Rioting in St Louis

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

If he was assaulted he'd look a lot different.

 

[NDohio]

If he was assaulted he'd look a lot different.

Call it what you want. Michael Brown laid his hands on that store owner while he was stealing from the man.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

I'm talking about Wilson.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

It's not true. Ask NJNP.

Yeah the fact that someone proved was a misinterpretation of the ruling.

 

[ickythump1225]

If he was assaulted he'd look a lot different.

Oh that you're right, that's not assault...just a playful love tap. What a good kid.

 

[woolybug25]

I'm talking about Wilson.

In the grand jury testimony, they show that Wilson had marks on his face. I don't think anyone questions the fact that he was assaulted.

Yeah the fact that someone proved was a misinterpretation of the ruling.

No he didn't. If he would have shot him running away, then yes. But all shots were from the front. He was referring to how it was said, not in relation to this specific case.

 

[GATTACA!]

I'm talking about Wilson.

Eye witnesses saw the two in a confrontation through the car window. Weather the damage meets your requirements or not he laid hands on an officer and clearly put Wilson in a situation where he felt threatened. Put your hands on an officer prepare to pay the price.

 

[ickythump1225]

I'm talking about Wilson.

At no point in time are you allowed to push a police officer back into his vehicle and reach for his firearm. End of story. It really is that cut and dry. Mike Brown would be alive today if he wouldn't have assaulted a police officer and reached for his gun. The very act of reaching for a police officer's weapon constitutes deadly force. Just because he's not busted up enough for your liking doesn't mean anything. Wilson 1000% acted within the scope of the law but then again most of the "protestors" don't care about the law. People, those in the media chief amongst them, just want to race hustle and incite rioting with emotionally charged fairy tales.

 

[calvegas04]

About time the national guard is brought in, that whole city should have been put on lock down last night

 

[SaltyND24]

At no point in time are you allowed to push a police officer back into his vehicle and reach for his firearm. End of story. It really is that cut and dry. Mike Brown would be alive today if he wouldn't have assaulted a police officer and reached for his gun. The very act of reaching for a police officer's weapon constitutes deadly force. Just because he's not busted up enough for your liking doesn't mean anything. Wilson 1000% acted within the scope of the law but then again most of the "protestors" don't care about the law. People, those in the media chief amongst them, just want to race hustle and incite rioting with emotionally charged fairy tales.

I don't deny what you say to be true or that Wilson may very well have acted in an appropriate manner, but do you think we should take a look at how we define such laws? Serious question

 

[NDohio]

At no point in time are you allowed to push a police officer back into his vehicle and reach for his firearm. End of story. It really is that cut and dry. Mike Brown would be alive today if he wouldn't have assaulted a police officer and reached for his gun. The very act of reaching for a police officer's weapon constitutes deadly force. Just because he's not busted up enough for your liking doesn't mean anything. Wilson 1000% acted within the scope of the law but then again most of the "protestors" don't care about the law. People, those in the media chief amongst them, just want to race hustle and incite rioting with emotionally charged fairy tales.

This is the worst part of the entire scene. The people of Ferguson are being completely used by the media. It's good theater. Ratings are going up. That city will never be the same.

 

[NDohio]

I don't deny what you say to be true or that Wilson may very well have acted in an appropriate manner, but do you think we should take a look at how we define such laws? Serious question

This is the perfect situation for a taser. As soon as Brown made contact with Wilson he should have been tased and cuffed. The situation is over.

 

[woolybug25]

There is security video footage of him committing the crime?

Yes, and assaulting the store owner.

 

[GATTACA!]

Yes, and assaulting the store owner.

