The Jameis Winston Investigation Thread

[Irishcop]

Counter point: How do any of us have time to do actual work when we're on IE all day?

I work the night shift.

 

[PANDFAN]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>VIDEO: Bobby Bowden on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FSU?src=hash">#FSU</a> QB Jameis Winston: "He does things that kids in grammar school would do." <a href="http://t.co/pczxioZCND">http://t.co/pczxioZCND</a></p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/523126437230825474">October 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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[Whiskeyjack]

Jimbo has no self respect. On Mike and Mike he said he has no reason to disbelieve Winston because he was never dishonest with him in the past. Does he think everyone will forget that Winston lied about the profanity incident? He is just shamelessly recalling only the most convenient version of the facts.

"It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends on his not understanding it." - Upton Sinclair - Michael Scott

when does Winston have the time to study

Myron Rolle does it for him.

 

[wizards8507]

Jameis Winston of Florida State Seminoles moves forward with student judiciary hearing - ESPN

 

[Ultimate Penn St. Hater]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>VIDEO: Bobby Bowden on <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/FSU?src=hash">#FSU</a> QB Jameis Winston: "He does things that kids in grammar school would do." <a href="http://t.co/pczxioZCND">http://t.co/pczxioZCND</a></p>— Matt Fortuna (@Matt_Fortuna) <a href="https://twitter.com/Matt_Fortuna/status/523126437230825474">October 17, 2014</a></blockquote>
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Grammar school kids selling their autographs? Sexual assault? BB gun fights, shooting out of cars?

Bobby should have said that Winston has the intelligence of a child.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

The problem with Bowden, the first generation of criminole dysfunction, is the core of his statement; that grade school kids do what he did. Rape? Rape is equitable to immaturity? Bull-fvckn-sheet! Rape is deviant behavior. Nothing more or less. Until the media and authority take equating rape to immature behavior off the table, and acknowledge that it fits nowhere on the scale or plane of normal behavior, we are going to get people saying, "Awh, he really didn't mean anything by it, or "She was asking for it!"

And finally, if you want to see how diseased Bobby's perspective is, he clearly labled JW a sociopath, and said it as a good thing! (In the way he described his ability to turn all his emotions off when he was under center; chilling!)

 

[GoldenDome]

The problem with Bowden, the first generation of criminole dysfunction, is the core of his statement; that grade school kids do what he did. Rape? Rape is equitable to immaturity? Bull-fvckn-sheet! Rape is deviant behavior. Nothing more or less. Until the media and authority take equating behavior off the table and acknowledge that it fits nowhere on the scale or plane of normal behavior, we are going to get people saying, "Awh, he really didn't mean anything by it, or "She was asking for it!"

And finally, if you want to see how diseased Bobby's perspective is, he clearly labled JW a sociopath, and said it as a good thing! (In the way he described his ability to turn all his emotions off when he was under center; chilling!)

But your whole premise is based on opinion, assuming that he did indeed commit rape. Are you saying you know something prosecutors and investigators could not reveal? Were you an eye witness?

Making an argument based on pure assumption is a weak argument at that.

 

[connor_in]

But your whole premise is based on opinion, assuming that he did indeed commit rape. Are you saying you know something prosecutors and investigators could not reveal? Were you an eye witness?

Making an argument based on pure assumption is a weak argument at that.

See the facts of the case from the accusers side...there was an article posted yesterday. Yes, circumstantial, but circumstantial has put people away before

 

[connor_in]

Grammar school kids selling their autographs? Sexual assault? BB gun fights, shooting out of cars?

Bobby should have said that Winston has the intelligence of a child.

One of my favorite quotes, "Not childlike, with its connotations of innocence and joyous abandon, but childish."

 

[woolybug25]

But your whole premise is based on opinion, assuming that he did indeed commit rape. Are you saying you know something prosecutors and investigators could not reveal? Were you an eye witness?

Making an argument based on pure assumption is a weak argument at that.

That's BS. There is plenty of timeline and facts that we do know. It wasn't that prosecutors and investigators had no info, they were never able to present it in a court of law. Come to find out now by several independent reports, it looks like the reasoning for that was FSU and the Tallahassee PD.

Acting like there is nothing to this story is disingenuous.

 

[irishfan]

I wonder what would happen if the NCAA told FSU:

"We're going to fully investigate the autograph situation. Feel free to play Winston if you think he's innocent. If you sit him out, you wont receive any punishment even if we prove he took money. If you play him and he's found guilty, you will face significant violations."

I'm curious if FSU would sit him. I also think this is similar to what the NCAA said to A&M when they gave him the 1/2 game suspension last year. We can't prove anything easily, so just take the 1/2 game suspension and let's end this before we have to have a full investigation.

 

[IrishLax]

He's playing.

As an aside, I'm embarrassed beyond belief that Stan Wilcox is a Notre Dame graduate and handling things how he is. I know that he is new to the job and most of this mess predated him but he is doing absolutely nothing to get it under control... whereas he should be completely cleaning house.

 

[pkt77242]

He's playing.

As an aside, I'm embarrassed beyond belief that Stan Wilcox is a Notre Dame graduate and handling things how he is. I know that he is new to the job and most of this mess predated him but he is doing absolutely nothing to get it under control... whereas he should be completely cleaning house.

