2016 Presidential Horse Race

[EddytoNow]

Cruz is not a legitimate contender for president. How much media attention do you think he should get? The same amount that Bill Richardson got when he ran for president in
2008? Richardson was crowded out of the race by Obama and Hillary, and nobody gave serious consideration to how great it would be to have a latino as president back then either ... because nobody thought he was ever going to be president. Cruz has a much worse chance of becoming president than Richardson ever did.

Obama is bi-racial and favors policies that provide opportunities for blacks to improve their standing through educational opportunities and employment. He hasn't called for 12 million blacks to be returned to their country of origin. He supports spending programs that help the poor, a large percentage of whom are black. Hillary Clinton is a woman and favors policies, such as equal opportunity and equal pay for women. She has not called for the massive export of women. She supports spending programs that provide equal opportunity for women in education and employment.

Cruz is Latino, but opposes virtually every government program that would provide educational and employment opportunities for Latinos and other minority groups. He supports the deportation of 12 million immigrants, the vast majority of whom are Latino. His policies and programs would help the rich get richer while holding down those in his own race.

I see some differences in the above, two of the above (Obama and Hillary) support others in their own racial or gender group both in words and in actions. The third seems to think he's above dealing with those of his own race. Is it any wonder that Hillary and Obama have the majority of support in the groups from which they belong? Cruz would have a hard time drawing 10% of the Latino vote in a presidential election. It's not the media that has disowned Cruz, it is those who claim the same Latino heritage. In their eyes, Cruz has sold out.

 

[Emcee77]

Cruz is not a legitimate contender for president. How much media attention do you think he should get? The same amount that Bill Richardson got when he ran for president in
2008? Richardson was crowded out of the race by Obama and Hillary, and nobody gave serious consideration to how great it would be to have a latino as president back then either ... because nobody thought he was ever going to be president. Cruz has a much worse chance of becoming president than Richardson ever did.

Right, I was going to say something similar. It's kind of like Herman Cain running for president. The minority angle would be a bigger deal if anyone thought it was really going to happen.

Cruz is Latino, but opposes virtually every government program that would provide educational and employment opportunities for Latinos and other minority groups. He supports the deportation of 12 million immigrants, the vast majority of whom are Latino.

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Cruz would have a hard time drawing 10% of the Latino vote in a presidential election. It's not the media that has disowned Cruz, it is those who claim the same Latino heritage. In their eyes, Cruz has sold out.

This too. I shouldn't speak for a group I don't belong to, but I'm not sure how much pride most Latinos would take in Cruz being elected president, to the extent he is opposed to certain policies they favor.

 

[Wild Bill]

Obama is bi-racial and favors policies that provide opportunities for blacks to improve their standing through educational opportunities and employment. He hasn't called for 12 million blacks to be returned to their country of origin. He supports spending programs that help the poor, a large percentage of whom are black. Hillary Clinton is a woman and favors policies, such as equal opportunity and equal pay for women. She has not called for the massive export of women. She supports spending programs that provide equal opportunity for women in education and employment.

Cruz is Latino, but opposes virtually every government program that would provide educational and employment opportunities for Latinos and other minority groups. He supports the deportation of 12 million immigrants, the vast majority of whom are Latino. His policies and programs would help the rich get richer while holding down those in his own race.

I think we should encourage Latinos to take a close look at Obama's policies and their affects on so-called black communities. I doubt they'll be impressed. That's just one white man's opinion, though.

 

[phgreek]

Obama is bi-racial and favors policies that provide opportunities for blacks to improve their standing through educational opportunities and employment. He hasn't called for 12 million blacks to be returned to their country of origin. He supports spending programs that help the poor, a large percentage of whom are black. Hillary Clinton is a woman and favors policies, such as equal opportunity and equal pay for women. She has not called for the massive export of women. She supports spending programs that provide equal opportunity for women in education and employment.

Cruz is Latino, but opposes virtually every government program that would provide educational and employment opportunities for Latinos and other minority groups. He supports the deportation of 12 million immigrants, the vast majority of whom are Latino. His policies and programs would help the rich get richer while holding down those in his own race.

