Hit of the Year.

[AKRowdy]

Anyone else think we should've ran a pass play the next play because scUM would've never seen it coming and to get our points back?

 

[Booslum31]

Anyone else think we should've ran a pass play the next play because scUM would've never seen it coming and to get our points back?

Not feeling it JTrain.

 

[greyhammer90]

I totally get all of that, and agree with some of it. But, the play was called for unnecessary roughness. And that is exactly what it was. Just because guys are wearing gear doesn't mean you have to take every opportunity to try to decapitate someone who has no prayer of being involved in the play.

An awesome hit isn't cleaning someone's clock who doesn't see you coming and you are away from the play. This is the type of hit that is the hit of the year:


That is a football play and a BIG hit.

You keep acting like Gardner was fifty yards away and running in the opposite direction. He was within ten yards of the returner and was jogging (admittedly half heartedly but still) to the narrow side of the field to close off the hole that was just barely wide enough for Shumate to squeeze through without going out of bounds. I'd actually say if someone doesn't block Gardner that's not a touchdown anyway because Shumate would've had to bounce it out to the rest of the Michigan team.

So really the only problem was that Redfield hit him hard which is crazy because this IS football.

 

[BobD]

No matter what it's nice talking about violence in one of our games and we aren't the victim.

 

[Rhode Irish]

You keep acting like Gardner was fifty yards away and running in the opposite direction. He was within ten yards of the returner and was jogging (admittedly half heartedly but still) to the narrow side of the field to close off the hole that was just barely wide enough for Shumate to squeeze through without going out of bounds. I'd actually say if someone doesn't block Gardner that's not a touchdown anyway because Shumate would've had to bounce it out to the rest of the Michigan team.

So really the only problem was that Redfield hit him hard which is crazy because this IS football.

I just simply don't agree. Gardner was not and would not have been a factor in the return. He wasn't in position to make a play and did not appear at all interested in trying to make a play. He had clearly given up and was just kind of wandering in that direction.

 

[goldandblue]

My question is, in the heat of the moment when the interception is thrown, How am I as a defensive player supposed to differentiate between the QB and any other player on the field? There is no physical marking for a qb that is any different than any other player on the field. Depending on the angles that the defensive player and qb are aligned, the number may not be visible.

 

[peoriairish]

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[Rhode Irish]

My question is, in the heat of the moment when the interception is thrown, How am I as a defensive player supposed to differentiate between the QB and any other player on the field? There is no physical marking for a qb that is any different than any other player on the field. Depending on the angles that the defensive player and qb are aligned, the number may not be visible.

Whether he was a QB or not, the hit was the definition of unnecessary roughness. It actually qualified as unnecessary roughness in three ways:

• A player obviously out of the play.
• A player who receives a blind-side block.
• A quarterback any time after a change of possession.

Maybe protecting the QB in that way is silly, but the other two things are on the list because it is dangerous to blind-siding a guy or smash someone that isn't in the play and not prepared to take that hit. We all like football partially because it can be violent, and that can be fun to watch. But the point of football isn't to injure people, and to risk an injury to someone who isn't in the play when the game is already over (figuratively and literally) is a bad look.

 

[Butchie]

I totally get all of that, and agree with some of it. But, the play was called for unnecessary roughness. And that is exactly what it was. Just because guys are wearing gear doesn't mean you have to take every opportunity to try to decapitate someone who has no prayer of being involved in the play.

An awesome hit isn't cleaning someone's clock who doesn't see you coming and you are away from the play. This is the type of hit that is the hit of the year:

That is a football play and a BIG hit.

I'm sorry RI but your statement is moronic. Unnecessary roughness? Because you get pushed down . . . yes pushed down little girl. No chance of making a play? He was within 20 yards of the guy with the ball and closing. Get your head outta your keester. The only thing bush league about the play was the call. We got ROBBED!
SCREW BLUE
GO IRISH!

 

[Butchie]

My question is, in the heat of the moment when the interception is thrown, How am I as a defensive player supposed to differentiate between the QB and any other player on the field? There is no physical marking for a qb that is any different than any other player on the field. Depending on the angles that the defensive player and qb are aligned, the number may not be visible.

If you don't want your bell rung pay attention and don't wear #98. Not a QB #. YOU GONNA GET DEBOED!

 

[GoldenDomer]

Jaylon should have hit him instead.

 

[Butchie]

I just simply don't agree. Gardner was not and would not have been a factor in the return. He wasn't in position to make a play and did not appear at all interested in trying to make a play. He had clearly given up and was just kind of wandering in that direction.

WTF does "wandering in that direction" mean? Your posts are getting better with each passing moment. He deserved his bell rung for "Wandering" during a game.

