'13 MI OT Steven Elmer (Notre Dame Early Enrollee)

[EuropeanDomer]

Have a feeling he will be playing guard he rest of his college career. But could be a rt in the pros

I agree.

Stanley-Elmer-Martin-Lombard-Mglinchey?

 

[Crazy Balki]

I agree.

Stanley-Elmer-Martin-Lombard-Mglinchey?

That's the most likely starting 5. Frankly, I may get flak for this, but I think this line will be better than last year's. Sure, they lost Martin and Watt, who were very solid guys who held the group together and were excellent linemen in their own right, but I think the guys that are replacing them have more upside and unlike most situations when you're replacing a starter, they have legitimate starting experience. There MAY be some growing pains early on, but Hiestand has done an excellent job developing the linemen so far, and Elmer and Stanley have looked excellent to this point in the time they've gotten on the field.

Honestly, I see all 5 of these starters getting drafted. Lombard may be a toss-up, but if he can stay healthy and play as well or better than last year, then I see him getting drafted. Martin is one of the best centers in the country, so that's a given. McGlinchey is an unknown, but his insane athleticism and Hiestand's tutelage can get him there. Elmer and Stanley could very well end up going in the 1st-3rd rounds. All of these guys have yet to hit their college ceiling, and they're sky high.

 

[pkt77242]

That's the most likely starting 5. Frankly, I may get flak for this, but I think this line will be better than last year's. Sure, they lost Martin and Watt, who were very solid guys who held the group together and were excellent linemen in their own right, but I think the guys that are replacing them have more upside and unlike most situations when you're replacing a starter, they have legitimate starting experience. There MAY be some growing pains early on, but Hiestand has done an excellent job developing the linemen so far, and Elmer and Stanley have looked excellent to this point in the time they've gotten on the field.

Honestly, I see all 5 of these starters getting drafted. Lombard may be a toss-up, but if he can stay healthy and play as well or better than last year, then I see him getting drafted. Martin is one of the best centers in the country, so that's a given. McGlinchey is an unknown, but his insane athleticism and Hiestand's tutelage can get him there. Elmer and Stanley could very well end up going in the 1st-3rd rounds. All of these guys have yet to hit their college ceiling, and they're sky high.

I get that about whoever replaces Watt but Martin? Martin went #16 overall, that is some big fucking shoes to fill. Damn.

Either you have big fucking balls to keep making predictions like this or you are smoking some crazy shit. Either way good for you, I just disagree.

 

[Irish YJ]

Martin was a stud and those are huge cleats to fill, but I do think our line over the next 3 years a minimum will be the best we seen in a while. We've got a remarkable group of kids. Stars don't always equate to great things, but we do have a great deal of talent with a high ceiling. The Martin boys (both being 3 stars) are certainly exceptions to the star rule!!

My biggest hope is that Lombard can stay healthy. Would love to see him kill it this year.

 

[Crazy Balki]

I get that about whoever replaces Watt but Martin? Martin went #16 overall, that is some big fucking shoes to fill. Damn.

Either you have big fucking balls to keep making predictions like this or you are smoking some crazy shit. Either way good for you, I just disagree.

Well, I have to disagree with your disagreement. I liked Martin, and I stated that those were some big shoes to fill, but Stanley is more than capable of doing so. He is among the most athletic big men in the country and has been with Hiestand for over 2 years now. I'm glad we appreciate what he had in Martin and Watt, because they were really good, but I don't think you and a few others appreciate what we HAVE NOW in Stanley and Elmer. Those two athletic monsters, to the degree that neither Martin or Watt were. The fact is having two guys that are roughly 6'6 320 (compared to Martin's 6'4 308) and can move like they can is a huge boost. Martin did the best with what he had, but he was a natural guard playing tackle. Good on him for doing well and making it work, but I see it as a better situation in having a guy who has a bit more size, both height and weight-wise, with a higher physical ceiling than Martin and Watt did. Just being realistic.

In addition, I'd like to think that Martin and Watt taught them a lot and brought them farther along as well.

I'm kind of disappoint that you feel this way about Stanley, because he's really an elite guy in the making. Could very well be end up getting drafted as high or higher than Martin when it's all said and done. His athletic ceiling and Hiestand's coaching can NOT be understated.

