South Carolina Cop Charged with Murder

[irishff1014]

I don't want to confuse this issue any more, but to simply answer your questions, the best guess may be that there is more to this situation than even this story. I have already heard rumblings of dirt, criminal activity, and racism, affecting this particular police force, (North Charleston.)

• Other sources have indicated that there are previous incidents. (As of yet unsubstantiated.)
• None of the police cars involved appear to have viable dash-cam video of the event, even though they were equipped with said devices.
• Some rumors of "dirty cops", or other malfeasance by officers of this force on an institutional level.
• Parts of all officer reports disputed by video events captured by bystander. In otherwords, more than one cop filed a written report that contridicted the video evidence, that the officers did not know existed at the time they filed their reports.

The story I watched on CBS news last night said that the in car camera view would be available by the weekend. But I doubt the this officers camera will do any good since they ran away from the vehicles. Now another car might be able to see if the officer helped the way they say they did.

 

[ND NYC]

does anybody know what company makes police body cameras? I want to pick up some of their stock.

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[irishff1014]

You're not missing a thing. The steps, speed and efficiency of the mayor should be applauded. They don't take the time to think things through.

I would say this as a whole though. You would think a politician for that area would be very supportive of the positive actions by those leaders for review the facts and find him at fault, then charging him and firing him.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

very surprised the video (from a phone) did not have audio. I bet it was stripped of before being posted by the services. or, it was so low that it didn't translate well. if the later, i'm sure they can have one of their tech heads amplify it.

I'm not sure what you mean. There is audio on the video. You can hear the shots and the person filming. It just seemed to be too far from the cop and victim to hear them. Unless that's what you meant.

 

[BGIF]

does anybody know what company makes police body cameras? I want to pick up some of their stock.

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There are several. Taser Int is up 150% since Michael Brown.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'm not sure what you mean. There is audio on the video. You can hear the shots and the person filming. It just seemed to be too far from the cop and victim to hear them. Unless that's what you meant.

I was responding to GoIrish. I couldn't hear anything either.

 

[GoIrish41]

very surprised the video (from a phone) did not have audio. I bet it was stripped of before being posted by the services. or, it was so low that it didn't translate well. if the later, i'm sure they can have one of their tech heads amplify it.

I think it was because they were too far away, because like JayHawk said, you can hear louder and closer sounds on the video.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

I was responding to GoIrish. I couldn't hear anything either.

Okay. The video does have audio. You two must not be getting it for some reason. I couldn't make out anything from the cop or victim. You can hear the reaction of the man filming.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

People started a fundraising campaign for Slager. What the heck...

GoFundMe Shuts Down Campaign For Officer Charged With Murder Of Walter Scott

 

[NDohio]

Okay. The video does have audio. You two must not be getting it for some reason. I couldn't make out anything from the cop or victim. You can hear the reaction of the man filming.

I did see a video that showed captions of part of the conversations between the two police officers. I don't know what the site was though - it was on someone's phone. There is definitely audio though.

 

[GoIrish41]

I did see a video that showed captions of part of the conversations between the two police officers. I don't know what the site was though - it was on someone's phone. There is definitely audio though.

What I was referring to is the conversation between the cop and the guy he shot prior to everything turning to shit. I know there is sound on the video, I think they were just too far away for the sound to be captured. We probably will never know exactly what was said in those few seconds before the guy took off because the cop killed him, and then tried to plant his taser to make it look like he took it -- which would have given him a reason to shoot.

 

[BGIF]

People started a fundraising campaign for Slager. What the heck...

GoFundMe Shuts Down Campaign For Officer Charged With Murder Of Walter Scott

The right to a defense and a trial is still a right in this country despite moral outrage and the self righteous. I should think as a champion of rights you'd be criticizing GoFundMe for shutting down a defense fund.

He has a pregnant wife. Should she be tossed in the street to assuage your outrage?

