'16 FL RB Tony Jones Jr. (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[dublinirish]

Folston is not fast, he has nice acceleration but then always, suddenly starts to look behind him because he has not confidence in his closing speed. It was funny how he was caught from behind against BYU. He is quicker than faster, like Riddick. But i think Folston would be a bit faster if he cuts some weight (i think he carries extra weight). Tony Jones is not faster and never will be, but it is not his game, he will be fine, i think he is great running back.

He ran a 4.4 coming out of high school and ESPN had him listed as an athlete. Not fast. Yeah right.

he was plenty fast to play corner in the under armor bowl

 

[EuropeanDomer22]

He ran a 4.4 coming out of high school and ESPN had him listed as an athlete. Not fast. Yeah right.

By NFL standars, he is not fast. Do not you see how he was easily caught from behind against BYU and Oklahoma? He will have a nice 10 yd split because he can accelerate but he has not an extra gear and i think it is very obvious. Still, like i said, i think he carries extra weight, no need to be at 215. Anyway i think he is better than Zeke Elliott and Derrick Henry so no problem to me with his lack of breakaway speed.

 

[TheChosen1]

By NFL standars, he is not fast. Do not you see how he was easily caught from behind against BYU and Oklahoma? He will have a nice 10 yd split because he can accelerate but he has not an extra gear and i think it is very obvious. Still, like i said, i think he carries extra weight, no need to be at 215. Anyway i think he is better than Zeke Elliott and Derrick Henry so no problem to me with his lack of breakaway speed.

Could care less about NFL standards. I care about college. And Elliott and henry are better. Many draft experts said Elliott would have been the first or second back drafted if he could have left. I'm done.

 

[irishfan]

Just reading first post.

My bad, I misread. Thought the 4.48 was for TF.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Not that it makes any difference to young Mr. Jones [who looks HIGHLY promising in every way to me], but Darius Walker was a GREAT Notre Dame RB, and it's hard to imagine anyone dissing anything about his abilities. I'll take a Darius Walker all day every day.

 

[dublinirish]

Not that it makes any difference to young Mr. Jones [who looks HIGHLY promising in every way to me], but Darius Walker was a GREAT Notre Dame RB, and it's hard to imagine anyone dissing anything about his abilities. I'll take a Darius Walker all day every day.

Darius leaving early was just such a terrible thing. Kid could have had a great senior season for ND..

 

[greyhammer90]

Darious leaving early was just such a terrible thing. Kid could have had a great senior season for ND..

Nobody would've stuck around for that OL. We were a JV team that year. He made the right move. If he was ever going to make it in the league, it was going to be after the 2006 season.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Time for a conversation about the meaningless of forty yard dashes? I didn't think so.

It is a standard, and that isn't going to change. But the agility drill is looked at more and more, as are the dash splits, with better time keeping equipment. So you do get an idea of football speed, don't you?

I have been curious for the last couple of years, as to why the times at the Opening seem to be so much lower for athletes that have recorded faster times previously. I think there is some indication that some of the qualifying times for the regional events tend faster than do the times in Beaverton.

At any rate, if you look at the recorded times at the opening, do you get a good relative sense of a kid's speed, versus his peers?

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Time for a conversation about the meaningless of forty yard dashes? I didn't think so.

It is a standard, and that isn't going to change. But the agility drill is looked at more and more, as are the dash splits, with better time keeping equipment. So you do get an idea of football speed, don't you?

I have been curious for the last couple of years, as to why the times at the Opening seem to be so much lower for athletes that have recorded faster times previously. I think there is some indication that some of the qualifying times for the regional events tend faster than do the times in Beaverton.

At any rate, if you look at the recorded times at the opening, do you get a good relative sense of a kid's speed, versus his peers?

The Opening is laser timed. It is also done on grass. A lot of the Regional camps are timed on turf, so the Regional times will be faster than at The Opening.

 

[Hammer Of The Gods]

The Opening is laser timed. It is also done on grass. A lot of the Regional camps are timed on turf, so the Regional times will be faster than at The Opening.

Exactly. like i said earlier in the thread. Way to many variables to account for when running the 40, especially for a high schooler.

Hell, the wrong damn song could of been blasting through his beats. let alone grass vs turf. maybe the made him where cleats he's not used to, maybe hes only ran the 40 in track shoes, so many things to consider.

 

[PANDFAN]

his team is up for the next game

 

[CanadalovesND]

Looks like he was bumped DOWN in 247 rankings.

Now a three-star. Rating dropped from 90 to 88.

 

[NCND]

Looks like he was bumped DOWN in 247 rankings.

Now a three-star. Rating dropped from 90 to 88.

Yay

 

[Cackalacky]

Looks like he was bumped DOWN in 247 rankings.

Now a three-star. Rating dropped from 90 to 88.

Clasic

 

[Crazy Balki]

C'mon 247. That's something I'd expect from Rivals. There is nothing to warrant a drop down, heck, he should have gone up a few points. I don't know what they're smoking over at 247.

 

[NDPhilly]

Didn't do anything to really warrant a ratings drop, but I kinda agree with the new rating. Don't think his ceiling is very high.

 

[CanadalovesND]

Didn't do anything to really warrant a ratings drop, but I kinda agree with the new rating. Don't think his ceiling is very high.

Speed issue?

Seems to do everything very well on his tape, despite his limited carries (70).

 

[Crazy Balki]

Didn't do anything to really warrant a ratings drop, but I kinda agree with the new rating. Don't think his ceiling is very high.