I see some differences in the above, two of the above (Obama and Hillary) support others in their own racial or gender group both in words and in actions. The third seems to think he's above dealing with those of his own race. Is it any wonder that Hillary and Obama have the majority of support in the groups from which they belong? Cruz would have a hard time drawing 10% of the Latino vote in a presidential election. It's not the media that has disowned Cruz, it is those who claim the same Latino heritage. In their eyes, Cruz has sold out.

...and Romney was a rich white guy...nothing distasteful about him looking out for Rich White males with policies then?

When did identity politics become so acceptable?

I get the point why Ted Cruz is not the best bet for Latinos who are looking for "help" ...
but thats a strange way to look at the presidency.

 

[EddytoNow]

...and Romney was a rich white guy...nothing distasteful about him looking out for Rich White males with policies then?

When did identity politics become so acceptable?

I get the point why Ted Cruz is not the best bet for Latinos who are looking for "help" ...
but thats a strange way to look at the presidency.

Romney had strong support among rich white guys because he was looking out for his own. The point of the original post was that Cruz was not gettting the media attention that one would expect for one of the first Latino candidates ever. My point was that Cruz does not have widespread acceptance among Latinos, and that keeps the media from promoting him as a Latino leader. If Cruz was out front fighting for the issues Latinos consider important, he would have more credibility.

Democrats would love to have a presidential race with Cruz as the Republican candidate. He is a marginal candidate supported by those who want to see the Federal government eliminated.

 

[phgreek]

Romney had strong support among rich white guys because he was looking out for his own. The point of the original post was that Cruz was not gettting the media attention that one would expect for one of the first Latino candidates ever. My point was that Cruz does not have widespread acceptance among Latinos, and that keeps the media from promoting him as a Latino leader. If Cruz was out front fighting for the issues Latinos consider important, he would have more credibility.

Democrats would love to have a presidential race with Cruz as the Republican candidate. He is a marginal candidate supported by those who want to see the Federal government eliminated.

I think you don't know Romney. He had a message that was business friendly...that has 0 to do with ethnicity, gender, etc.

as I said I understand Cruz disconnect w/latino folks based on how you presented it.

Based on how you made your point it just sounds to me like everyone is reduced to their political identity group, and we should expect nothing more from candidates or the populous....and in fact people should expect a Latino president who looks out for Latinos...Thats not my belief in how shit should work...

I have enjoyed watching reaction to Ted Cruz from both sides of the aisle. I haven't laughed this much in 20 years. I don't think he ever had a shot, nor did I think HE thought he had a shot, nor do I think I'd vote for him. Interestingly enough, he brings forth a message senator Paul said is not entirely different from his own, but that it lacks the intellectual components, and is all red meet...I agree. No one runs that way who is serious about winning. Had Ted Cruz spent the last 9 months moderating his positions I'd take him serious.

 

[GoIrish41]

I think you don't know Romney. He had a message that was business friendly...that has 0 to do with ethnicity, gender, etc.

as I said I understand Cruz disconnect w/latino folks based on how you presented it.

Based on how you made your point it just sounds to me like everyone is reduced to their political identity group, and we should expect nothing more from candidates or the populous....and in fact people should expect a Latino president who looks out for Latinos...Thats not my belief in how shit should work...

I have enjoyed watching reaction to Ted Cruz from both sides of the aisle. I haven't laughed this much in 20 years. I don't think he ever had a shot, nor did I think HE thought he had a shot, nor do I think I'd vote for him. Interestingly enough, he brings forth a message senator Paul said is not entirely different from his own, but that it lacks the intellectual components, and is all red meet...I agree. No one runs that way who is serious about winning. Had Ted Cruz spent the last 9 months moderating his positions I'd take him serious.

+1 on the bolded. I don't think it should work that way either, but, unfortunately for many it does.

