FSU Criminal Investigations

[Wingman Ray]

Guy is a pathetic punk. Granted, she was out of control herself but never an excuse to hit a female (please note I didnt say lady).

Couple of pathetic points:

1) Sadly her arms were bigger than his
2) Clear, open shot to the snout and still didnt take her out

Conclusion: She probably could have taken his wimpy self in an even rumble

 

[Wingman Ray]

Florida State Seminoles QB De'Andre Johnson dismissed by program after video shows him striking woman at bar

Good old Jimbo. He's known about the incident for almost two weeks and only when the video becomes public does he dismiss the scumbag from the team. If the video had never been released, the kid would've served a brief suspension and it would all have been swept under the rug. Jimbo is seriously the worst piece of shit in all of college football.

Absolutely. I wonder if Auburn has contacted the guy yet?

 

[nsisk157]

He is alleging she called him a racial slur.

"We're told ... Johnson is adamant the woman dropped the N-bomb when Johnson initially bumped into her at the bar ... saying, "Get off me you f**king n**ger."

Johnson's rep says there are witnesses at the bar who also claim they heard the racial slur ... and they're willing to testify in court."


Florida State Bar Fight -- She Called Me The N-Word ... QB Claims | TMZ.com

 

[dales5050]

She might have thrown first punch... but he grabs her first. She's literally trying to get him off of her.

Per witnesses, what happened was (and it's sad because of course there is no audio in a loud-as-hell bar so we can't hear for ourselves) he started pushing past her and she said something to him, he got mad at her mouthing off and grabbed her, she tried to get free and kneed him in the chest (hard to see on video) and then swatted at him... and then we all see him step back, load up, and destroy her face with a right cross.

I watched the video and that is not what I see.

0:05 - Both try to get a spot at the bar

0:06 - Girl gets her spot at the bar

0:07-0:09 - Girl leans back and says something. The way her head bobbles it's obvious she is drunk. She continues to chirp.

0:12 - She slides down to the left and throws her ass out. He grabs the bar to get a hold of something and pull himself in.

0:14 - She turns around and says something to him.

0:15 - She clenches her fist and raises her arm. Which is an act of aggression and continues to chirp.

0:18 - He grabs her wrist and pushes it away from him and towards her chest. They continue to chip for about 5 seconds.

0:22 - She punches him in the face with her free arm.

0:23 - He hits her back.

0:25 - Her useless girlfriends come and console her.

0:27 - Useless girlfriend #3 tells the bartender a one sided story of how her friend was just assaulted.

The only logical conclusion to this video is as follows:

> The bar should be fined for serving underage kids.
> Both of these two are idiots for being in this situation.
> The guy, from my understanding of the law, acted in self defense.

Now I know there might be some SJW out there who should say you should never hit a girl and I agree with this. But ask yourself this.

Just what do you think would have happened to the girl if she clocked the guy with a ring on her and and messed up his vision for life? Even if he just stood there and took the punch, which is what most men would do...nothing would happen to her.

Two wrongs don't make a right but I personally feel sorry for a woman who hits a man. I don't agree with it. I would never do it. But I don't feel sorry for them when something like this happens.


Lastly, it's really poor form to order drinks in the service well. Rookies.

 

[EuropeanDomer22]

The level of violence of Johnson's punch was way harder than the ""punch"" delivered by the woman. And the claim of "self defense" is OK and i understand it but c'mon, his life was not in danger or something like that, his best defense would have been walk away and forget that moment.

 

[connor_in]

Looks like it's totally his fault to me. But I can see how some might say she was being aggressive too. I just don't think her cocking a fist calls for him to grab her and eventually cold-clock her.

The one thing I have an issue with is the treatment of this as being something that immediately gets you dismissed from school. That doesn't help anybody out IMO. He should get his ass ran into the ground, should be forced to go to some women's violence clinics, and should have to write a letter of apology. Taking away his education though? Though I like the idea of FSU being down a scholarship, it seems counterproductive to me.

opens up a schollie and makes it look like the school has a backbone and is a disciplinarian - plus he wasn't gonna be "the guy"

 

[greyhammer90]

He is alleging she called him a racial slur.

"We're told ... Johnson is adamant the woman dropped the N-bomb when Johnson initially bumped into her at the bar ... saying, "Get off me you f**king n**ger."

Johnson's rep says there are witnesses at the bar who also claim they heard the racial slur ... and they're willing to testify in court."


