Upshot for the Rest of the Class (2015 Edition)

[BGIF]

I would think not. Isn't he free now that BVG has worked at ND one full year?

Montgomery VanGorder was not a counter when he arrived on campus as a walk-on. He became a counter for 2014 when he was awarded a scholarship in 2014 preseason camp. If he receives academic aid other than a football grant and stays on the football team he remains a counter against the 85 limit.

 

[ThePiombino]

Montgomery VanGorder was not a counter when he arrived on campus as a walk-on. He became a counter for 2014 when he was awarded a scholarship in 2014 preseason camp. If he receives academic aid other than a football grant and stays on the football team he remains a counter against the 85 limit.

How hard would it be to give BVG $50K bump and call it a day. Boom, extra schollie available.

 

[Rack Em]

"The Man who insists on Perfection has a long wait indeed."

Yung Flung-woo, 652-581 BC

OMM I'm curious to get your take on why recruiting has been so good this year...

 

[Ironman8]

Montgomery VanGorder was not a counter when he arrived on campus as a walk-on. He became a counter for 2014 when he was awarded a scholarship in 2014 preseason camp. If he receives academic aid other than a football grant and stays on the football team he remains a counter against the 85 limit.

Ah okay. Thanks for the info! Oh well.

 

[Old Man Mike]

Why recruiting is so good this year: speculations

A). No Diacoian atmosphere restricting the field of candidates;
B). Kelly really going after loading the offense --- Harry's got his part under control, and BK is firing up the receiver corps like he likes to do --- his speciality;
C). BVG has a lot of rein to pursue a bunch of D-players and, with no Diacoian problems, is harvesting more close-in talent, which WE see but others don't; BVG also radiates being an upstanding "Man's Man";
D). Also, our defense folded badly due to injuries last year, but we look pretty powerful potentially. Kids can see playing time on defense [we've demonstrated the truth of early playing time], and that we're inches away from play-offs quality;
E). Lots of national commentary that Kelly is a genius at several things {despite our own board refusing to see this --- thankfully the kids and their parents are more observant}, so playing for an offensive genius is attractive particularly if you are a receiver;
F). Quarterback woes --- Wimbush sees opportunity and who can blame him? Barnett did too, but Alabama....
G). Some doubts about playing for a ball-slinging offense for the RBs, but Kelly has shown that a RB can get national praise {Folston}, so that's somewhat minimized;
H). Our older recruiting hands are still good; newer recruiting hands are getting better; everyone is one year older on connections with HS coaches et al --- I believe that people REALLY underestimate this --- Teams like Texas and Virginia Tech have maintained unusual success in recruiting [in two different ways due to their locations] by VERY strong long-earned HS connections;
I). Notre Dame's academic quality and moral integrity still have powerful presences in the living rooms of families who care about high quality things.

I'm fairly sure that this list does NOT explain the real reasons that we have success, as the real reasons must involve the quality of the men of our staff when they enter a family's life. Our staff must simply radiate high morals "manhood" and the type of mentor that an athlete and his parents want to entrust this formative period of life to. The list allows the aura of opportunity to glow brightly on the foundation of this trust.

 

[koonja]

OMM I'm curious to get your take on why recruiting has been so good this year...

Why recruiting is so good this year: speculations

A). No Diacoian atmosphere restricting the field of candidates;
B). Kelly really going after loading the offense --- Harry's got his part under control, and BK is firing up the receiver corps like he likes to do --- his speciality;
C). BVG has a lot of rein to pursue a bunch of D-players and, with no Diacoian problems, is harvesting more close-in talent, which WE see but others don't; BVG also radiates being an upstanding "Man's Man";
D). Also, our defense folded badly due to injuries last year, but we look pretty powerful potentially. Kids can see playing time on defense [we've demonstrated the truth of early playing time], and that we're inches away from play-offs quality;
E). Lots of national commentary that Kelly is a genius at several things {despite our own board refusing to see this --- thankfully the kids and their parents are more observant}, so playing for an offensive genius is attractive particularly if you are a receiver;
F). Quarterback woes --- Wimbush sees opportunity and who can blame him? Barnett did too, but Alabama....
G). Some doubts about playing for a ball-slinging offense for the RBs, but Kelly has shown that a RB can get national praise {Folston}, so that's somewhat minimized;
H). Our older recruiting hands are still good; newer recruiting hands are getting better; everyone is one year older on connections with HS coaches et al --- I believe that people REALLY underestimate this --- Teams like Texas and Virginia Tech have maintained unusual success in recruiting [in two different ways due to their locations] by VERY strong long-earned HS connections;
I). Notre Dame's academic quality and moral integrity still have powerful presences in the living rooms of families who care about high quality things.