My original point on Cruz having no shot at the oval office had nothing to do with the fact that he is Latino. In fact, I sometimes forget that he is because his beliefs seem to be such a polar opposite from those that are attributed to that ethnic group. That's neither here nor there ... I think he's never going to be presiddent because he is so deliberately provacative. His position is nearly always against something (anything that Obama is for, particularly healthcare programs that bear his name). He doesn't really seem to stand for anything except a position that is so far to the right that even the right wingers in his party have grown to disassociate themselves with him. He comes off as a phony who is lecturing the nation when he speaks, and his political stunts seem to backfire more often than not. When he pulled the strings to push the House to shut down the government, he probably sealed his fate. When he was advocating to do it a second time, he became a political cartoon of himself. He can win in Texas because it is a red state with sometimes heavy handed political ideas and a pull yourself up by the bootstraps, cowboy, macho mentality, but he wouldn't stand a chance in a national election. None of that is because he is a Latino ... its just because he's a jackass.

 

[EddytoNow]

I agree that a presidential candidate should represent the whole nation, not any particular sub-group. However, the original post on this topic implied that Cruz was not receiving enough media attention for being a Latino candidate. The post implied that Obama had received lots of attention for being a black candidate and that Hillary was receiving lots of attention for being a woman candidate. The question was posed as to why Cruz wasn't being touted as the Latino candidate.

I suggested that it was because he was Latino in surname only, not in the policies he proposed. It would be hard to run as the Latino hope when you oppose virtually every policy that benefits Latinos. Supporting your own sub-group doesn't prevent one from advocating for the country as a whole. It simply means you haven't forgotten where you started.

 

[wizards8507]

The Words You Can't Say About Hillary | The Daily Caller

Wow. Words that the feminists have labeled "coded sexism" if they're used to describe Mrs. Clinton.

Polarizing
Calculating
Disingenuous
Insincere
Ambitious
Inevitable
Entitled
Over confident
Secretive
Will do anything to win
Represents the past
Out of touch

Sexist. Unbelievable.

 

[GoIrish41]

The Words You Can't Say About Hillary | The Daily Caller

Wow. Words that the feminists have labeled "coded sexism" if they're used to describe Mrs. Clinton.

Polarizing
Calculating
Disingenuous
Insincere
Ambitious
Inevitable
Entitled
Over confident
Secretive
Will do anything to win
Represents the past
Out of touch

Sexist. Unbelievable.

Definitions of words are determined by the hearer, not the speaker. If people are put off by these words when describing Hillary, they will object to them. If the Hillary campaign spends time trying to re-engineer the English language to take away lines of attack on her record, they will run the risk of annoying the base and amplifying the calls for Elizabeth Warren to run. This is is just silly.

 

[phgreek]

I agree that a presidential candidate should represent the whole nation, not any particular sub-group. However, the original post on this topic implied that Cruz was not receiving enough media attention for being a Latino candidate. The post implied that Obama had received lots of attention for being a black candidate and that Hillary was receiving lots of attention for being a woman candidate. The question was posed as to why Cruz wasn't being touted as the Latino candidate.

I suggested that it was because he was Latino in surname only, not in the policies he proposed. It would be hard to run as the Latino hope when you oppose virtually every policy that benefits Latinos. Supporting your own sub-group doesn't prevent one from advocating for the country as a whole. It simply means you haven't forgotten where you started.

I understand your intent...and how the conversation evolved.

I seized on one aspect of what you said because it reflects sentiments of many Americans...and I think it misguided. Rather you are personally vested in the identity politics or not...I used your examples to point out what I see as a problem.

and BTW...IMHO where you come from or started from is your neighborhood, your elementary school, your church, your family...ethnicity, subgroup, etc. may play a role in how you define yourself...but it shouldn't be an active part of how one sets agendas or governs.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

Why aren't the Canadian/Americans upset about the lack of Cruz coverage? I mean, that's where he was born and all. I find it ironic that this guy who indisputably was born in a foreign country made such a big deal out of President Obama's birth place. John McCain had an act of congress passed to establish him as a naturalized American citizen. It all just amuses me so.

