'16 OH OT Liam Eichenberg (Notre Dame Signed NLI)

[jspags10pg]

Liam's cost benefit analysis. ND & OSU

See's the field sooner - OSU

Plays at least 3 seasons at OSU, probably 2 seasons at ND. For the ego, that's an OSU win. For safe guarding against a career ending or limiting injury it's a win for ND.

OL coaching - ND

Becoming part of a pipeline - ND
(there are potentially seven 1st - 3rd round OLinemen currently enrolled at ND. That matters, ask the last 6 TE's.

Degree - ND Just in case a knee gives out or to better handle his HOF career earnings.

I'm sorry, if you are an All American lineman right now there is NO other place to go to maximize the rest of your life than ND. You're gonna sit for a while but that just gives you more time to eat, lift, train and avoid injury until it's your turn to shine starting your junior year.

Thoughts?

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Eichenberg and Kraemer are monsters. I know there's a lot of depth in front of them but they might see the field before they're juniors (if Liam also chooses ND). Stanley will be gone after this year and there are only a couple locks to be on the line in '17. Sounds like Elmer, McGlinchey, Bars and probably Nelson (and whoever at Center...Hoge maybe?) will be the line in '16 barring injuries. Any of those guys could leave after that if they're ready.

Guys like Bivin, Montelus, Ruhland, McGovern, Mustipher and anyone else I'm forgetting aren't locks to start in '17 with guys like Tommy and possibly Liam coming on board.

But to your point of OSU being a better bet for seeing the field early, I agree. It just might not take as long as some may think for them to see the field at ND either. We've done a great job recruiting the O-line the last few years but Tommy and Liam are on a different level, IMO. Add Bredeson to that list too.

 

[BobbyMac]

Eichenberg and Kraemer are monsters. I know there's a lot of depth in front of them but they might see the field before they're juniors (if Liam also chooses ND). Stanley will be gone after this year and there are only a couple locks to be on the line in '17. Sounds like Elmer, McGlinchey, Bars and probably Nelson (and whoever at Center...Hoge maybe?) will be the line in '16 barring injuries. Any of those guys could leave after that if they're ready.

Guys like Bivin, Montelus, Ruhland, McGovern, Mustipher and anyone else I'm forgetting aren't locks to start in '17 with guys like Tommy and possibly Liam coming on board.

But to your point of OSU being a better bet for seeing the field early, I agree. It just might not take as long as some may think for them to see the field at ND either. We've done a great job recruiting the O-line the last few years but Tommy and Liam are on a different level, IMO. Add Bredeson to that list too.

So you think they are on a different level than Nelson coming in?

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[jspags10pg]

So you think they are on a different level than Nelson coming in?

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I'd say Nelson was the only one of our guys currently on the roster who is at or near their level at this stage or their respective careers. Meaning junior year of HS. The rest were not quite as highly touted as Liam or Tommy.

I'll admit that I'm no O-line expert so I'm basing my opinion on their accolades and what we hear out of camp circuits and from analysts around the country and also based on how they look on film to my untrained eye. To your point, Nelson was a mauler. Loved his tape.



I kind of have it like this is my head:

-There's an elite level where I think Big Q, Tommy, Liam and probably Bredeson are at.

-Then there's a very good, almost elite level where I'd put Bivin, Elmer, Bars and probably McGlinchey.


This is all just my opinion tho based where they were at coming out of HS and I'm sure there are many, many others who are a better judge of talent than I am.

 

[connor_in]

I think it's the opposite. Seems like the way Liam worded it, OSU winning it all is the ONLY reason they're in contention. I doubt he commits to them this early on that alone. I'd say ND is the favorite in this one...WHOOPS, did I say that?

I gotta admit I kinda agree. It sounds like he was locked on ND and the OSU championship gave him pause. I could be wrong but that's my read.

If you were 100% locked in on getting pizza and your buddy starts talking about this great taco he ate, it doesn't mean you will get a taco too, but you might consider it.


...signed the king of analogies

 

[BobbyMac]

I'd say Nelson was the only one of our guys currently on the roster who is at or near their level at this stage or their respective careers. Meaning junior year of HS. The rest were not quite as highly touted as Liam or Tommy.

I'll admit that I'm no O-line expert so I'm basing my opinion on their accolades and what we hear out of camp circuits and from analysts around the country and also based on how they look on film to my untrained eye. To your point, Nelson was a mauler. Loved his tape.