I don't agree. Speed isn't his game, power is, and the Opening didn't really let him display his best traits. The dude was one of the strongest backs at the event and he showed excellent hands in passing drills. I think he can shed a few milliseconds off his 40 and get down into the lower 4.6's but that's all he needs. The dude has a pretty darn high ceiling as a power back.

Kadeem Carey was one of the best backs while he was at Arizona, and not only was he smaller than Tony, but he ran a slower 40 time at the combine.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I would be interested to see why 247 dropped him.

Jones was very impressive at The Opening. He understands the game and can execute. He consistently took the right angles and leverage on his routes. Jones also displayed the ability to consistently catch the football. That goes back to his success on the diamond.

I am not saying 247 isn't justified in dropping him, but he looked as good as any RB there outside of DeMario McCall, who is a speed back. 247 didnt have a lot of their experts at The Opening either, so intrigued to see if Simmons magically decided to watch Tony Jones Jr. for the ND guys that weren't there and decided to drop him.

 

[BeauBenken]

I would be interested to see why 247 dropped him.

Jones was very impressive at The Opening. He understands the game and can execute. He consistently took the right angles and leverage on his routes. Jones also displayed the ability to consistently catch the football. That goes back to his success on the diamond.

I am not saying 247 isn't justified in dropping him, but he looked as good as any RB there outside of DeMario McCall, who is a speed back. 247 didnt have a lot of their experts at The Opening either, so intrigued to see if Simmons magically decided to watch Tony Jones Jr. for the ND guys that weren't there and decided to drop him.

But bro, he ran a 4.66...

 

[Crazy Balki]

But bro, he ran a 4.66...

4.68, but it's it shouldn't matter. The so called "experts" at 247 should've known that he wasn't going to run a fast 40 time. That's just not his style of game. Honestly, he's probably faster than 4.68, but he showed well more at the Opening to make up for it, and earn a boost, not a drop. 247 dropped the ball big time, no debate there.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Opening times tend to be slower across the board.

I agree with TP. I think this kid has all the ceiling he needs. (His hands alone more than make up for a flashy 40 time.) His shuttle was pretty good at 4.41, for a big guy.

And the thing I like best about him :

“It has been good to hang with Tommy and Parker this week too,” stated Jones. “I got to really meet them and it was cool. I am grateful for them and Liam to be blocking for me while I am at Notre Dame. I am blessed and happy for a line like that.

 

[NCND]

Wonder how Mr. Sunshine Tom Loy will reply to this.

 

[NDPhilly]

Opening times tend to be slower across the board.

I agree with TP. I think this kid has all the ceiling he needs. (His hands alone more than make up for a flashy 40 time.) His shuttle was pretty good at 4.41, for a big guy.

And the thing I like best about him :

No opening times tend to be faster. These kids are running times basically equivalent to players at the NFL combine while being 3/4 years younger.

 

[OCIrish]

Wonder how Mr. Sunshine Tom Loy will reply to this.

Probably with a ray of sunshine coming from his rose colored ass cheeks......

 

[peoriairish]

TP putting out some great stuff

@TheIrishTP: How one #NotreDame commit is falling victim to hidden agendas of recruiting services.

Irish Turning Point - Tony Jones Jr: Vicitim Of The Recruiting Business http://twitter.com/TheIrishTP/status/622836577685733376/photo/1

 

[Crazy Balki]

TP putting out some great stuff

@TheIrishTP: How one #NotreDame commit is falling victim to hidden agendas of recruiting services.

Irish Turning Point - Tony Jones Jr: Vicitim Of The Recruiting Business http://twitter.com/TheIrishTP/status/622836577685733376/photo/1

Preach. This is one of the most head scratching and undeserving drops I've seen in quite a while. I started a thread on ISD about this issue. Glad to see I'm not the only one calling out 247 for this. Total blunder on their part.

 

[ColinKSU]

TP putting out some great stuff

@TheIrishTP: How one #NotreDame commit is falling victim to hidden agendas of recruiting services.

Irish Turning Point - Tony Jones Jr: Vicitim Of The Recruiting Business http://twitter.com/TheIrishTP/status/622836577685733376/photo/1

It seems silly to drop him, given the circumstances, but it's not like it has any impact on him as an on-field player. I'm sure he'll be whatever he's destined to be, regardless of what he drops or is elevated to in the rankings.

 

[peoriairish]

BTW... lol at Loy fair in his assessments

 

[Bogtrotter07]

TP putting out some great stuff

@TheIrishTP: How one #NotreDame commit is falling victim to hidden agendas of recruiting services.

Irish Turning Point - Tony Jones Jr: Vicitim Of The Recruiting Business http://twitter.com/TheIrishTP/status/622836577685733376/photo/1

This article is great, point by point, word by word.

As a matter of fact the same could be considered true (loosely) for Chase Claypool. For a kid that stunned so many, he hardly profited from any of the services.

Instead of getting mad, (I am not going to let any butt cheese piss me off!) I tend to think in another direction. With Tony and Chase, is this an example of Kelly's staff being able to evaluate more clearly, with less bias, and recognizing that these kids are just what the program needs, as opposed to some of the hyped up kids that may not fit the program as well?

Stars are like bars... some overrated, some underrated and you just don't really know until you see what's inside of them. The Irish coaching staff seen enough of this young man to offer him a scholly at a position of need. That should be good enough for now.

Does this mean ND gives all their recruits proctologic exams?