eternally in their debt, can we? If they want to stop cut blocking, would love to play them every year. Nothing you can say after Schwenke/Williams/Day injuries that will make me think it's worth playing these guys.
Legal or not, cut blocking is BS, and should not happen in the NCAA.

I do not think we will ever repay that debt. They didn't just save our football team, they saved the university. There were literally no way to get students if they wouldn't have brought the V-7 Indoctrination School to the university. It would have dwindled to the point that the University wouldn't have been able to keep the doors open. Unless somehow our Navy were to be literally saved by Notre Dame (pretty impossible), then I simply do not understand how that debt could ever be repaid. Playing them in a silly game of football once a year is a small act of kindness compared to what they did for Notre Dame.

It's perfectly safe for a well-coached, disciplined defense. Especially one that's physically superior. Hands on the should pads, push blocker to the turf, shed the block, make the tackle.

I think the quote below, pulled from YJ's link, says it best.

Brian Kelly: “As it relates to the cut blocks, stop being crybabies, and go play the game. I don’t want to hear about cut blocks. Get in your stance, get off the ball and play the game. I don’t want to hear about it. It’s part of the game, and they’re legal, and you’ve got to get off the ball and go play. I told our guys this is a no cry zone this week. I don’t want to hear about it. Go play big games and go play the game the right way.”

It's legal. Until it's not, we just need to be better at defending it and protecting our players.

 

[ACamp1900]

I prefer my cream puffs in trios...

 

[Irish YJ]

There are two ideal situations for ND (that don't involve blowing up the entire system and forming a conference with BC, Northwestern, Stanford, Vandy, Duke, Wake Forest, etc.).

The first is joining the ACC full time and having the last team in be UCONN. ND joins the ACC North which is comprised of ND, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, UCONN, UVA, Virginia Tech, and Louisville. The ACC sticks to an 8 game conference schedule, and ND's crossover game is Miami. ND drops Stanford from the schedule, plays USC + Navy + two cream puffs. ND never wins less than 9 games again in a season, and routinely competes for the ACC championship.

The second is that we get to an 8 team playoff within the next 5 years. The playoff is set up to be 5 conference champs as AQs + 3 at-large bids. ND stays independent and continues the 5 + 3 + 4 model. The +4 includes Purdue, a Shamrock Series game, and two cream puffs.

Realistically it would be 5xconf champs, + SEC runner up + 2 at large bids

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I prefer my cream puffs in trios...

I'd take three. This gauntlet scheduling has to stop.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'd take three. This gauntlet scheduling has to stop.

just be glad we don't have a SEC schedule

 

[Dizzyphil]

At some point, I would like to see Tennessee/Alabama/Georgia rotated in.

Diz

 

[Irish YJ]

At some point, I would like to see Tennessee/Alabama/Georgia rotated in.

Diz

Tenn/UGA/OleMiss please.

The chicks man

 

[Dizzyphil]

Tenn/UGA/OleMiss please.

The chicks man

I second that brother!!!!

 

[BobbyMac]

There are two ideal situations for ND (that don't involve blowing up the entire system and forming a conference with BC, Northwestern, Stanford, Vandy, Duke, Wake Forest, etc.).

The first is joining the ACC full time and having the last team in be UCONN. ND joins the ACC North which is comprised of ND, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, UCONN, UVA, Virginia Tech, and Louisville. The ACC sticks to an 8 game conference schedule, and ND's crossover game is Miami. ND drops Stanford from the schedule, plays USC + Navy + two cream puffs. ND never wins less than 9 games again in a season, and routinely competes for the ACC championship.

The second is that we get to an 8 team playoff within the next 5 years. The playoff is set up to be 5 conference champs as AQs + 3 at-large bids. ND stays independent and continues the 5 + 3 + 4 model. The +4 includes Purdue, a Shamrock Series game, and two cream puffs.

I like scenario 1 except I'd go with Temple, currently a better program in a huge $ market which is the most important thing to conferences as Rutgers got into the B1G, not Iowa St.

I wouldn't stop there. I'd add UCF and the big Orlando market down south and probably WV over UCinn and UConn for quality of athletics and national name recognition. I know there's not a lot of people in WV but all 2 million of them are Mountaineer fans. Though if you added UConn maybe you could move the conference hq to Bristol and make it easy for ESPN to love you. They'll be kissing your ring anyways as soon as football ends and basketball takes over.


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[ACamp1900]

Tenn/UGA/OleMiss please.

The chicks man

I second that brother!!!!

I never miss an Egg Bowl if I can help it... the football is usually awful but the eye candy more than makes up for it...

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I like scenario 1 except I'd go with Temple, currently a better program in a huge $ market which is the most important thing to conferences as Rutgers got into the B1G, not Iowa St.

It's all about markets. I've thought for a while that the B1G might target Pitt and Temple.

 

[BobbyMac]

It's all about markets. I've thought for a while that the B1G might target Pitt and Temple.

They wanted Rutgers and Maryland first. ( I mean NYC, NJ, Baltimore and DC) but they have to be looking at Pitt long term if they have to go superconference. Mizzou would have to join along with KU if Texas went B1G. After that they need to poach UVa, UNC or Vandy to get to 20. I've even heard talk of Rice to the B1G with UT for Houston's TV's.

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