Yeah i had posted it earlier. Kinda hard to claim he was wrongfully accused when there is footage and he was spotted holding the stolen merchandise

 

[MJ12666]

At no point in time are you allowed to push a police officer back into his vehicle and reach for his firearm. End of story. It really is that cut and dry. Mike Brown would be alive today if he wouldn't have assaulted a police officer and reached for his gun. The very act of reaching for a police officer's weapon constitutes deadly force. Just because he's not busted up enough for your liking doesn't mean anything. Wilson 1000% acted within the scope of the law but then again most of the "protestors" don't care about the law. People, those in the media chief amongst them, just want to race hustle and incite rioting with emotionally charged fairy tales.

This is absolutely correct and is being ignored. Basically the kid would be alive today if he had simply listened to the initial instructions of the officer to get out of the middle of the road and walk on the sidewalk. I don't particularly like the actions of some police officers but if they ask you to do something like stop walking down the middle of the road there is no reason not to comply.

 

[woolybug25]

Raise your hand if you've been neg repped by NJNP.

 

[GO IRISH!!!]

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[autry_denson]

I've said before that I think we make a big mistake in thinking that this entire episode is about the legal details of this case. The law has been set up so that it is incredibly difficult to indict police officers, as others have pointed out. In this context, if there is any uncertainty about an officer's intentions then s/he is unlikely to be charged. The anger that we've witnessed is not about the legal details, it's about the treatment of black people in and around Ferguson - and this growing resentment and anger was sparked by what looks like, to many people, a brutal killing of a young man and the bizarre, inhumane aftermath of that killing.

All that said, if one wants to focus on the details of what happened in the interaction between Brown and Wilson, then one should read this. Only one of the people involved is alive with a story to tell, and the story that he tells is, from the perspective of this author and this poster and a lot of other people, pretty difficult to believe.

Officer Darren Wilson's story is unbelievable. Literally. - Vox

 

[GoIrish41]

Do you even know the origin of the term redneck? If not, please do your research. My grandfather fought in the coal mine battles in the West Virginia mountains where the term redneck originated. So when you say "redneck" you are talking about family.

While you may tie the term back to the 1920s West Virginia Coal minors who faced a mercenary milia hired by millionaire coal barons, I don't think that is actually the origin of the word. Despite adopting the name "rednecks" after organizing and wearing a uniform that featured a red bandana worn around the neck, they appear to have borrowed the term from wealthy Southern plantation owners who felt the need to demonstrate their supremacy over poor uneducated white people. The coined the ter "redneck" to disparage white field laborers who could be identified by the sunburns on their necks.

The first use of the term appears to refer to the Scottish Covenanters of the 17th century, an independence movement created in response to England’s King Charles I, who took steps to bring Scotland’s Presbyterian church under his control. In 1638, Scottish Presbyterians signed the National Covenant, declaring their allegiance to their religion over the King of England. The Covenanters signed in blood, and to symbolize this oath, wore blood-red bandannas around their necks. Under English persecution, many Covenanters joined the Scottish migration to Ireland that began in the early 1600s.

For the purposes of my reference to the word, I use a definition similar to the one that
Merriam-Webster as “a white person who lives in a small town or in the country especially in the southern U.S., who typically has a working-class job, and who is seen by others as being uneducated and having opinions and attitudes that are offensive.”

I, of course, meant no offense to your family origin -- even if you don't know it as well as you think.

 

[BobD]

Hey let's take a break from the bickering. Can you guys help me with something?I want to be more in charge at work. They treat me like shit, I feel neglected and unheard. Here are some ideas I have to make things better and earn some respect. Please let me know what you think and share your suggestions.

1. Shout demands at my boss.
2. Lay in front of his car so he can't leave tonight.
3. Light his office on fire.....no scratch that, LIGHT MY OFFICE on fire.

 

[GATTACA!]

Hey let's take a break from the bickering. Can you guys help me with something?I want to be more in charge at work. They treat me like shit, I feel neglected and unheard. Here are some ideas I have to make things better and earn some respect. Please let me know what you think and share your suggestions.

1. Shout demands at my boss.
2. Lay in front of his car so he can't leave tonight.
3. Light his office on fire.....no scratch that, LIGHT MY OFFICE on fire.