I'm fairly sure that this list does NOT explain the real reasons that we have success, as the real reasons must involve the quality of the men of our staff when they enter a family's life. Our staff must simply radiate high morals "manhood" and the type of mentor that an athlete and his parents want to entrust this formative period of life to. The list allows the aura of opportunity to glow brightly on the foundation of this trust.

I'm pretty sure Rackem is asking what makes you think our class of commits is so good, not 'how did we obtain this massive level of talent this year?'.

Rackem does not think this class is as good as you do. Just clearing that up. Still good thoughts.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Montgomery VanGorder was not a counter when he arrived on campus as a walk-on. He became a counter for 2014 when he was awarded a scholarship in 2014 preseason camp. If he receives academic aid other than a football grant and stays on the football team he remains a counter against the 85 limit.

I assume that's more than likely going to be the situation. I doubt Kelly gives him the scholarship knowing full well they'll be tight on numbers in '15. Just doesn't seem kosher.

Fixed the bold part.

 

[Ironman8]

I assume that's more than likely going to be the situation. I doubt Kelly gives him the scholarship knowing full well they'll be tight on numbers in '15. Just doesn't seem kosher.

Huh? Did you understand what you highlighted before you posted lol?

 

[Crazy Balki]

OMM I'm curious to get your take on why recruiting has been so good this year...

Not my question, but my two cents on the recruiting class:

- Kelly and co. have hit hard on recruiting for need. So far, outside of safety which will most likely end up with that last guy, it's been excellent.
- Kelly has shown to have an eye for spotting talent that may not have the national recognition a "5-star" athlete would. Something that's become much more apparent in these last 2 classes, and low and behold, 2014 and 2015 (fingers crossed) have remained the most stable recruiting classes under Kelly.
- Like 2014, I think a lot of our guys are severely underrated. Guys like Dew-Treadway, Taylor, Coney, Barajas, Coleman, Crawford (has kept with elite CB's like Marshall and Fitz on more than 1 occurrence). I honestly get a bit of a feeling that each player we have is underrated to a certain degree, though some do have concerns that make their rankings justifiable.

Overall, I do like this class for us. It isn't star-studded like something we'll see from $C, but I'd put it up against there's and be confident that our guys could take to them. Most important about this class is that A) It's got tons of athleticism and potential. B) It's (presumably) cohesive.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Huh? Did you understand what you highlighted before you posted lol?

Yeah, I meant the part where it states he receives the football grant and nothing else, making him no longer a counter on the limit.

 

[Big23Head]

FWIW, I posted about 5th years at Scout and O'Malley responded saying another medical scholarship likely exists and transfers certainly do that will free up numbers. (I had excluded Baratti already so I assume it is someone else, possibly not though)

 

[BeauBenken]

Yeah, I meant the part where it states he receives the football grant and nothing else, making him no longer a counter on the limit.

He counts regardless unless he doesn't get any financial help. Still don't get what you're trying to say.

 

[Ironman8]

He counts regardless unless he doesn't get any financial help. Still don't get what you're trying to say.

Yeah I was super confused but didn't want to go down the rabbit hole.

 

[koonja]

When you set up a scholarship, you choose who it's spent on, right?

Alumnis should set up an athletic football scholarship for the price of tuition and board for as many players as possible and just coordinate with the staff to use that to 'over sign', lol.

 

[IRISH in MT]

When you set up a scholarship, you choose who it's spent on, right?

Alumnis should set up an athletic football scholarship for the price of tuition and board for as many players as possible and just coordinate with the staff to use that to 'over sign', lol.

You could be on to something here...I remember getting a few Memorial Scholarships I applied for. Couldn't some "preferred walk-ons" get a Memorial Scholarship that could be used to pay for tuition, books, room/meals, etc? Are there dollar limits on those type of scholarships?

 

[NDWorld247]

OMM I'm curious to get your take on why recruiting has been so good this year...

Not OMM, but I'm really happy with the class this year. Here's how I'd break it down:

The REALLY Good

QB - Wimbush is a top 5 QB in this class. The staff couldn't have done better at the most important position on the field.

WR - Top 3 class nationally behind FSU and Georgia as of right now. No worse than top 5 nationally after NSD.