 

[phork]

Sorry dood. Keep Your Head On A Swivel. First thing I ever learned in football and the first thing I teach my kids.

Secondly he appeared to be sizing up the returner, jogging toward that side of the field and had plenty of time to run him down.

He got hit in the shoulder, which spun him around in such a way that he was facing Redfield. Direct hit on the shoulder or back means he falls differently.

If you look at this clip, you can see that he is in range of the returner, because the returner is not in the frame yet. Gardner to sideline is about 10 yards and being the athlete he is, he could have easily made that play.

Also used his hands and forearms to hit him, not his head. Not a shot to Gardners head either.

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[Rhode Irish]

Jaylon should have hit him instead.

It is worth noting that, even though I don't think Gardner could have gotten to the play, Onwualu had him lined up for a legit block that would have been fine.

Anyways, I'm not trying to go on a crusade about this. On a scale of 1 to 10, I care about this about a 1.5. But I think there is some homerism going on here. Even if you think he could have been in on the play, the hit was a "blind-side" hit by definition, so it was a clear penalty. I like seeing Michigan guys get laid out as much as anyone here, because fuck Michigan. But this cost us the exclamation point on the jail-sexing we put on them that they will have to live with until the next time we meet, God knows when. I would have wanted that TD rather than seeing Gardner get laid out. But its whatever. Not a big deal.

 

[Buster Bluth]

 

[phork]

Fucking love how he just goes all raggedy andy.

 

[Johannes]

I just don't buy the idea that Max is supposed to let up because Gardner had quit on the play/game/his team. That's his damn fault. Gardner was in a position to make a play. Just because he was half-assing it on the last play of the game (which he had no business being a part of in the first place, but I digress), doesn't mean Max should dial it back to the Michigan level of effort.

The Irish defense played 100% from whistle to whistle all four quarters. I'd be pissed if they started mailing it in just because Michigan had given up. That's not their identity.

 

[CrystalHead]

The way NBC was talking is this was a penalty because it was the QB and they are protected from this kind of block after an interception. IMO after an INT the QB should have to sit on the ground with his back to the action to insure his safety. Maybe put flags on him so he is protected from a blind side hit from a backside DE. Or go even further and make the dual threat QB unable to cross the line of scrimmage in fear of taking a big hit from a strong safety flying in. This was not a cheap shot and this is FOOTBALL! 31-0 and F@CK MICHIGAN!

 

[FLDomer]

Trumbetti got blasted early in the game and to me seemed more of a helmet to helmet shot.....no flags.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Gotta go with the MSU OL who crushed the Oregon DB. Nasty. Best hit I have seen thus far. Shocked the Duck player got up from it.

 

[dublinirish]

Hayes Pullard got ejected in the USC-Stanford and it was a text book example of targeting

 

[irish1958]

Our DB intercepts the pass and starts down the sideline trying to score. The man leading the defensive pack wearing the number of a lineman, having the best angle to the ball carrier, and moving to close it AT THE SAME SPEED AS THE NEAREST TWO PURSUERS is blocked legally and taken out of the play. This is not a cheap shot, nor is it unnecessary roughness.
It is fitting that on the last play of the series we were screwed again by Michigam! (Not a typo.)

 

[Bogtrotter07]

It is worth noting that, even though I don't think Gardner could have gotten to the play, Onwualu had him lined up for a legit block that would have been fine.

Anyways, I'm not trying to go on a crusade about this. On a scale of 1 to 10, I care about this about a 1.5. But I think there is some homerism going on here. Even if you think he could have been in on the play, the hit was a "blind-side" hit by definition, so it was a clear penalty. I like seeing Michigan guys get laid out as much as anyone here, because fuck Michigan. But this cost us the exclamation point on the jail-sexing we put on them that they will have to live with until the next time we meet, God knows when. I would have wanted that TD rather than seeing Gardner get laid out. But its whatever. Not a big deal.

I agree with all you say. Except, I think them taking the last touchdown away from us was the exclamation point at the end of the sentence!

At some level, almost everyone off the board (non-poster) that I have talked too saw that as a worthless call that flew in the face of the major ass whipping ND put on them. If you noticed, their whole team was limping and had the shiit beat out of them in the second half. This call to me, and most I talked to was an interpretation of a gray area, that was analogous of the lack of calls Michigan got, compared to the actual fouls they committed.

About a different game we were talking. It wasn't that ND was so much bigger, stronger, or "badder." It was that ND was so much faster, and better conditioned. When your line is significantly faster, as a lineman, your choices are two; hold or get beat. Michigan held on both sides of the ball. That is why they looked so beat to shiit by the end of the game. Because if you hold consistently, you expose yourself to another guy cleaning your clock. I had someone tell me that Michigan could have been called for 30 offensive and defensive holding penalties, two facemasks, two targeting calls, and one dead ball foul, (none of course were flagged.) That is ridiculous. And on the other hand, ND played an incredibly mistake free game.

