ESPN sues Notre Dame over police records

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ESPN sues Notre Dame over police records - South Bend Tribune: Public Safety

SOUTH BEND — ESPN has filed a lawsuit against the University of Notre Dame claiming the university violated Indiana's public records law by refusing to release campus police records.
The suit alleges that Notre Dame officials violated Indiana's Access to Public Records Act by refusing to release Notre Dame Security Police records requested by ESPN. The case was filed Jan. 15 in St. Joseph Superior Court.
The suit was filed on behalf of ESPN Inc., the sports media company based in Bristol, Conn., and ESPN reporter Paula Lavigne, who requested the records.
Lavigne in September and November 2014 made formal requests to Notre Dame for police incident reports and logs related to student athletes, but was turned down both times.
As evidence in the lawsuit, ESPN submitted two written opinions by Indiana Public Access Counselor Luke Britt.
Early this month, Britt — an attorney appointed by Indiana's governor to advise on public access matters — issued an opinion stating Notre Dame has violated Indiana's public records law if it has withheld police records requested by ESPN about possible campus crimes.
That came several weeks after Britt initially put Notre Dame on notice about its handling of police records after complaints filed by ESPN and the South Bend Tribune. In the earlier opinion, Britt said he believes the Notre Dame Security Police fall under the jurisdiction of Indiana's public records law, and should comply fully with the law, just like other professional police departments in Indiana. Britt also said his opinion applies to police departments operating at other private universities in Indiana.
In his earlier opinion, Britt wrote that NDSP has the same requirements to maintain and release public records as all other police agencies in the state.
"The police force is established by the governing body of a private institution, but their powers come from the state of Indiana. I am not comfortable saying an organization can hide behind the cloak of secrecy when they have the power to arrest and create criminal records and exercise the state's police powers," Britt wrote at the time.
Three previous access counselors had issued opinions stating that professional police departments at Indiana private universities did not meet the definition of public agencies and thus were exempt from the state's public records law.
In a written statement to The Tribune last month, Notre Dame representatives said Britt's opinion was not consistent with "settled interpretation" of state law and that the issue has been "well-settled for more than a decade."
The university has a professional campus police force, with sworn officers who carry guns and have the power to make arrests and enforce state laws.
The South Bend Tribune's complaint stemmed from a request to Notre Dame for police reports and other documents about a Sept. 6, 2014, incident in which a man was critically injured falling down a stairwell in the university's Main Building. The incident happened after a band concert in the Main Building about a hour before the start of the Notre Dame-Michigan football game. Notre Dame has twice turned down Tribune's request for documents about the incident. The most recent denial occurred last week.
ESPN is asking that the court order Notre Dame to release the requested records for inspection and copying, and order NDSP to pay a civil penalty and court fees. No hearing date has yet been set.
 

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BSPN, you'd be better off just cutting out the middle man and sending a big suitcase full of money to Fr. Jenkins' doorstep.
 

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I understand where ESPN is coming from a legal standpoint but they can go get bent because Go Irish. Paula/ESPN seem a bit like a spoiled brat that didn't get their way in this situation.

ND seems to have past precedent that they do not fall under the requirements for Indiana's public record law and are clearly standing by that.

Normally I would say if there is nothing to hide then why hide it but seriously ESPN go take a hike. Interesting none the less.
 

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ND has tons of precedent over YEARS that they don't need to release records. But ESPN gonna ESPN.
 

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Geez, anyone can go download Synchronicity from Amazon ot iTunes in like a minute...why sue?
 

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I saw the title of this thread and about shat myself. So a band member was critically injured in a stairwell prior to the Mich game? like i need another reason to hate on ESPN.
 

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Just spit ballin' here, but someone didn't like the outcome after filing a complaint. Went to ESPN and said look at this cover up.

There are plenty of precedent's from the past, but do these include requests to release the NDPD records?
 

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Why doesn't ESPN spend half of their time doing due diligence on SEC schools?

I mean, if they even tried to dig up dirt there, they would need a backhoe.

Wizard... paging Wizard...
 

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I saw the title of this thread and about shat myself. So a band member was critically injured in a stairwell prior to the Mich game? like i need another reason to hate on ESPN.

i think it was just a spectator
 

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Why doesn't ESPN spend half of their time doing due diligence on SEC schools?

I mean, if they even tried to dig up dirt there, they would need a backhoe.

Wizard... paging Wizard...



Almost word for word what I came in to post.

Absolutely unbelievable.

Wizard's silence in this matter is deafening
 

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I wonder which would take precedence? Student privacy laws, or public record laws?
 

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Why doesn't ESPN spend half of their time doing due diligence on SEC schools?
Because their objection is to a violation of the INDIANA public records law. Other schools with scandals (see: FSU) have complied with ESPN's requests.

TPD releases FSU athlete police records to ESPN

D.J. Pettway among 4 Alabama Crimson Tide freshmen facing charges - ESPN

ETA: Related from another thread.

Notre Dame violated law if it didn't release police records, opinion says - South Bend Tribune: Education
 

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I wonder which would take precedence? Student privacy laws, or public record laws?
Student privacy only applies to the student's interaction with the University. The argument contends that NDSP is not part of "the University" so much as they're a public police force chartered by the state of Indiana.
 

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Why doesn't ESPN spend half of their time doing due diligence on SEC schools?

I mean, if they even tried to dig up dirt there, they would need a backhoe.

Wizard... paging Wizard...