TE - We are getting the best TE in the country.

OC - We are getting the best Center in the country.

LB - Top 5 class nationally.

K - We are getting the best Kicker in the country.

The Good

RB - We needed two RBs and it looks like we'll address that need with Josh Adams and Dexter Williams. Could have been REALLY good with Ronald Jones II and/or Soso Jamabo, but we put our best guys on them and it didn't work out in the end. If some how we only end up with one on NSD, RB quickly moves to the "Ugly" category.

DL - Good depth (Tillery, Taylor, Dew-Treadway, Tiassum, Wallace) with potential star in Tillery. I understand the concern with lack of "star" power, but I trust the staff.

CB - Good depth with potential star in Crawford. (Sidenote: I think White is going to be a stud. He's my most under-valued player in this class).

The Bad

OL - Feel bad putting this in the "Bad" category, but lacks depth with Tillery switching to DL. I think we can get away with only taking two OL this year, but we'll need to be back to 4-5 OL in '16.

The Ugly

S - As of now, it's ugly with only Mykelti Williams in the fold and our need at the position. It's the only major criticism of the staff IMO. Would move to "Bad" with another commitment simply for the number of guys on our board that we couldn't convince to come here given the need at the position.

 

[Rack Em]

Not OMM, but I'm really happy with the class this year. Here's how I'd break it down:

The REALLY Good

QB - Wimbush is a top 5 QB in this class. The staff couldn't have done better at the most important position on the field.

WR - Top 3 class nationally behind FSU and Georgia as of right now. No worse than top 5 nationally after NSD.

TE - We are getting the best TE in the country.

OC - We are getting the best Center in the country.

LB - Top 5 class nationally.

K - We are getting the best Kicker in the country.

The Good

RB - We needed two RBs and it looks like we'll address that need with Josh Adams and Dexter Williams. Could have been REALLY good with Ronald Jones II and/or Soso Jamabo, but we put our best guys on them and it didn't work out in the end. If some how we only end up with one on NSD, RB quickly moves to the "Ugly" category.

DL - Good depth (Tillery, Taylor, Dew-Treadway, Tiassum, Wallace) with potential star in Tillery. I understand the concern with lack of "star" power, but I trust the staff.

CB - Good depth with potential star in Crawford. (Sidenote: I think White is going to be a stud. He's my most under-valued player in this class).

The Bad

OL - Feel bad putting this in the "Bad" category, but lacks depth with Tillery switching to DL. I think we can get away with only taking two OL this year, but we'll need to be back to 4-5 OL in '16.

The Ugly

S - As of now, it's ugly with only Mykelti Williams in the fold and our need at the position. It's the only major criticism of the staff IMO. Would move to "Bad" with another commitment simply for the number of guys on our board that we couldn't convince to come here given the need at the position.

I think I'd agree with your assessment overall. But I put "The Ugly" as "Pretty Fugly, which brings down the whole class. I think that one really bad aspect of the class really holds it back.

Instead, if we had a mid-3 star recruit coming in at QB, I would still feel the same way about the class (well very close to the same). Golson may be coming back and Zaire seemed like a very suitable replacement if not the better QB. Therefore QB is not the dire need that S is. This is why I think that S recruiting brings the class down a lot - we need bodies and we can't get them.

 

[GoIrish41]

Not OMM, but I'm really happy with the class this year. Here's how I'd break it down:

The REALLY Good

QB - Wimbush is a top 5 QB in this class. The staff couldn't have done better at the most important position on the field.

WR - Top 3 class nationally behind FSU and Georgia as of right now. No worse than top 5 nationally after NSD.

TE - We are getting the best TE in the country.

OC - We are getting the best Center in the country.

LB - Top 5 class nationally.

K - We are getting the best Kicker in the country.

The Good

RB - We needed two RBs and it looks like we'll address that need with Josh Adams and Dexter Williams. Could have been REALLY good with Ronald Jones II and/or Soso Jamabo, but we put our best guys on them and it didn't work out in the end. If some how we only end up with one on NSD, RB quickly moves to the "Ugly" category.

DL - Good depth (Tillery, Taylor, Dew-Treadway, Tiassum, Wallace) with potential star in Tillery. I understand the concern with lack of "star" power, but I trust the staff.

CB - Good depth with potential star in Crawford. (Sidenote: I think White is going to be a stud. He's my most under-valued player in this class).