As far as our offensive line, Kelly said he sacrificed the run game for his passing game, and in fact he kept running as much as he did to keep Mattison stacking the box and loading the inside gaps. I don't know how many of you have played ball above a Pop Warner level, let alone played in the trenches. But playing against a defense that is +2 from one side B gap to the other, with linemen that hold, is not going to produce results running, unless you are so much bigger and more powerful than your opponent, (see Michigan's running result against AppState.) I have heard from many amateur "recruitnicks" that we must have turned off runningback recruits, but this would be anything but the case with any that knew football. (It is called an understanding of the game and the concept of teamwork.)

 

[Monk]

Yes! Wow that was awesome. I'll see if I can find it. He surely popped up real quick but I think he laid down on the sidelines after he got up.

Here it is:
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As soon as I saw this thread I was thinking this hit.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

No one seems to be mentioning that if Max didn't hit Gardner, James O. would have. Either way, Devin was going to get laid out. Why? Because he was close to the play and actively jogging towards Shumate. His angle of pursuit proved that while he may not have made the tackle, he was at least going to be in the vicinity. It's a horseshit call and the scoreboard should say 37-0.

 

[RDU Irish]

Don't have the video but trumbetti took a shot. Glad he made it back into the game!

Tuitt got thrown out at Pitt for WAY less than that crown of the helmet Trumbetti took on.

Curious to see more commentary on Redfield's hit. Seems pretty quite from commentators, probably because it begs the question of how retarded Hoke was to have him in the game at that point and it seems the call was questionable to boot. Can't imagine the talking heads would be half as merciful if we were on the receiving end of that beat down and left our starting QB out there to get legally plowed while jogging toward the guy returning the INT he just threw.

 

[RDU Irish]

I agree with all you say. Except, I think them taking the last touchdown away from us was the exclamation point at the end of the sentence!

At some level, almost everyone off the board (non-poster) that I have talked too saw that as a worthless call that flew in the face of the major ass whipping ND put on them. If you noticed, their whole team was limping and had the shiit beat out of them in the second half. This call to me, and most I talked to was an interpretation of a gray area, that was analogous of the lack of calls Michigan got, compared to the actual fouls they committed.

About a different game we were talking. It wasn't that ND was so much bigger, stronger, or "badder." It was that ND was so much faster, and better conditioned. When your line is significantly faster, as a lineman, your choices are two; hold or get beat. Michigan held on both sides of the ball. That is why they looked so beat to shiit by the end of the game. Because if you hold consistently, you expose yourself to another guy cleaning your clock. I had someone tell me that Michigan could have been called for 30 offensive and defensive holding penalties, two facemasks, two targeting calls, and one dead ball foul, (none of course were flagged.) That is ridiculous. And on the other hand, ND played an incredibly mistake free game.

As far as our offensive line, Kelly said he sacrificed the run game for his passing game, and in fact he kept running as much as he did to keep Mattison stacking the box and loading the inside gaps. I don't know how many of you have played ball above a Pop Warner level, let alone played in the trenches. But playing against a defense that is +2 from one side B gap to the other, with linemen that hold, is not going to produce results running, unless you are so much bigger and more powerful than your opponent, (see Michigan's running result against AppState.) I have heard from many amateur "recruitnicks" that we must have turned off runningback recruits, but this would be anything but the case with any that knew football. (It is called an understanding of the game and the concept of teamwork.)

You think our boys were coached up to EXPECT the refs to make every freaking marginal call in UM's favor as per usual? Therefore, just don't do it or retaliate? And Redfield's flag was BS, pure mercy call by the refs and the way our team handled the call is awesome. They can have it back but everyone on the planet knows that pick six is more legit than all of the "chicken" rhetoric coming out of that pack of asshats.

 

[BleedBlueGold]

2014 Michigan at Notre Dame | Noonkick

23:00 mark of the video if someone can make a gif from it. There's an angle in the replay that shows it best. The UM player clearly targeted Trumbetti, lead with his helmet, and hit him in the helmet. Terrible, terrible missed call.

 

[RDU Irish]

WTF does "wandering in that direction" mean? Your posts are getting better with each passing moment. He deserved his bell rung for "Wandering" during a game.

Post more Butchie, reps.

 

[Booslum31]

Gardner was already flinching from the hit he expected from James O when Max laid the wood. I think the main reason the flag was thrown was because he laid there like a log after the hit. Can't make that call and not call the one on Trumbetti.