Sounds good just make sure you steal everything from your office before you set it on fire, that will really drive your point home.

 

[T Town Tommy]

While you may tie the term back to the 1920s West Virginia Coal minors who faced a mercenary milia hired by millionaire coal barons, I don't think that is actually the origin of the word. Despite adopting the name "rednecks" after organizing and wearing a uniform that featured a red bandana worn around the neck, they appear to have borrowed the term from wealthy Southern plantation owners who felt the need to demonstrate their supremacy over poor uneducated white people. The coined the ter "redneck" to disparage white field laborers who could be identified by the sunburns on their necks.

The first use of the term appears to refer to the Scottish Covenanters of the 17th century, an independence movement created in response to England’s King Charles I, who took steps to bring Scotland’s Presbyterian church under his control. In 1638, Scottish Presbyterians signed the National Covenant, declaring their allegiance to their religion over the King of England. The Covenanters signed in blood, and to symbolize this oath, wore blood-red bandannas around their necks. Under English persecution, many Covenanters joined the Scottish migration to Ireland that began in the early 1600s.

For the purposes of my reference to the word, I use a definition similar to the one that
Merriam-Webster as “a white person who lives in a small town or in the country especially in the southern U.S., who typically has a working-class job, and who is seen by others as being uneducated and having opinions and attitudes that are offensive.”

I, of course, meant no offense to your family origin -- even if you don't know it as well as you think.

The Scottish hostory of the term redneck is indeed correct but to apply that to the term redneck in connection with the coal mine conflicts is a stretch that even historians disagree on. As far as American history, the term is largly credited to come from those said coal mine conflicts, as to which my grandfather was a part of. But, why should I take his word for it - you know the guy who was there and a part of it - when I have your fervent analytical skills with my family history and heritage?

Just so you know, my family origin comes from German/Austrian/Swiss roots tracked back to around 1538. So... I know much more about my heritage than you do. But thanks for your dissertation.

 

[Rack Em]

Raise your hand if you've been neg repped by NJNP.

Shit I need to try harder I guess.

 

[woolybug25]

I've said before that I think we make a big mistake in thinking that this entire episode is about the legal details of this case. The law has been set up so that it is incredibly difficult to indict police officers, as others have pointed out. In this context, if there is any uncertainty about an officer's intentions then s/he is unlikely to be charged. The anger that we've witnessed is not about the legal details, it's about the treatment of black people in and around Ferguson - and this growing resentment and anger was sparked by what looks like, to many people, a brutal killing of a young man and the bizarre, inhumane aftermath of that killing.

All that said, if one wants to focus on the details of what happened in the interaction between Brown and Wilson, then one should read this. Only one of the people involved is alive with a story to tell, and the story that he tells is, from the perspective of this author and this poster and a lot of other people, pretty difficult to believe.

Officer Darren Wilson's story is unbelievable. Literally. - Vox

That article, that entire site for that matter, is really off it's rocker. That's not journalism at all. Here is one part I take specific concern with:

But the larger question is, in a sense, simpler: Why?

Why did Michael Brown, an 18-year-old kid headed to college, refuse to move from the middle of the street to the sidewalk? Why would he curse out a police officer? Why would he attack a police officer? Why would he dare a police officer to shoot him? Why would he charge a police officer holding a gun? Why would he put his hand in his waistband while charging, even though he was unarmed?

NONE OF THIS FITS WITH WHAT WE KNOW OF MICHAEL BROWN

None of this fits with what we know of Michael Brown. Brown wasn't a hardened felon. He didn't have a death wish. And while he might have been stoned, this isn't how stoned people act. The toxicology report did not indicate he was on PCP or something that would've led to suicidal aggression.

I don't know why.... Maybe it was the same reason that made him steal from a convenient store and assault the owner. That isn't even something we don't know for sure, we know for a fact that it happened. So why would it be so "out of character" for him to talk back to an officer? Attack an officer when confronted? Maybe because he isn't just some sweet "18 year old kid preparing for college", but rather a criminal.