The Bad

OL - Feel bad putting this in the "Bad" category, but lacks depth with Tillery switching to DL. I think we can get away with only taking two OL this year, but we'll need to be back to 4-5 OL in '16.

The Ugly

S - As of now, it's ugly with only Mykelti Williams in the fold and our need at the position. It's the only major criticism of the staff IMO. Would move to "Bad" with another commitment simply for the number of guys on our board that we couldn't convince to come here given the need at the position.

Forgetting Fertitta? Still ugly, as we need more bodies at a very thin position.

 

[Rack Em]

Forgetting Fertitta? Still ugly, as we need more bodies at a very thin position.

At this point, Fertitta isn't a deep S prospect. He's more of a Farley-esque player from this year: closer to the line, hybrid, star role, whatever you want to call it.

 

[NDWorld247]

I think I'd agree with your assessment overall. But I put "The Ugly" as "Pretty Fugly, which brings down the whole class. I think that one really bad aspect of the class really holds it back.

Instead, if we had a mid-3 star recruit coming in at QB, I would still feel the same way about the class (well very close to the same). Golson may be coming back and Zaire seemed like a very suitable replacement if not the better QB. Therefore QB is not the dire need that S is. This is why I think that S recruiting brings the class down a lot - we need bodies and we can't get them.

Yea, I don't necessarily disagree with you. The S recruiting has been ugly from the very beginning and was exacerbated with injuries to Baratti and Tranquil, as well as Prentice's academic situation. It's been frustrating to see so many guys turn us down in the past two months.

Other than that "Fugly" position though, this class is awesome. I don't think it holds the class back as much as you, but definitely understand where you're coming from.

Forgetting Fertitta? Still ugly, as we need more bodies at a very thin position.

His omission was not 'forgetful'.

 

[Crazy Balki]

He counts regardless unless he doesn't get any financial help. Still don't get what you're trying to say.

No, he stated that if he receives any financial aid OUTSIDE of a football grant, then he counts towards the counter. I'm saying that seems like that's going to be the case, as he'll receive a football grant, nothing else and no longer count as part of the 85 limit.

 

[irishtrain]

Why recruiting is so good this year: speculations

A). No Diacoian atmosphere restricting the field of candidates;
B). Kelly really going after loading the offense --- Harry's got his part under control, and BK is firing up the receiver corps like he likes to do --- his speciality;
C). BVG has a lot of rein to pursue a bunch of D-players and, with no Diacoian problems, is harvesting more close-in talent, which WE see but others don't; BVG also radiates being an upstanding "Man's Man";
D). Also, our defense folded badly due to injuries last year, but we look pretty powerful potentially. Kids can see playing time on defense [we've demonstrated the truth of early playing time], and that we're inches away from play-offs quality;
E). Lots of national commentary that Kelly is a genius at several things {despite our own board refusing to see this --- thankfully the kids and their parents are more observant}, so playing for an offensive genius is attractive particularly if you are a receiver;
F). Quarterback woes --- Wimbush sees opportunity and who can blame him? Barnett did too, but Alabama....
G). Some doubts about playing for a ball-slinging offense for the RBs, but Kelly has shown that a RB can get national praise {Folston}, so that's somewhat minimized;
H). Our older recruiting hands are still good; newer recruiting hands are getting better; everyone is one year older on connections with HS coaches et al --- I believe that people REALLY underestimate this --- Teams like Texas and Virginia Tech have maintained unusual success in recruiting [in two different ways due to their locations] by VERY strong long-earned HS connections;
I). Notre Dame's academic quality and moral integrity still have powerful presences in the living rooms of families who care about high quality things.

I'm fairly sure that this list does NOT explain the real reasons that we have success, as the real reasons must involve the quality of the men of our staff when they enter a family's life. Our staff must simply radiate high morals "manhood" and the type of mentor that an athlete and his parents want to entrust this formative period of life to. The list allows the aura of opportunity to glow brightly on the foundation of this trust.

Mike you know we are becoming dinosaurs when that stuff is important to us but may not be important to very many families today. I cannot and never will understand ( as a subway alum ) how a young man would not jump on Notre Dame over anyone if he had the chance. The rest of these guys come off like used car salesman from my outside the window view. I wouldn't trust some of these people any further than I could throw them. This recruiting business seems very dirty. Just saw a kid on TV today talking about it and he expressed the thought that he wished he was a 1 star because of the ordeal. It really shouldn't be that way. Where it gets stressful is when $$$$ becomes an issue. As in how much will I make either now or pertaining to pro football.

