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[IrishJayhawk]

This is gross. Whether you think you would have liked it or not, these kids are not "victims," they are victims. Abuse is abuse. Seriously, guys.

 

[GoldenDomer]

This is gross. Whether you think you would have liked it or not, these kids are not "victims," they are victims. Abuse is abuse. Seriously, guys.

 

[GoldenDomer]

Forreal though, they're not 9. They consciously weighed the options of banging their teacher, and went ahead with it.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Forreal though, they're not 9. They consciously weighed the options of banging their teacher, and went ahead with it.

But they're minors. I like you guys, but this stuff isn't funny at all.

 

[GoldenDomer]

But they're minors. I like you guys, but this stuff isn't funny at all.

As a 17 year old kid, you couldn't comprehend that fucking your teacher was frowned upon? Come on.

 

[BobD]

This is gross. Whether you think you would have liked it or not, these kids are not "victims," they are victims. Abuse is abuse. Seriously, guys.

Mild abuse can at times be found enjoyable though...... Like when you can't breathe, but the last thing in the world you want is for her to get off your face.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

As a 17 year old kid, you couldn't comprehend that fucking your teacher was frowned upon? Come on.

As a teacher myself, this is some of the worst behavior I can think of. It's an incredible breach of trust.

Like it or not, there's a power dynamic here. Same as if the genders were reversed. It's coercion and these kids may well end up in therapy as a result.

 

[Rhode Irish]

As a teacher myself, this is some of the worst behavior I can think of. It's an incredible breach of trust.

Like it or not, there's a power dynamic here. Same as if the genders were reversed. It's coercion and these kids may well end up in therapy as a result.

Intellectually, I agree with you 100%. But as a former 17 year old boy I have to admit that I cannot help but think these kids should be thanking their lucky stars. I get why that might bother some people, but I'm just being real.

 

[woolybug25]

As a teacher myself, this is some of the worst behavior I can think of. It's an incredible breach of trust.

Like it or not, there's a power dynamic here. Same as if the genders were reversed. It's coercion and these kids may well end up in therapy as a result.

While I agree on the breach of trust in regards to the teacher/student dynamic, let's not put this out of context.

These kids are 17 years old. Which is old enough to join the armed forces, and in many states, consent to sexual relationships (non teacher relationship) with adults. So I personally wouldn't compare this to coercion (for all we know, the sex may have been instigated by the boys).

I'm sorry, but this is in an entirely different space as child molestation. I believe she should be punished, but people get convicted of murder, and in some cases, do not spend the rest of their life in prison.

Finally, and I say this jokingly, but like half of all pornos are this storyline. Ha

 

[IrishLax]

Intellectually, I agree with you 100%. But as a former 17 year old boy I have to admit that I cannot help but think these kids should be thanking their lucky stars. I get why that might bother some people, but I'm just being real.

Pretty much where I'm at. I cannot for the life of me understand what "harm" came to any of the "victims."

I mean that quite seriously... can someone please explain to me what tangible harm could've come to any of these guys per alleged actions? I'd change my mind if someone can make a good argument.

 

[BobD]

Intellectually, I agree with you 100%. But as a former 17 year old boy I have to admit that I cannot help but think these kids should be thanking their lucky stars. I get why that might bother some people, but I'm just being real.

Once they have to start dropping cash money on dates, they'll be wishing they had their free public education back.

 

[BobD]

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[phgreek]

As a teacher myself, this is some of the worst behavior I can think of. It's an incredible breach of trust.

Like it or not, there's a power dynamic here. Same as if the genders were reversed. It's coercion and these kids may well end up in therapy as a result.

totally agree...but none of these kids are going to need therapy. One of them pursued her pretty relentlessly, and she gave in after months...then he talked, and his boys jumped on, so to speak. What caused the legal issues...well the rumor mill started smoking pretty badly( 3 or 4 boys doin the teacher...surprise), and someone finally checked it out, and then there were cops...and here we are.

But she needs to do time...any position of trust violated like this should mean the clink.

 

[IrishinSyria]

She (obviously) should never be allowed to go near a school again in her life, but life in prison seems a lot too harsh to me.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Female Teachers as Sexual Predators | Psychology Today

So when it comes to sexual behavior with a male student, do female teachers use the same techniques of gradualism, grooming, flirting, and targeting as their male counterparts? Of course. Do female teachers who want sex seek out their targets specifically, looking for vulnerabilities, poor or missing family relationships, early sexual interest, and early physical development via male puberty? Certainly. Is there more institutional denial on school campuses and from administrators and districts as to the possibility of a female teacher engaging in sex with her student? Probably.

 

[pkt77242]

Female Teachers as Sexual Predators | Psychology Today

A couple of those things really don't apply to this situation (all 16-17 year old boys are sexually interested and whether they matured early or not doesn't really matter when they are 16 or 17). I think this would be a different conversation if the boy was 13 and met many of those criteria. Did she violate trust? Yes. Should she probably go to jail? Yes. Should she do life in prison? Nope.

Is there a double standard for how we treat boys and girls in this situation? Yes. The funny thing is that most women that I have known rail against how we treat boys and girls differently but once they have children of their own, they generally conform to the social norm of treating boys and girls differently (not to say that because it is a social norm that it is right, just that it is).