Florida State Bar Fight -- She Called Me The N-Word ... QB Claims | TMZ.com

 

[kmoose]

Just because someone initiates a percieved aggressive act doesn't give the defender carte blanche to retaliate however they feel like it.

A thrown punch is not "a perceived aggressive act", it IS an aggressive act.

If you think a swing from a 100 something pound girl and a haymaker from a male D1 athlete are equivalent use of force I don't know what to tell you.

I don't need you to tell me anything.

Without knowing what was said, and without excusing him for throwing a Mike Tyson punch at a girl.......... she did punch him first.

I did said that it didn't excuse him throwing a haymaker, but the bottom line is that she threw the first punch.

Not once, but twice I said that I don't think it excuses the disparate force applied.

 

[BeauBenken]

I am amazed at some of the misogynists on this board. Probably raised by wife beaters.

Is this a joke?

 

[Huntr]

Dismissed from team. Finally.

 

[dales5050]

The level of violence of Johnson's punch was way harder than the ""punch"" delivered by the woman. And the claim of "self defense" is OK and i understand it but c'mon, his life was not in danger or something like that, his best defense would have been walk away and forget that moment.

It was nasty. No doubt about it. I also think it was instinct combined with being drunk and not having the ability to think things through.

Looks like he is going to pay the price and then some. I just hope something happens to her as well.

If true that she called him the 'n word' I think it would be just to have her name attached to that comment for all of time in google.

 

[greyhammer90]

If true that she called him the 'n word' I think it would be just to have her name attached to that comment for all of time in google.

The problem is that it will be attached to her name for all time whether she did or not.

 

[kmoose]

Is this a joke?

Probably not. To the White Knights in Shining Armor of the world, the presence of ovaries is enough to excuse one from any and all real world repercussions for their actions. And if you disagree, you obviously hate women and have deep-seated mental issues.

 

[IrishInFl]

I am amazed at some of the misogynists on this board. Probably raised by wife beaters.

 

[jerboski]

She didn't just "cock" her fist. She punched him. Women want equal rights. Well, here you go.... you have the equal right to get blasted if you punch someone bigger than you.

So he pushes his way to the bar and at one point grabs her and you blame her for kneeing and throwing a punch at him..... If it is my daughter the moment he grabs her wrist, I want her swinging on him like her life depends on it. This is ridiculous, he clearly tried to force his way to the front of the bar, she confronted him about it and once he grabbed her she went nuts but at no point was he in real danger and for him to blast her like that was pure trash... I think you would have a very different take on this if you have a daughter or if that girl was your daughter

 

[IrishInFl]

Probably not. To the White Knights in Shining Armor of the world, the presence of ovaries is enough to excuse one from any and all real world repercussions for their actions. And if you disagree, you obviously hate women and have deep-seated mental issues.

 

[gkIrish]

So he pushes his way to the bar and at one point grabs her and you blame her for kneeing and throwing a punch at him..... If it is my daughter the moment he grabs her wrist, I want her swinging on him like her life depends on it. This is ridiculous, he clearly tried to force his way to the front of the bar, she confronted him about it and once he grabbed her she went nuts but at no point was he in real danger and for him to blast her like that was pure trash... I think you would have a very different take on this if you have a daughter or if that girl was your daughter

Have you ever been in a crowded college bar? He did exactly what I would do to try and get to that open spot in the bar. Try and squeeze through by turning your back to the bar. He never pushes anyone with his hands and hesitates for a few seconds each time he tries to push through. Basically just tries to move his hips through the logjam. It's fairly standard procedure.

Again I am in no way condoning the punch he threw but some people are trying to act like he was shoving people out of the way to escalate this which isn't true.

 

[ACamp1900]

I heard said perfectly this morning the point I was trying to convey yesterday... a man has a right to self defense against anyone, women included,.. but this wasn't self defense, this was retaliation... and that's not okay.

 

[dales5050]

The problem is that it will be attached to her name for all time whether she did or not.

So?

That's how it goes these days. Just ask Paul Nungesse.

Equality is equality.......

 

[gkIrish]

I heard said perfectly this morning the point I was trying to convey yesterday... a man has a right to self defense against anyone, women included,.. but this wasn't self defense, this was retaliation... and that's not okay.