 

[connor_in]

Why aren't the Canadian/Americans upset about the lack of Cruz coverage? I mean, that's where he was born and all. I find it ironic that this guy who indisputably was born in a foreign country made such a big deal out of President Obama's birth place. John McCain had an act of congress passed to establish him as a naturalized American citizen. It all just amuses me so.

Nice to see you are a racist birther

 

[EddytoNow]

I understand your intent...and how the conversation evolved.

I seized on one aspect of what you said because it reflects sentiments of many Americans...and I think it misguided. Rather you are personally vested in the identity politics or not...I used your examples to point out what I see as a problem.

and BTW...IMHO where you come from or started from is your neighborhood, your elementary school, your church, your family...ethnicity, subgroup, etc. may play a role in how you define yourself...but it shouldn't be an active part of how one sets agendas or governs.

I think we agree on more than we disagree. However, one's neighborhood is often defined by ethnicity. There are few neighborhoods that are truly integrated. When one grows up in a predominantly black, Irish, Asian, Latino, or Native American neighborhood, you have two choices. You can flee from the neighborhood and your ethnicity as many Irish did in the late 19th and early 20th century and pretend to be something else. Or you can return to that neighborhood to give others a lift up. We see many professional athletes use their fame and fortune to start programs in their old neighborhoods that provide others with an opportunity for something better. Should any less be expected out of a politician? Remembering where you came from implies returning to your roots and helping others escape the poverty, drugs, lack of education, etc. that you yourself were able to overcome.

Ted Cruz is a very poor example of someone returning to help his own. He is a much better example of someone that is trying very hard to disassociate himself from his ethnic heritage.

 

[phgreek]

I think we agree on more than we disagree. However, one's neighborhood is often defined by ethnicity. There are few neighborhoods that are truly integrated. When one grows up in a predominantly black, Irish, Asian, Latino, or Native American neighborhood, you have two choices. You can flee from the neighborhood and your ethnicity as many Irish did in the late 19th and early 20th century and pretend to be something else. Or you can return to that neighborhood to give others a lift up. We see many professional athletes use their fame and fortune to start programs in their old neighborhoods that provide others with an opportunity for something better. Should any less be expected out of a politician? Remembering where you came from implies returning to your roots and helping others escape the poverty, drugs, lack of education, etc. that you yourself were able to overcome.

Ted Cruz is a very poor example of someone returning to help his own. He is a much better example of someone that is trying very hard to disassociate himself from his ethnic heritage.

I see your point about ethnicity...neighborhoods. I come from a very mixed neighborhood...I have a strong Irish identity, but I grew up with every kind of ethnicity...yet all my friends look back to the structures of our youth...neighborhood, family, church, school, each other, etc. and thats where the pride comes from...I guess its different everywhere.

I understand your point about the athlete, and I think that is admirable, and the right thing to do. I differ in the view of a politician doing the same while in office. Should they leave office, and do the Jimmy Carter thing...I'm a huge fan. While in office, I am not comfortable with it.

 

[Veritate Duce Progredi]

The Words You Can't Say About Hillary | The Daily Caller

Wow. Words that the feminists have labeled "coded sexism" if they're used to describe Mrs. Clinton.

Polarizing
Calculating
Disingenuous
Insincere
Ambitious
Inevitable
Entitled
Over confident
Secretive
Will do anything to win
Represents the past
Out of touch

Sexist. Unbelievable.

I can't help that Hillary has such a polarizing demeanor. Since her husband was in office she's been calculating for her inevitable run towards the white house. She will do anything to win, judging by her insincere answers about her secretive email account. Her over-confidence comes off as disingenuous but we can't fault her for her ambition. The problem is her ambition often represents the past and she seems out of touch on foreign affairs and the middle class.

Hillary FTW!

 

[Black Irish]

The Words You Can't Say About Hillary | The Daily Caller

Wow. Words that the feminists have labeled "coded sexism" if they're used to describe Mrs. Clinton.