I kind of have it like this is my head:

-There's an elite level where I think Big Q, Tommy, Liam and probably Bredeson are at.

-Then there's a very good, almost elite level where I'd put Bivin, Elmer, Bars and probably McGlinchey.


This is all just my opinion tho based where they were at coming out of HS and I'm sure there are many, many others who are a better judge of talent than I am.

That's fair. I don't know much about Bredeson, I'll have to question his competition in WI. The Ohio boys will see good competition. As far as the ones you have put in the very good to near elite group, I'm right there with you except for Bars. Nashville is a good football town and he earned his numbers against much better talent than the other 3 did. He comes from a football family who most likely gave and could afford the proper instruction growing up. Lastly, he's been getting the type of gentle praise that almost makes you fel like CBK is throwing out a disclaimer that would read... Attn Irish fans: Don't freak out when Bars is getting a lot of snaps.

I'd go out on a limb right now and say, Eichenberg doesn't start at tackle until '18 unless Bars or McGlinchey leave early (which is very possible) He may wanna slide in to guard like it sounds Kraemer will to start. I bet no one can unseat Bars once he settles in at OT (he has too much of a head start in the program) and McGlinchey is stuck at tackle at his height... you'd think right?

I don't know, I'm no expert either but what I could do is sell any offensive lineman on the advantage ND gives them for both their athletic & educational futures, whether it's in the NFL or in corporate America.

 

[Grahambo]

Just have a good season on the field and everything will fall into place.

Won't always get who we want but talent will be overflowing.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Just have a good season on the field and everything will fall into place.

Won't always get who we want but talent will be overflowing.

That was my original thought, but now that he says he's committing early, it might not matter. I definitely feel more confident he commits to ND than O$U based on his comments.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Okay...so am I seeing things...or is Eichenberg a THREE star on Rivals?

 

[Irish YJ]

Okay...so am I seeing things...or is Eichenberg a THREE star on Rivals?

Yes, but they say he has potential.

 

[Grahambo]

That was my original thought, but now that he says he's committing early, it might not matter. I definitely feel more confident he commits to ND than O$U based on his comments.

OL is an area of depth so I'm not overly concerned with Eich. Still plenty of great prospects out there that Hiestand will take. Zach Martin excelling in a big market like the Dallas Cowboys (despite me being a Giants fan) can only help, even if a little.

A good season can also change his mind. Just way to early for people to really worry.

 

[Me2SouthBend]

I'd say Nelson was the only one of our guys currently on the roster who is at or near their level at this stage or their respective careers. Meaning junior year of HS. The rest were not quite as highly touted as Liam or Tommy.

I'll admit that I'm no O-line expert so I'm basing my opinion on their accolades and what we hear out of camp circuits and from analysts around the country and also based on how they look on film to my untrained eye. To your point, Nelson was a mauler. Loved his tape.



I kind of have it like this is my head:

-There's an elite level where I think Big Q, Tommy, Liam and probably Bredeson are at.

-Then there's a very good, almost elite level where I'd put Bivin, Elmer, Bars and probably McGlinchey.


This is all just my opinion tho based where they were at coming out of HS and I'm sure there are many, many others who are a better judge of talent than I am.

I feel as if Hoge will slot somewhere in one of those 2 categories. He should be the Center starting as early as his Sophmore year.

 

[jspags10pg]

I feel as if Hoge will slot somewhere in one of those 2 categories. He should be the Center starting as early as his Sophmore year.

Definitely. I was thinking more about the two classes prior to his and somehow forgot about him. Good catch.

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>3-star OT Liam Eichenberg is focused on just Notre Dame and Ohio State. <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshHelmholdt">@JoshHelmholdt</a> has the latest. <a href="http://t.co/naucWKugM1">http://t.co/naucWKugM1</a></p>— BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/577502228618964994">March 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[Luckylucci]

Not a lot we don't already know. He seems genuinely torn between the two. Visiting both schools in April followed by a decision shortly after. Will be sitting down with both staffs and looking at depth charts. Calls playing for OSU a dream of his. Says that his best relationship is with Urban Meyer. However, he loves Coach Heistand and he loves the feeling at ND, a lot like his high school. "Then there is something about those gold helmets." FWIW, his OSU visit is April 17th.

 

[Cpnd1]

Not a lot we don't already know. He seems genuinely torn between the two. Visiting both schools in April followed by a decision shortly after. Will be sitting down with both staffs and looking at depth charts. Calls playing for OSU a dream of his. Says that his best relationship is with Urban Meyer. However, he loves Coach Heistand and he loves the feeling at ND, a lot like his high school. "Then there is something about those gold helmets." FWIW, his OSU visit is April 17th.