 

[EuropeanDomer]

You can not replace not only the quality of Martin and Watt, but also the chemistry they had, they are best friends on and off the field. The best left side of ND history, legends. Their impact on this team is so underrated. I'm not saying that Elmer and Stanley are bad but they are not even close to the quality and chemistry of Martin&Watt. Maybe in the future and even with all the time is very hard to reach that level. The OL have a lot of talent, but really young talent and OL is all about experience and chemistry.

 

[GoldenToTheGrave]

Well, I have to disagree with your disagreement. I liked Martin, and I stated that those were some big shoes to fill, but Stanley is more than capable of doing so. He is among the most athletic big men in the country and has been with Hiestand for over 2 years now. I'm glad we appreciate what he had in Martin and Watt, because they were really good, but I don't think you and a few others appreciate what we HAVE NOW in Stanley and Elmer. Those two athletic monsters, to the degree that neither Martin or Watt were. The fact is having two guys that are roughly 6'6 320 (compared to Martin's 6'4 308) and can move like they can is a huge boost. Martin did the best with what he had, but he was a natural guard playing tackle. Good on him for doing well and making it work, but I see it as a better situation in having a guy who has a bit more size, both height and weight-wise, with a higher physical ceiling than Martin and Watt did. Just being realistic.

In addition, I'd like to think that Martin and Watt taught them a lot and brought them farther along as well.

I'm kind of disappoint that you feel this way about Stanley, because he's really an elite guy in the making. Could very well be end up getting drafted as high or higher than Martin when it's all said and done. His athletic ceiling and Hiestand's coaching can NOT be understated.

I think you underestimate the career Martin had. He had probably the most impressive college career of any offensive lineman in this past draft, and went 16th overall because they think he can play LT in the NFL. Stanley has proven himself as a stone cold stud and was probably the second best OL on the team last year, but be has a lot to prove to be considered better than Martin. Could happen but its a bold claim.

I don't think there will be much dropoff if any, but you don't automatically replace the talent we lost in Martin and Watt, even if just because the experience level.

 

[STLDomer]

Well, I have to disagree with your disagreement. I liked Martin, and I stated that those were some big shoes to fill, but Stanley is more than capable of doing so. He is among the most athletic big men in the country and has been with Hiestand for over 2 years now. I'm glad we appreciate what he had in Martin and Watt, because they were really good, but I don't think you and a few others appreciate what we HAVE NOW in Stanley and Elmer. Those two athletic monsters, to the degree that neither Martin or Watt were. The fact is having two guys that are roughly 6'6 320 (compared to Martin's 6'4 308) and can move like they can is a huge boost. Martin did the best with what he had, but he was a natural guard playing tackle. Good on him for doing well and making it work, but I see it as a better situation in having a guy who has a bit more size, both height and weight-wise, with a higher physical ceiling than Martin and Watt did. Just being realistic.

In addition, I'd like to think that Martin and Watt taught them a lot and brought them farther along as well.

I'm kind of disappoint that you feel this way about Stanley, because he's really an elite guy in the making. Could very well be end up getting drafted as high or higher than Martin when it's all said and done. His athletic ceiling and Hiestand's coaching can NOT be understated.

You'll understand after the first game what we had and will miss in Martin.

 

[Irish YJ]

You can not replace not only the quality of Martin and Watt, but also the chemistry they had, they are best friends on and off the field. The best left side of ND history, legends. Their impact on this team is so underrated. I'm not saying that Elmer and Stanley are bad but they are not even close to the quality and chemistry of Martin&Watt. Maybe in the future and even with all the time is very hard to reach that level. The OL have a lot of talent, but really young talent and OL is all about experience and chemistry.

Very, very good points. I do think that by mid season, the entire O-line will be near, or at the level as our guys last year. I don't think the left will be as good, but I think on the whole we will be pretty damn close. IMO, they will probably look misleading better at times solely because we have our mobile QB back and folks won't be able to pin their ears back like they did with Tommy.

 

[Irish YJ]

You'll understand after the first game what we had and will miss in Martin.

If true, thank god EG is back

 

[Sherm Sticky]

Stanley will be fine at LT. Will he be as good as 5th year senior Zach Martin, no. But possibly next year Stanley will match what Zach did.