He's already lost his job although there was no local Internal Affairs investigation and hearing. Investigations were turned over to the State. IF Slager falsified his report, which hasn't been released, he's still entitled to a hearing prior to termination.

Was Slager a racist waiting 5 years and 5 months for an opportunity to gun down a minority depriving Scott of his civil rights as well as his life? The Feds will look into that as they did in Brown And as they did in Trayvon and found no evidence of civil rights violations in those shootings.

Or was Slager a cop who overreacted in an adreline pumped moment in the heat of confrontation? He's still responsible for his actions just like Officer Al, the Twinkie Cop in Die Hard who shot a kid with a toy gun. Al wasn't a bad cop or a bad man. He made a bad decision in an intense moment with a deadly consequence. It happens and without motive.

There is no film of the initial stop, the initial confrontation, the foot chase, nor the confrontation with the taser which resulted in the taser laying on the ground. was there a struggle for the cop's gun ala Ferguson nor an eyewitness testifying under oath that Trayvon was on top beating Zimmerman.

I said in my initial post that the video did not show justification for the shooting. It appears a bad shoot. But Slager is still entitled to a hearing and a trial and he's entitled to a defense. And some racists may contribute to a defense fund, the act of contributing to a defense fund does not make everyone who does so a racist.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Good points BGIF. I was just thinking the exact same thing! But then I shook my head and said, "Naw!" It seems as though North Charleston is taking care of his pregnant wife, and they should be lauded for the same.

But there are a couple of differences between this guy and Officer Al, the Twinkie cop.

1. This is reality, that was a movie; not just any movie, a very entertaining one from a series that boasts the most improbable plots, (mechanics) and character development of any successful movie in Hollywood history!
2. The other and more major difference is : The officer involved in the shooting in North Charleston walked up to the victim and dropped the taser next to him after shooting and handcuffing him. Even in the movie Al was portrayed as having a conscience. But not this guy . . .

Point next : many have commented on the "staged", or surreal quality of this video. This is reality. This is what handgun murder (taking out any conversation about justification) looks like. People are so used to the staged, slow motion, artistic deaths that they see on TV, that when they see something approaching reality, their natural urge to resist the horror, when coupled with the different look and feel of the portrayed event causes them to want to reject the event. But some here can attest to the fact that it never happens as leisurely as iportrayed n the movies!

Point next : The new frame around this story isn't just the video of the single witness and the shooter cop. There are a number of videos from after the shooting, and as many as a half-dozen cops on the scene. AT LEAST FOUR LIED IN OFFICIAL REPORTS ABOUT CPR BEING ADMINISTERED! None of the video's show any attempt to administer CPR. And that is what the state investigators are going to look into. A half-dozen officers, a dead civilian on the ground, handcuffed and shot five times in the back and head.

Point last : The police chief and mayor cooked their own goose. Did you see their initial coverage? Why did they go in front of the press to make anything but a simple statement anyway? That was political suicide! So the Chief hesitated out of his own shock and grief at what he saw, and the mayor made a totaly half-assed statement about not all officers were trained in CPR. I believe they tried to do the right thing, but that media session negated any good actions they have done.

 

[goldandblue]

The body cameras are a great idea but keep in mind the officer controls when the camera is on and off....

 

[NDdomer2]

Soap:

Witness to S.C. police shooting ‘thought about erasing the video’

North Charleston police officer Michael Slager ‘didn’t create any issues nor was he an award winner’

 

[IrishLax]

The body cameras are a great idea but keep in mind the officer controls when the camera is on and off....

Not necessarily, I think there are some that turn on automatically any time an officer exits his vehicle.

 

[NDdomer2]

The body cameras are a great idea but keep in mind the officer controls when the camera is on and off....

And if one happens to be off during an occuremce that comes to question the officer would have to answer to that don't u think? Would raise a couple extra eyebrows, no?

 

[Grahambo]

There's the underlying theme as well.