What is it about Michael Brown that people know that seemed so out of character? Because would those people also say that it was out of character for him to steal and assault from a convenient store?

 

[kmoose]

The anger that we've witnessed is not about the legal details, it's about the treatment of black people in and around Ferguson - and this growing resentment and anger was sparked by what looks like, to many people, a brutal killing of a young man and the bizarre, inhumane aftermath of that killing.

So the answer to that is to burn and loot black owned businesses?

 

[ickythump1225]

I don't deny what you say to be true or that Wilson may very well have acted in an appropriate manner, but do you think we should take a look at how we define such laws? Serious question

No. If I am police officer being over powered by an individual much larger than me and said individual reaches for my firearm I believe I should have every right to protect myself. Put yourself in the position of the officer and ask yourself if you would like the chance to protect yourself in that same situation. There is nothing wrong with the law, the only problem is the race baiting media and worthless scumbags like Al Sharpton.

 

[GoIrish41]

The Scottish hostory of the term redneck is indeed correct but to apply that to the term redneck in connection with the coal mine conflicts is a stretch that even historians disagree on. As far as American history, the term is largly credited to come from those said coal mine conflicts, as to which my grandfather was a part of. But, why should I take his word for it - you know the guy who was there and a part of it - when I have your fervent analytical skills with my family history and heritage?

Just so you know, my family origin comes from German/Austrian/Swiss roots tracked back to around 1538. So... I know much more about my heritage than you do. But thanks for your dissertation.

Dude take it easy. I have madr it clear what my poony of reference was. Do we have to know the historical connotation of every term we use on IE now? Clearly i was not taking a swipe at you ot your family.

 

[ickythump1225]

Hey let's take a break from the bickering. Can you guys help me with something?I want to be more in charge at work. They treat me like shit, I feel neglected and unheard. Here are some ideas I have to make things better and earn some respect. Please let me know what you think and share your suggestions.

1. Shout demands at my boss.
2. Lay in front of his car so he can't leave tonight.
3. Light his office on fire.....no scratch that, LIGHT MY OFFICE on fire.

 

[IrishLax]

That article, that entire site for that matter, is really off it's rocker. That's not journalism at all. Here is one part I take specific concern with:



I don't know why.... Maybe it was the same reason that made him steal from a convenient store and assault the owner. That isn't even something we don't know for sure, we know for a fact that it happened. So why would it be so "out of character" for him to talk back to an officer? Attack an officer when confronted? Maybe because he isn't just some sweet "18 year old kid preparing for college", but rather a criminal.

What is it about Michael Brown that people know that seemed so out of character? Because would those people also say that it was out of character for him to steal and assault from a convenient store?

What's doubly moronic with that "article's" line of reasoning is that you could apply it the other way better...

Unless you accept that Wilson is a sociopath or otherwise homicidal or clinically insane (possible), then the other accounts that he just murdered someone in cold blood in the middle of day for no reason who he didn't know and did nothing wrong is FAR more outlandish than what the article purports would be "impossible" for Brown to have done.

Just logic 101. Have to apply it equally both ways. I have no idea who did what, but it's disappointing when people assert the veracity of one series of events while dismissing the other outright based on faulty critical thinking.

Again, IMO, there are much bigger and more important questions for people to be focusing on about WHY it's hard to hold Wilson accountable for his actions and WHY the Ferguson police were allowed to act how they did after the incident... and what reform steps should be taken to mitigate this type of situation for future citizens of this country. Salty, Bluto, and many others have made really good points and given good anecdotes about how police can be empowered to overstep what is "reasonable" with no consequences.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Dude take it easy. I have madr it clear what my poony of reference was. Do we have to know the historical connotation of every term we use on IE now? Clearly i was not taking a swipe at you ot your family.

Only if you use it to justify your backhanded compliments. But hey... now you know more than you did a few minutes ago about my heritage. Enjoy.