Agree 100%

 

[jerboski]

Have you ever been in a crowded college bar? He did exactly what I would do to try and get to that open spot in the bar. Try and squeeze through by turning your back to the bar. He never pushes anyone with his hands. Basically just tries to move his hips through the logjam. It's fairly standard procedure.

Again I am in no way condoning the punch he threw but some people are trying to act like he was shoving people out of the way to escalate this which isn't true.

I've been in many bars and have never seen a guy blast a girl in the face like that, whether he pushed her with his hands or body is irrelevant, he was being aggressive in trying to get in front of her or in her spot and she yelled at him and that's when the argument starts, she clinched her fist at him, probably telling him to backoff, and that's when he grabbed her at that point she got physical but can you blame her, I don't.

 

[greyhammer90]

So?

That's how it goes these days. Just ask Paul Nungesse.

Equality is equality.......

lol wut?

Please tell me how one human-being being wrongfully accused of being a rapist makes it OK for another human-being to be wrongfully accused of being a racist.

That's not equality, that's you saying "girls sometimes wrongfully accuse men of doing bad things, so men deserve to do the same" which is asinine because this girl has nothing to do with the Nuungesser situation other than that she is a girl (i.e. 50% of the population). I understand making fun of white knights but damn guys.

 

[greyhammer90]

So?

That's how it goes these days. Just ask Paul Nungesse.

Equality is equality.......

It's actually pretty amazing (and telling) that you even brought gender politics into my comment. I said it as a comment about the internet era and how even if this girl did nothing wrong there are certain circles where she will always be viewed as a racist. I don't understand how someone who is against the Nungesser situation could look at that kind of injustice and say "So?".

 

[BeauBenken]

Have you ever been in a crowded college bar? He did exactly what I would do to try and get to that open spot in the bar. Try and squeeze through by turning your back to the bar. He never pushes anyone with his hands and hesitates for a few seconds each time he tries to push through. Basically just tries to move his hips through the logjam. It's fairly standard procedure.

Again I am in no way condoning the punch he threw but some people are trying to act like he was shoving people out of the way to escalate this which isn't true.

I'm starting to think a lot of people in this thread HAVEN'T been to a crowded college bar. I've seen much more forceful ways to the bar before.

 

[CrystalHead]

If he felt he didn't do anything wrong then why did he run? He knew what he did and he knew he was screwed the moment the punch connected. He was just trying not to be recognized.

 

[ACamp1900]

Honestly, I fully expected him to claim that, it's like the only thing that may (not that it should) get him out of this...

 

[IrishLax]

I'm starting to think a lot of people in this thread HAVEN'T been to a crowded college bar. I've seen much more forceful ways to the bar before.

Yeah, and I've also seen that approach result in fights or, at minimum, someone yelling at somebody for pushing them

The girl in the video clearly isn't some peach... but there simply is no justification -- ever -- for putting your hands on someone because they mouthed off.

 

[dales5050]

lol wut?

Please tell me how one human-being being wrongfully accused of being a rapist makes it OK for another human-being to be wrongfully accused of being a racist.

Both should be judged in the court of public opinion. I just listed one case against a man. I could list many more.

The reality is we somehow can stomach women hitting men and women falsely accusing men without any real repercussions. But when a woman is the subject, somehow it's unjust. That's sad.

Maybe when more women are falsely accused of things, we as a society, will then learn to vet out accusations better.

Until then.....

lThat's not equality, that's you saying "girls sometimes wrongfully accuse men of doing bad things, so men deserve to do the same" which is asinine because this girl has nothing to do with the Nuungesser situation other than that she is a girl (i.e. 50% of the population). I understand making fun of white knights but damn guys.

It's equal treatment in a incorrect social structure.

If this women is labeled a racist, she is connected to the Nuungesser situation, the duke situation and all of the other cases where facts used in the court of public opinion.

 

[GoldenDome]

Probably not. To the White Knights in Shining Armor of the world, the presence of ovaries is enough to excuse one from any and all real world repercussions for their actions. And if you disagree, you obviously hate women and have deep-seated mental issues.

Totally agree. If you raise your fist at someone, that is assault, period. She is no angel and should be prosecuted as well.

 

[ACamp1900]

Totally agree. If you raise your fist at someone, that is assault, period. She is no angel and should be prosecuted as well.

I mean, I will have zero problems if she is prosecuted... and I would say the vast majority of people, male or female, who get into these situations 'aren't angels'... but again, as a man, you don't use THAT amount of force on any woman unless you are in serious harm's way, which he wasn't.