 

[dshans]

I stand with The Hawk on this.

A life sentence would be extreme, but something substantial beyond shame and losing her job is certainly warranted.

 

[pkt77242]

I stand with The Hawk on this.

A life sentence would be extreme, but something substantial beyond shame and losing her job is certainly warranted.

This is kind of where I am at, though I would go with a few years in prison and she is never allowed to teach again. That is unless she blackmailed them or something along that lines which changes the game.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Still wanna tap that fellas or is she free to go to jail now?

Yes. No chicks look good in a mugshot.

 

[tommyIRISH23]

I've been wondering about that, and I guess *as long as the sex was consensual according to the common and not legal definition of the word* I still wouldn't want to see the 35 year old guy go to prison over it.

I think in either case, it's clear that teaching is not a career field those people should be in, but I really struggle to see how exactly the 16 or 17 year old is a victim, regardless of gender. Obviously, if the teacher's advances are actually unwanted or if there's any sort of coercion involved, it's a different story.

As for why are the guys coming forward? If I had to guess the whole thing got started when a parent found out and people are piling on now to make sure they get their payday when the civil suit comes around.

Can't speak for Utah but in NJ, as long as both parties are of consenting age, the teacher in question is charged with official misconduct. That law does not allow teachers and students to have a sexual relationships. Similarly to how a prison guard can't have sex with a prisoner or a psychologist and patient. We just had a teacher who banged an 18 yr old 2 months before graduation. She wasn't charged with sexual assault but official misconduct. A lot of people can't grasp that it's not sexual assault that's the crime but rather the position the teacher holds forbids such contact

 

[wizards8507]

This is gross. Whether you think you would have liked it or not, these kids are not "victims," they are victims. Abuse is abuse. Seriously, guys.

Abuse is abuse, and this ain't it. The age of consent is completely arbitrary. There's nothing magical that happens biologically, socially, or morally on your 18th birthday.

 

[Irish Insanity]

The problem I have with this, more so than teacher single student incidence, is that she seemed to seek out several individuals and it wasn't gonna stop until someone came forward. Which means without substantial punishment she may do it again. However, life in prison is a bit much.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

This is kind of where I am at, though I would go with a few years in prison and she is never allowed to teach again. That is unless she blackmailed them or something along that lines which changes the game.

I'm not advocating for a life sentence. I just think it's one of the most morally reprehensible things in the world and didn't expect such a universal locker room mentality in this thread.

 

[wizards8507]

I'm not advocating for a life sentence. I just think it's one of the most morally reprehensible things in the world and didn't expect such a universal locker room mentality in this thread.

"Morally reprehensible?" For real? Two (biological) adults having consensual sex is morally reprehensible to you?

 

[NDBoiler]

I'm not advocating for a life sentence. I just think it's one of the most morally reprehensible things in the world and didn't expect such a universal locker room mentality in this thread.

I think it would be awesome, but then potentially very awkward too. Kind of like having a good time with a gal at work, but then you see her every day after that at the office.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

"Morally reprehensible?" For real? Two (biological) adults having consensual sex is morally reprehensible to you?

A teacher having sex with a high school student is morally reprehensible, yes.

 

[Crazy Balki]

Personally, I don't think she's a criminal. Let's face it, those dudes wanted a tap that. Without any further knowledge, that's all we can assume. If I were them, I'd be trying to get with that if I had the opportunity. Is it technically illegal? Yes. Should she lose her job? Absolutely, but let's be fair here. If your their father, I'm pretty sure you'd be high-fiving your son right now. Yeah, if the roles were reversed it would be completely different. Yes, it's a double standard to think that, but that's just the reality of the situation.

That being said, I do applaud the justice system for being fair in this situation, because lord knows had this been a male teacher having sex with female students, then he'd be behind bars. So, there's that.

But a life sentence is beyond excessive. I'd say a 2 year sentence at most. This isn't a situation where she'll be in a position to "strike again". She won't be teaching anywhere for the rest of her natural life. You've basically taken her element away from her.

 

[IrishJayhawk]

Personally, I don't think she's a criminal. Let's face it, those dudes wanted a tap that. Without any further knowledge, that's all we can assume. If I were them, I'd be trying to get with that if I had the opportunity. Is it technically illegal? Yes. Should she lose her job? Absolutely, but let's be fair here. If your their father, I'm pretty sure you'd be high-fiving your son right now. Yeah, if the roles were reversed it would be completely different. Yes, it's a double standard to think that, but that's just the reality of the situation.

No. I absolutely would not be doing that.

 

[wizards8507]

A teacher having sex with a high school student is morally reprehensible, yes.

I can get on board with your objection to the teacher-student dynamic. I think that's much more reasonable than the "...but they were only 16/17" argument.

 

[Crazy Balki]

No. I absolutely would not be doing that.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I'd be having a long and detailed discussion with him as to why what happened to him was wrong and make sure he has a full understanding of what happened, but let's face it, at the end of the day, I'm sure every father wants their son to be hitting it. It's just natural to see your son growing up and developing, and scoring with a hot chick. That being said, it doesn't make the situation morally right, but that's just my two cents.