 

[dylan020]

does anybody know what company makes police body cameras? I want to pick up some of their stock.

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Ironically, TASER does. There are a bunch of brands. I bought a small one similar to the one used in "End of Watch" years ago to cover my a$$ and boy did it help when the brass tried to go no lube on me.

I think they're a pain to download the data and the support for them is usually massive when considering a whole department. They're not just clip on and go, there has to be quite a bit of infrastructure when a 100+ officer department uses them. Despite that, I don't mind using one at all. Kinda funny, most folks tend to act completely different once they know theyre being recorded.

 

[Grahambo]

Ironically, TASER does. There are a bunch of brands. I bought a small one similar to the one used in "End of Watch" years ago to cover my a$$ and boy did it help when the brass tried to go no lube on me.

I think they're a pain to download the data and the support for them is usually massive when considering a whole department. They're not just clip on and go, there has to be quite a bit of infrastructure when a 100+ officer department uses them. Despite that, I don't mind using one at all. Kinda funny, most folks tend to act completely different once they know theyre being recorded.

I am 100% full support for body cameras, not for the civilians, but for the protection of police.

 

[Catholics_Rule]

The media just released footage from the police camera of the person fleeing.

I'm not passing judgement either way but my father is a retired police officer and I pray as thank God everyday he's retired. The video looks damning but The media is so fast getting information out that I figured more would eventually be released.

 

[dylan020]

I am 100% full support for body cameras, not for the civilians, but for the protection of police.

This!

 

[NDdomer2]

The media just released footage from the police camera of the person fleeing.

I'm not passing judgement either way but my father is a retired police officer and I pray as thank God everyday he's retired. The video looks damning but The media is so fast getting information out that I figured more would eventually be released.

Why u no post?

 

[Catholics_Rule]

Here's footage from CNN.

South Carolina police shooting: Dash cam video released - CNN.com

 

[woolybug25]

The media just released footage from the police camera of the person fleeing.

I'm not passing judgement either way but my father is a retired police officer and I pray as thank God everyday he's retired. The video looks damning but The media is so fast getting information out that I figured more would eventually be released.

I have cop family members as well, and I see no problem passing judgement off of the video. It clearly shows him shooting a fleeing person for "grabbing his taser" in the back 8 times in a public area. Then proceeds to show that he still has the taser on his possession. To make matters worse, they then handcuff him on his stomach instead of turning the dying man over to perform CPR.

I understand that policemen have difficult jobs and have to make hard calls. But this clearly isn't one of them. With what you can see, I don't see how its reasonable to believe that there would be some strange circumstance that would mitigate this gross failure of protocol and morality.

 

[Circa]

Any chance this starts an escalation of sorts where the cops start carrying taser's only and they start the progression of "Gun Free America" through our law enforcement first?

 

[IrishinSyria]

Any chance this starts an escalation of sorts where the cops start carrying taser's only and they start the progression of "Gun Free America" through our law enforcement first?

Really doubt it, but it's too bad. Low gun countries are great.

 

[Irish Insanity]

And if one happens to be off during an occuremce that comes to question the officer would have to answer to that don't u think? Would raise a couple extra eyebrows, no?

It's easier to 'justify' why it was off than it is to explain why you shot a fleeing man 8 times until he died and planted evidence to make the victim look the aggressor.

 

[NDdomer2]

It's easier to 'justify' why it was off than it is to explain why you shot a fleeing man 8 times until he died and planted evidence to make the victim look the aggressor.

I fully agree, but its going to raise suspicions that would have to be answered is all. Still better for both sides to have IMO.

 

[Circa]

It's easier to 'justify' why it was off than it is to explain why you shot a fleeing man 8 times until he died and planted evidence to make the victim look the aggressor.

Just think. If he was a smart man. He would have only had to kneel down and act like he gave a fuck, he coulda slid It under the body. Too bad he was caught up in his own self preservation