Polarizing
Calculating
Disingenuous
Insincere
Ambitious
Inevitable
Entitled
Over confident
Secretive
Will do anything to win
Represents the past
Out of touch

Sexist. Unbelievable.

How about "will get the Democrat nomination by default via name-recognition and long-standing national visibility and will likely win the election because the GOP can't field a candidate to beat a third rate politician with enough baggage to fill Yankee Stadium."

Still sexist?

 

[phgreek]

How about "will get the Democrat nomination by default via name-recognition and long-standing national visibility and will likely win the election because the GOP can't field a candidate to beat a third rate politician with enough baggage to fill Yankee Stadium."

Still sexist?

...seems anything of an accurate description is...and thats pretty spot on, so way to go sexist bastard.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

Rand Paul officially announced his candidacy as expected.

Hillary Clinton has opened a campaign office in Brooklyn and therefore has until April 15 to declare per campaign laws.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

Hillary jumped in today. Marco Rubio is up next.

Things are finally heating up.

 

[Irish YJ]

It's really nice to have so many incompetent options

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[phgreek]

It's really nice to have so many incompetent options

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I'm baffled Hillary Clinton can be leading at this point...I mean all politicians are suspect when it comes to ethics...but seriously. People simply don't care even when the KNOW their "guy" is dirty. SMH.

 

[Irish YJ]

I'm baffled Hillary Clinton can be leading at this point...I mean all politicians are suspect when it comes to ethics...but seriously. People simply don't care even when the KNOW their "guy" is dirty. SMH.

It's all very sad. I don't know what is worse. The fact that Clinton leads everything, the state of the GOP which enables it, or the people that will vote for all of it.

 

[DomeX2 eNVy]

Rubio officially in

 

[Buster Bluth]

Ohio governor John Kasich will be traveling to New Hampshire and South Carolina in the near future. I'd like to see him get in the race, but can anyone win the primary in today's GOP with this:

He referenced at multiple times to points where he has rejected the popular conservative position, such as on Medicaid expansion, which he said will pay off long term for Ohio because it improves the state's ability to provide mental-health and drug-addiction treatment, which should reduce Ohio's jail and prison populations.

He stuck by his support for the Common Core State Standards, and emphasized that curriculum is set by local school boards. And on immigration, he said that standing firm on ideological grounds was not solving the problem.

Kasich considering presidential run, no final decision yet - Toledo Blade

 

[Rack Em]

Ohio governor John Kasich will be traveling to New Hampshire and South Carolina in the near future. I'd like to see him get in the race, but can anyone win the primary in today's GOP with this:



Kasich considering presidential run, no final decision yet - Toledo Blade

Kasich would help the R win a crucial swing state. I'm not sure he would win the primary, but I think he would make a solid complement to someone farther right without executive experience.

 

[irishff1014]

Ohio governor John Kasich will be traveling to New Hampshire and South Carolina in the near future. I'd like to see him get in the race, but can anyone win the primary in today's GOP with this:



Kasich considering presidential run, no final decision yet - Toledo Blade

What do you have think of him BB?I have to look this guy up I know nothing about him.

 

[connor_in]

Clinton to spend $37.92 for every vote in $2.5b campaign | WashingtonExaminer.com

 

[Buster Bluth]

Kasich would help the R win a crucial swing state. I'm not sure he would win the primary, but I think he would make a solid complement to someone farther right without executive experience.

I absolutely think he's running for VP more than anything. He doesn't have the name recognition to win the primary IMO.

If GOB Bush wins the primary, I think Ohio Senator Rob Portman might be ahead of Kasich in the VP line.

What do you have think of him BB?I have to look this guy up I know nothing about him.

I'd vote for him over any of the guys in the GOP field.

He hasn't been perfect, and I have my criticisms, but all things considered he's been good for Ohio. He won in 2010 with 49% of the vote, in 2014 he increased that to 67%.

 

[GoIrish41]

Clinton to spend $37.92 for every vote in $2.5b campaign | WashingtonExaminer.com

The GOP candidate will spend close to that ... and not have anything to show for it at the end.