I am embarrassed that they put September 17th instead of October 17th. Unless they have known about it for a month. Maybe they paid the dealer that paid Gurley to take the heat off of Winston?

 

[ACamp1900]

I am embarrassed that they put September 17th instead of October 17th. Unless they have known about it for a month.

I'm actually impressed they spelled 'September" correctly...

 

[wizards8507]

He's playing.

As an aside, I'm embarrassed beyond belief that Stan Wilcox is a Notre Dame graduate and handling things how he is. I know that he is new to the job and most of this mess predated him but he is doing absolutely nothing to get it under control... whereas he should be completely cleaning house.

That's not real, is it? They can't possibly sign their official press releases "hashtag Noles," right?

 

[IrishLax]

That's not real, is it? They can't possibly sign their official press releases "hashtag Noles," right?

They did. And got the date wrong.

 

[PANDFAN]

That's not real, is it? They can't possibly sign their official press releases "hashtag Noles," right?

IT'S REAL

 

[Classic Irish]

One of my favorite quotes, "Not childlike, with its connotations of innocence and joyous abandon, but childish."

MASH reference?

 

[pkt77242]

MASH reference?

That is a great episode of MASH.

In my short stay here I have seen textbook examples of neuroses, psychoses. I have seen voyeurism, fetishism, and a few isms I've never even heard of. And let me tell you this, General. These impossible people are in an impossible place, doing totally impossible work. They're mad, quite mad, all of them. And the only act I can think of that would be madder still, would be breaking them up.

 

[Classic Irish]

That is a great episode of MASH.

Indeed it is. If I recall correctly, as the visiting psychiatrist is distinguishing between "childlike" and "childish," Trapper or Hawkeye throws a paper airplane at Henry Blake. Hilarious.

And reps!

 

[ACamp1900]

wow, caught a TV reference from a random episode of Mash from thirty years ago... impressive.

 

[Classic Irish]

wow, caught a TV reference from a random episode of Mash from thirty years ago... impressive.

I beg your pardon! That was forty years ago! :embar:

 

[phork]

Did any of you really think he wasn't playing?

 

[PLACforever]

Well the good news is that for the first time in a long time, almost the whole country is rooting for ND.

 

[connor_in]

MASH reference?

You guys make me feel so proud. #FEELS

 

[T Town Tommy]

I wonder what would happen if the NCAA told FSU:

"We're going to fully investigate the autograph situation. Feel free to play Winston if you think he's innocent. If you sit him out, you wont receive any punishment even if we prove he took money. If you play him and he's found guilty, you will face significant violations."

I'm curious if FSU would sit him. I also think this is similar to what the NCAA said to A&M when they gave him the 1/2 game suspension last year. We can't prove anything easily, so just take the 1/2 game suspension and let's end this before we have to have a full investigation.

I think the A&M ordeal went down slightly differently. The Aggies were well prepared to go to court if the NCAA moved on JFF. The NCAA at that point took what they could get - which was the half game suspension. They really had no choice as they had zero proof JFF received $$ for signing. I think they knew they would lose in court when, not if, A&M took them there.

I do think the same applies here with JW. No proof gives the NCAA very little leverage if any at all.

 

[Irish Insanity]

I didn't like JW or their coach to begin with, but for me the reality of this situation came to light with the 1 game suspension. JW comes out dressed for a game he was told he was suspended for. He is told to change and does so. But as Jimbo is talking to him after he comes back from changing, you can clearly see him apologize to JW and take the blame for the situation. The coach apologizes to his player for being suspended and how he was treated when he blatantly ignored his suspension. It's pathetic.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Did any of you really think he wasn't playing?

They sat him against Clemson because he yelled something vulgar on campus. So it wasn't outrageous to expect that they might sit him against us since mountains of circumstantial evidence regarding NCAA violations have just come to light. But no, that'd make too much sense.

 

[irishfan]

They sat him against Clemson because he yelled something vulgar on campus. So it wasn't outrageous to expect that they might sit him against us since mountains of circumstantial evidence regarding NCAA violations have just come to light. But no, that'd make too much sense.

Ya, I thought they would sit him to be honest.

I thought the media pressure would be enormous based on the autographs. I know they had no proof cash like they do with Gurley, but I just thought they would cave based on the fact that its pretty clear that that he did get cash for them.

Plus they already pulled him for the Clemson game as Whiskey noted. And that wasn't any sort of potential violation.

Plus Vegas pulled the game on Monday. Early in the week, I 100% thought they were going to sit him for this game. By about Wednesday it was clear they wouldn't. I'm surprised the sportsbooks haven't put this game back up yet. Maybe they were waiting for the Friday PM bad news dump from FSU that never came?

Edit: meant to respond to phork

 

[Pachuco]

So let me get this straight...

The majority of people are voting for Winston to sit because he's a terrible human being, and it's wrong for him to be playing Saturday just on a beyond-football life-reason level. Correct?

If so, I completely understand.

Otherwise, what??? You don't want him to play???

The jerk needs to see the field tomorrow, and we need to crush him or sit down.