 

[TheChosen1]

Boomer Bakich

We offered this kid a preferred walk on scholarship earlier this week.

He committed to Army.

 

[IrishLax]

Boomer Bakich

We offered this kid a preferred walk on scholarship earlier this week.

He committed to Army.

Yeah, we got another good crop of PWOs coming in, including a QB that we took over Nick Robinson.

 

[NCDomer]

Mike you know we are becoming dinosaurs when that stuff is important to us but may not be important to very many families today. I cannot and never will understand ( as a subway alum ) how a young man would not jump on Notre Dame over anyone if he had the chance. The rest of these guys come off like used car salesman from my outside the window view. I wouldn't trust some of these people any further than I could throw them. This recruiting business seems very dirty. Just saw a kid on TV today talking about it and he expressed the thought that he wished he was a 1 star because of the ordeal. It really shouldn't be that way. Where it gets stressful is when $$$$ becomes an issue. As in how much will I make either now or pertaining to pro football.

There are a few other schools that would be worth looking at. Stanford is a great option. Good enough NFL placement and great academics. The only downside is that no one watches the games. Duke is another interesting option lately too. The NFL placement isn't there yet, so if you didn't think you have NFL skill, then that's an alluring option. Even with that said, the NFL finds NFL-caliber players from non-football powerhouses regularly. There's usually 2-4 fist rounders from non-football powerhouses each year. E.g., Dupree (Kentucky) and Harold (UVA) this year.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

Anyone know the NSD announcement schedules for Williams and ESB?

 

[CanadalovesND]

Anyone know the NSD announcement schedules for Williams and ESB?

Dexter will be announcing with teammate, Jalen Julius, live on Bright House Sports Network (BHSN) at 11am on NSD.

 

[RDU Irish]

couldn't they split up the schollie like they do in other sports? For example, with the 85th spot they give 4 25% scholarships. Seems odd to me it is treated all or nothing in football and basketball when plenty of other sports have a lot fluid movement with their limited scholarships with very few full rides. Not screwing people out but having an honest conversation with players about their needs.

Given FB participation knocks them out of consideration for other grants, walking on at ND is a lot more difficult than walking on to a local state school.

 

[PANDFAN]

Dexter Williams
Winter Garden (Fla.) West Orange
Four-Star Running Back

— Will announce at 11 am on the Bright House Sports Network
— Can be steamed online here: bhsnlive.com (subscription)
— This is a Notre Dame-Miami battle. There is a lot of late smoke with the Hurricanes, but we are confident he chooses the Irish on Wednesday.

Arrington Farrar
Atlanta (Ga.) Woodward Academy
Four-Star Safety

— Will announce between 3 pm and 4 pm at his high school.
— This is a Notre Dame-Wisconsin battle, but following this weekend's official to South Bend, our sources indicated he is expected to play for the Badgers.

Equanimeous St. Brown
Anaheim (Calif.) Servite
Four-Star Wide Receiver

— Will announce at 3:15 pm on ESPNU.
— Can be streamed online using at WatchESPN.com or using the Watch ESPN app.
— Notre Dame, Utah and Stanford are technically in the mix, but we're confident St. Brown has been Irish since early December.

Nathan Meadors
San Bernardino (Calif.) San Gorgonio
Three-Star Safety

— Will announce between 4 pm - 5 pm on Fox Sports West.
— Can be streamed online here: FoxSports.com/West/Prepzone (subject to change)
— This is a Notre Dame-UCLA battle. The Irish staff has done an excellent job here, but it's expected that Meadors stays close to home and plays in front of his parents and four younger brothers with the Bruins.

Justin Reid
Geismar (La.) Dutchtown
Four-Star Safety

— Announcement details have not been set at this time.
— This is a three-team battle with Notre Dame, LSU and Stanford. We expect Reid to head to the West Coast and play for the Cardinal following his announcement on Wednesday.

Iman Marshall
Long Beach (Calif.) Poly
Five-Star Cornerback

— Will announce at 4 pm on ESPNU.
— Can be streamed online using at WatchESPN.com or using the Watch ESPN app.
— Although Notre Dame is technically in his top group with Florida State, UCLA and USC, we expect Marshall to stay at home and play for the Trojans.

***All times listed are EST.

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[#1rish]

Thanks for the update. A little disappointing we don't snag a safety, but I'd say it's almost a #1 priority to get a stud next cycle.