I hate Urban getting the last shot.

 

[Luckylucci]

I hate Urban getting the last shot.

I also hate that the depth chart is of importance. Urban is willing to tell a kid just about anything to get him and I don't believe Heistand does. Could end up being a small difference that wins this one. I guess the good news is we didn't bring in an OT last year so there is at least a gap on the depth chart there. However, it looks like Bars will be playing LT for 3 years after Stanley leaves and McGlinchey will have 2 years at RT. It'll be tough for Liam to overcome those guys, IMO.

 

[greyhammer90]

In Heistand we trust

 

[Cpnd1]

I also hate that the depth chart is of importance. Urban is willing to tell a kid just about anything to get him and I don't believe Heistand does. Could end up being a small difference that wins this one. I guess the good news is we didn't bring in an OT last year so there is at least a gap on the depth chart there. However, it looks like Bars will be playing LT for 3 years after Stanley leaves and McGlinchey will have 2 years at RT. It'll be tough for Liam to overcome those guys, IMO.

This recruitment is a little reminiscent of Hillard's in my opinion. Seems like he knows ND is the better place for him, but the allure of OSU is just too much to overcome.

 

[Luckylucci]

This recruitment is a little reminiscent of Hillard's in my opinion. Seems like he knows ND is the better place for him, but the allure of OSU is just too much to overcome.

With one caveat that makes me a little more optimistic, he has an exceptional relationship with HH. His guys really do love him and I think he's going to have a very tough time saying no to him. Hilliard didn't really have that with any coach on staff. With all that said I give a slight edge to OSU.

 

[TheTurningPoint]

ND needs to convince him that he can win a National Title at Notre Dame. Talking to some very close to him, that is of the upmost importance. That is where osu is winning the battle against ND, but it's something that HH and BK can sell.

 

[vuirish]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>3-star OT Liam Eichenberg is focused on just Notre Dame and Ohio State. <a href="https://twitter.com/JoshHelmholdt">@JoshHelmholdt</a> has the latest. <a href="http://t.co/naucWKugM1">http://t.co/naucWKugM1</a></p>— BlueandGold.com (@BGInews) <a href="https://twitter.com/BGInews/status/577502228618964994">March 16, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Three star? Isn't he top 10 on Rivals?

 

[Luckylucci]

Three star? Isn't he top 10 on Rivals?

No, Josh Hemboldt has a pretty hard stance on how he views Liam and its drastically different than other sites and myself. Too his credit he's watched him in person 3 times, so its not uninformed. You know that whole thing about the eye of the beholder, very much the case here. To add they view him as a OG prosepect and at best RT. The good news here is he says gun to his head, Liam picks ND.

 

[ResLife Hero]

No, Josh Hemboldt has a pretty hard stance on how he views Liam and its drastically different than other sites and myself. Too his credit he's watched him in person 3 times, so its not uninformed. You know that whole thing about the eye of the beholder, very much the case here.

I also saw a mention of injury history preventing them from giving him an elite grade right now.

 

[Irish#1]

No, Josh Hemboldt has a pretty hard stance on how he views Liam and its drastically different than other sites and myself. Too his credit he's watched him in person 3 times, so its not uninformed. You know that whole thing about the eye of the beholder, very much the case here. To add they view him as a OG prosepect and at best RT. The good news here is he says gun to his head, Liam picks ND.

Well then put a gun to his head!

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

No, Josh Hemboldt has a pretty hard stance on how he views Liam and its drastically different than other sites and myself. Too his credit he's watched him in person 3 times, so its not uninformed. You know that whole thing about the eye of the beholder, very much the case here. To add they view him as a OG prosepect and at best RT. The good news here is he says gun to his head, Liam picks ND.

LOL take a long, lean, athletic OL with superb footwoork and put him at guard. SMH

 

[Grahambo]

All I care about is how Harry Hiestand views him.

 

[DCIrish]

Wiltfong CB'd him to ND.

 

[BeauBenken]

Wiltfong CB'd him to ND.

 

[OCIrish]

Wiltfong CB'd him to ND.

Ohio State lock......

 

[ab2cmiller]

A week ago Wiltfong was on Bucknuts saying that it was 50/50 between pOSU and ND but he was sticking with pOSU for now. Obviously over the past week he has heard something significant enough that he's flipped his crystal ball to ND.