 

[STLDomer]

If true, thank god EG is back

Haha I'm not saying there's gonna be a massacre just that Martin was the man and I'm sure a difference will be noticed.

 

[Irish YJ]

Haha I'm not saying there's gonna be a massacre just that Martin was the man and I'm sure a difference will be noticed.

I know what you meant! Agree certainly that he will be missed. I do think between the combination of talent we have, and the mobility that we are getting back with EG, we'll be just fine by the time we play Stanford. UM scares me a little bit, just because it's UM, and it's our last game for a while with them,,,,,, but overall I think Harry will have the guys ready to play.

I'm starting out this season overly optimistic (unlike last year). I believe every game is winnable solely on our talent and coaching except for the FSU game. Even that game with a little luck on our side, and a little bad on FSU's side, and this could be a very special season.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Well, I have to disagree with your disagreement. I liked Martin, and I stated that those were some big shoes to fill, but Stanley is more than capable of doing so. He is among the most athletic big men in the country and has been with Hiestand for over 2 years now. I'm glad we appreciate what he had in Martin and Watt, because they were really good, but I don't think you and a few others appreciate what we HAVE NOW in Stanley and Elmer. Those two athletic monsters, to the degree that neither Martin or Watt were. The fact is having two guys that are roughly 6'6 320 (compared to Martin's 6'4 308) and can move like they can is a huge boost. Martin did the best with what he had, but he was a natural guard playing tackle. Good on him for doing well and making it work, but I see it as a better situation in having a guy who has a bit more size, both height and weight-wise, with a higher physical ceiling than Martin and Watt did. Just being realistic.

In addition, I'd like to think that Martin and Watt taught them a lot and brought them farther along as well.

I'm kind of disappoint that you feel this way about Stanley, because he's really an elite guy in the making. Could very well be end up getting drafted as high or higher than Martin when it's all said and done. His athletic ceiling and Hiestand's coaching can NOT be understated.

Martin was only 'very solid' and 'really good' and 'did well with what he had'??? Dude, you never fail to disappoint.

I'm not going to even waste too much time on this, but let me just say that by many accounts, Martin was the best ND LT of this entire generation, and one of the top ND offensive linemen of all time. He stonewalled EVERYONE. The last 2 years he put on an absolute masters class on how to play the position. Then he went to the Senior Bowl and did the same, and every team he worked out for were wowed as well.

You are awfully flippant towards the best offensive lineman that we've seen at ND. You're taking potential and saying it will be better than the best we've seen. You dismiss technique, experience, know-how and leadership for an athletic kid with potential whose never played a full game at LT (only the 2nd most important position on the field). That's truly crazy.

 

[Irish#1]

That's the most likely starting 5. Frankly, I may get flak for this, but I think this line will be better than last year's. Sure, they lost Martin and Watt, who were very solid guys who held the group together and were excellent linemen in their own right, but I think the guys that are replacing them have more upside and unlike most situations when you're replacing a starter, they have legitimate starting experience. There MAY be some growing pains early on, but Hiestand has done an excellent job developing the linemen so far, and Elmer and Stanley have looked excellent to this point in the time they've gotten on the field.

Honestly, I see all 5 of these starters getting drafted. Lombard may be a toss-up, but if he can stay healthy and play as well or better than last year, then I see him getting drafted. Martin is one of the best centers in the country, so that's a given. McGlinchey is an unknown, but his insane athleticism and Hiestand's tutelage can get him there. Elmer and Stanley could very well end up going in the 1st-3rd rounds. All of these guys have yet to hit their college ceiling, and they're sky high.

I see you put your glasses back on. lol

I see where you're coming from, but we're not quite there yet. It will take Stanley a little more to get on Martins level. Not that it won't happen, but it won't be right out of the gate. I think we'll see some signs of it toward the end of the year.

 

[arrowryan]

I think Elmer could definitely be better than Watt by the time Elmer is a senior. If Stanley is anything close to Martin, I will be very happy.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Yes Zack Martin is a great offensive lineman. Not only can he play left tackle, but I am confident he can play any position along the line at a high level. (In the NFL.)

The thing that is missing from this conversation is that those five guys on the line play as a single unit. The best lines are not just those loaded with talent, but those that play very well together.