Exactly. All those stories of cheating, drugs, etc.. magically go away for some weird reason. What ever happened to that DJ Fluker and Tyler Bray story? That's right.. Crickets.
 

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Because their objection is to a violation of the INDIANA public records law. Other schools with scandals (see: FSU) have complied with ESPN's requests.

What is your definition of a scandal?

How is this a scandal and not an incident or accident?
 

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Because their objection is to a violation of the INDIANA public records law. Other schools with scandals (see: FSU) have complied with ESPN's requests.

TPD releases FSU athlete police records to ESPN

D.J. Pettway among 4 Alabama Crimson Tide freshmen facing charges - ESPN

ETA: Related from another thread.

Notre Dame violated law if it didn't release police records, opinion says - South Bend Tribune: Education
The Tallahassee Police Department is not a part of Florida State University, and therefore, is not bound by student privacy laws. That could be a HUGE distinction. The Notre Dame Police Department IS a part of a larger organization(University of Notre Dame) that is bound by federal law to only release certain information about students, for certain purposes.
 

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struggling with this some.

ND is indeed private. ND has had procedural precedent on its side...but was this ever decided in court...ie legal precedent?

I don't know why having a gun and a badge matters for shit...can they leave the campus and arrest folks? If the answer is no, they are a private security force like literally thousands who guard facilities, and who can detain you for various reasons.

I don't know NDs process for, or if they even have a review for public record release associated with "bad" stuff, but I assume so based on Declan Sullivan's case. In that case I would think all involved would likely have to ok a press release. If the people involved in these incidents don't want a release...tough shit. That is the value of a private institution (or one of them).

Yes I'm sensitive to the potential for this to be abused, but in this case ...meh.
 

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Student privacy only applies to the student's interaction with the University. The argument contends that NDSP is not part of "the University" so much as they're a public police force chartered by the state of Indiana.

It's not the SOUTH BEND Police Department....... it is The NOTRE DAME Police Department. It is absolutely a part of the University; just like Facilities Maintenance. There's nothing about them that makes them a public police force. They serve the University. The state certifies them as Law Enforcement Officers, I'm sure, but that is not the same as being a public police force.
 

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Because their objection is to a violation of the INDIANA public records law. Other schools with scandals (see: FSU) have complied with ESPN's requests.

TPD releases FSU athlete police records to ESPN

D.J. Pettway among 4 Alabama Crimson Tide freshmen facing charges - ESPN

ETA: Related from another thread.

Notre Dame violated law if it didn't release police records, opinion says - South Bend Tribune: Education

Is that right... weird....

Tallahassee Police To ESPN: Go Fuck Yourselves

Picking your employer over the university. shameful...
 

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Silly

Silly

What does this have to do with sports reporting?

Expose for the SEC Network?

Could Hannah Storm report this with a straight face?

Disneylandia
 

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Whose name is on NDPD paychecks? My bet is University of Notre Dame. I bet they are ND employees with ND benefits. If they are state/city employees with state/city benefits I see merit to the case. Knowing ND, I bet they are employees of the University and it is by design to keep sh!t in house.
 

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Picking your employer over the university. shameful...
NDSP is NOT The University of Notre Dame. I like laws that provide oversight over police.

Also, I hope and pray that any investigation reveals that my university did nothing wrong. If they DID do something wrong, I'd hope you wouldn't be so biased as to root for them to get away with it.
 
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It's not the SOUTH BEND Police Department....... it is The NOTRE DAME Police Department. It is absolutely a part of the University; just like Facilities Maintenance. There's nothing about them that makes them a public police force. They serve the University. The state certifies them as Law Enforcement Officers, I'm sure, but that is not the same as being a public police force.

They are chartered by the state of Indiana, address state crimes via the state court system, etc.

I'd guess ND loses this one.
 

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Whose name is on NDPD paychecks? My bet is University of Notre Dame. I bet they are ND employees with ND benefits. If they are state/city employees with state/city benefits I see merit to the case. Knowing ND, I bet they are employees of the University and it is by design to keep sh!t in house.
I'm not a lawyer and my inclination is that this is a pile of crap, but this is the "Devil's Advocate" side of things.

Opinion: Notre Dame police subject to records law | wlfi.com

Separately:

The University of Notre Dame Security Police Department, located in Hammes Mowbray Hall just east of the Power Plant, is fully authorized as a police agency by the State of Indiana. The department employs both sworn police officers and non-sworn campus safety officers who patrol campus and respond to emergencies. Additional staff members work as security monitors or in other support positions in the department. Notre Dame police officers complete state mandated training requirements established for law enforcement officers and have the same legal authority as any other police officer in Indiana. Notre Dame Security Police staff frequently work with city, county, state and federal law enforcement authorities. Agencies cooperate whenever possible on investigations and crime prevention programs to provide the best possible police services to our campus and local communities.
 

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Notre Dame announces it will no longer have a "Police Department", and will now have a "Campus Safety" department.

/end lawsuit
 

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Of course they would drag ND's name through the mud, BSPN knows that most people hate ND, but recognize that they're popular. They don't pay any mind to SEC schools because any negative media attention towards them is bad for business. Same for Texas/Longhorn Network. So who is the largest non-BSPN tied program? That's right...Notre Dame. Fuck you worthless pieces of shit.
 

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Notre Dame announces it will no longer have a "Police Department", and will now have a "Campus Safety" department.

/end lawsuit
Again, not a lawyer, but I believe they'd lose their firearms and a number of other capabilities in that case.
 
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