This is what Harry excels at with his coaching. He is a great fundamentalist and motivator, but he also is outstanding at getting his whole unit to play as one. Someone said Zack was the greatest of his generation, and one of the greatest of all time. True. But can any of you remember a time when as many offensive linemen were being moved from position to position with consistent positive results? Remember late last fall when guys started going down, and the line seemed to get stronger?

That is the concept. Due to Harry's eye for players, and his coaching. He can build stronger lines even when replacing top talent! I think this line may have a couple of hick-ups, but will be a better line than last years product.

And most importantly, it will be a better line for the offense the skill players will be able to bring to bear this year. The five on the field this year will be more mobile that the five from last year. And that is important.

 

[vmgsf]

Bogs, very good post.

Do not underestimate the value of a GREAT offensive line coach. Play as a UNIT. Stay together. Do not panic. Whole is greater than the sum of its parts under Harry Hiestand. In tough game situaitons, offensive line hangs togehter, plays tough and does not panic whether win or lose on scoreboard

We are the Fighting Irish. We do not always win on the scoreboard. We always play tough, with courage and heart, give our best and fight to the end and walk away satisfied that we could not have given anymore.

We are Notre Dame. We are the Fighting Irish.

 

[clashmore_mike]

A Simple Gesture - UND.COM - University of Notre Dame Official Athletic Site

 

[EddytoNow]

A Simple Gesture - UND.COM - University of Notre Dame Official Athletic Site

Steve Elmer may be struggling on the field and having difficulty sustaining his blocks, but he is a success at life. He is one of those players that makes me proud to be a Notre Dame fan.

 

[Redbar]

We are ND.

 

[Old Man Mike]

God Bless our guys. ... and little Jake.

Sometimes there are happenings which take all the crap of the world and toss it right down the drain. There are good folks all over the place out there, and several of them play for Notre Dame.

 

[Grahambo]

Elmer will get it figured out.

 

[BMT]

if we just step back a bit, Elmer is only a true sophomore and has a bright future on the ND line.

 

[Irish#1]

Steve Elmer may be struggling on the field and having difficulty sustaining his blocks, but he is a success at life. He is one of those players that makes me proud to be a Notre Dame fan.

I second that.

 

[Irish2155]

Steve Elmer may be struggling on the field and having difficulty sustaining his blocks, but he is a success at life. He is one of those players that makes me proud to be a Notre Dame fan.

Steve Elmer needs to pick his feet up and put them down...quicker. His success after life is the same for all of his teammates. He is big but too damn slow...he gets beat off the ball consistently.

Take that bs somewhere else. Move you're feet fat boy.

 

[NDinMich]

Steve Elmer needs to pick his feet up and put them down...quicker. His success after life is the same for all of his teammates. He is big but too damn slow...he gets beat off the ball consistently.

Take that bs somewhere else. Move you're feet fat boy.

Harsh bro. This is a 20 year old kid you're talking about here.

 

[Irish2155]

Harsh bro. This is a 20 year old kid you're talking about here.

He is the best lineman in his class with all the talent in the world. He needs to move his feet, and keep them moving, all the time...faster. He gets caught flat footed all the time.

 

[ResLife Hero]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Steve Elmer building balance at right guard for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NDInsider?src=hash">#NDInsider</a>: <a href="http://t.co/AUiJCXItSu">http://t.co/AUiJCXItSu</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/SBTribune">@SBTribune</a> <a href="http://t.co/HsYZJ0n8nq">pic.twitter.com/HsYZJ0n8nq</a></p>— Tyler James (@TJamesNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/TJamesNDI/status/587397198494748672">April 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[TheOneWhoKnocks]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Steve Elmer building balance at right guard for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a>. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NDInsider?src=hash">#NDInsider</a>: <a href="http://t.co/AUiJCXItSu">http://t.co/AUiJCXItSu</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/SBTribune">@SBTribune</a> <a href="http://t.co/HsYZJ0n8nq">pic.twitter.com/HsYZJ0n8nq</a></p>— Tyler James (@TJamesNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/TJamesNDI/status/587397198494748672">April 12, 2015</a></blockquote>
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well no wonder why the dline just blew right past him all year, he blocks with his eyes closed.