Teen Playing the Knockout Game Gets Shot Twice By the Victim

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

But what does this have to do with Benghazi?

 

[BobD]

It didn't used to be like this. It changed during the 2012 presidential election, and hasn't been the same since. I think there are more threads baiting culture war and political fights than there are about the football team and recruiting. It sucks. I used to check this site 20 times a day and participate in good discussions about football. Now I check it once a week to see if we've picked up any commitments, and for the most part I've stopped posting because its all about arguing nonsense. There must be websites and message boards devoted to discussing this stuff. I don't get what it has to do with Notre Dame football or why people come here to talk about it.

I thought that's why we have different forums within the IE site?

How many people would read Rolling Stone if it were only about music? Would Sports Illustrated still be around without the swim suit edition? There are great articles in Playboy magazine. ITS THE OFF SEASON.

 

[Wild Bill]

You have to be a special kind of stupid to think playing "the knock out game" is funny. I don't think there is a chance in hell someone so dumb could ever be rehabilitated. We need legislation passed where a jury could convict someone of being too stupid to live.

I know some will disagree with me, but I'd bet there is less than a five percent chance this kid ever becomes anything other than a burden to society.

Incredibly stupid, maddening thing to do, I agree. But you're very, very wrong. Teenage brains are not fully developed. Impulsivity, aggression, violence and criminality drop rapidly when humans reach the late 20s, and this is true in every society in all periods. Young people do things that are not fathomable to middle age adults, and then they become middle age adults and they stop.

You think he needs another decade to fully develop? A toddler knows better than to physically attack someone for no apparent reason. This loser is a product of poor parenting.

Bob said he'd be a burden on society, not a career criminal. You think he's going to pick up an education, skill or trade during his "development period"? Right. When he's done "developing", he'll depend on the same citizens he attacked for his food, clothing and shelter.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Investigate 9/11

 

[Rack Em]

Investigate 9/11

Fast and Furious




Am I doing this right?

 

[BobD]

It didn't used to be like this. It changed during the 2012 presidential election, and hasn't been the same since. I think there are more threads baiting culture war and political fights than there are about the football team and recruiting. It sucks. I used to check this site 20 times a day and participate in good discussions about football. Now I check it once a week to see if we've picked up any commitments, and for the most part I've stopped posting because its all about arguing nonsense. There must be websites and message boards devoted to discussing this stuff. I don't get what it has to do with Notre Dame football or why people come here to talk about it.

Says the originator of such threads as Snowmageddon, Father Beats Daughters Rapist, The Bridge and Happy National Bourbon Day

 

[JTLA]

I'd definitely love to be wrong about this. Hopefully you're right, but life experience tells me different. I know a lot of kids that did really dumb stuff growing up then turned out OK, myself included, but not intentionally mean and evil stuff. IMO there is a huge difference between doing dumb stuff where somebody could unintentionally be hurt versus setting out to intentionally hurt someone. Don't humans have the ability to tell right from wrong at a very early age?

Look up Restorative Justice for Youth Offenders.

Restorative Justice – Facts and Figures

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Fast and Furious




Am I doing this right?

Where's the birth certificate, obungler?

 

[Irish#1]

I'd definitely love to be wrong about this. Hopefully you're right, but life experience tells me different. I know a lot of kids that did really dumb stuff growing up then turned out OK, myself included, but not intentionally mean and evil stuff. IMO there is a huge difference between doing dumb stuff where somebody could unintentionally be hurt versus setting out to intentionally hurt someone. Don't humans have the ability to tell right from wrong at a very early age?

Well stated. This kid is far enough along to know right from wrong.

 

[cody1smith]

Anyone that hits someone for no reason just walking down the street is a piece of shit. I hope 200 more of them get shot today

 

[Rhode Irish]

Says the originator of such threads as Snowmageddon, Father Beats Daughters Rapist, The Bridge and Happy National Bourbon Day

Those are 4 off-topic threads out of literally thousands and thousands, and none of them were intended to bait an argument. But I won't deny I've participated in many more non-football threads than those. At some point this place changed from "we are here to talk about football, but while we are all here what do you guys think of this...." to being primarily a place for pissing matches about hot button culture issues, and that is when I lost interest.

I wouldn't even consider the idea that any of you should care at all about how I feel about it if you enjoy the change. Have at it. I wasn't pleading with anyone to change anything, I was commiserating with another poster with a seemingly similar perspective. My bookmark is to the front page of the site, and on average I would say the front page feature at least 50% off-topic threads. Again, that is totally fine. The content of the forum should reflect what people want to discuss, it just isn't for me anymore.

 

[IrishLion]

EDIT: Nope, not worth it.

 

[autry_denson]

I'd definitely love to be wrong about this. Hopefully you're right, but life experience tells me different. I know a lot of kids that did really dumb stuff growing up then turned out OK, myself included, but not intentionally mean and evil stuff. IMO there is a huge difference between doing dumb stuff where somebody could unintentionally be hurt versus setting out to intentionally hurt someone. Don't humans have the ability to tell right from wrong at a very early age?

If you're not quite sure what the evidence tells us about the probability of behavioral change over the life course, you might not want to call for putting someone to death over an incident like this.

 

[IrishLion]

If you're not quite sure what the evidence tells us about the probability of behavioral change over the life course, you might not want to call for putting someone to death over an incident like this.

The call for a death sentence is extreme, but it doesn't change the fact that a "developing brain" is no excuse for playing the knockout game.

 

[Black Irish]

If you're not quite sure what the evidence tells us about the probability of behavioral change over the life course, you might not want to call for putting someone to death over an incident like this.

I give this post a 9/10 on the sumgness scale. I didn't read anywhere that BobD said that people like this should be put to death. But you feel the need to misrepresent his position so that you can condescend from your position of superiority.

 

[IrishLax]

Those are 4 off-topic threads out of literally thousands and thousands, and none of them were intended to bait an argument. But I won't deny I've participated in many more non-football threads than those. At some point this place changed from "we are here to talk about football, but while we are all here what do you guys think of this...." to being primarily a place for pissing matches about hot button culture issues, and that is when I lost interest.

I wouldn't even consider the idea that any of you should care at all about how I feel about it if you enjoy the change. Have at it. I wasn't pleading with anyone to change anything, I was commiserating with another poster with a seemingly similar perspective. My bookmark is to the front page of the site, and on average I would say the front page feature at least 50% off-topic threads. Again, that is totally fine. The content of the forum should reflect what people want to discuss, it just isn't for me anymore.

I agree with you in spirit, because getting sucked into any sort of OT "debate" is probably the worst experience I've had on this board.

But on the front page right now there are 6 out of 35 non-sports related OT threads:
-This one.
-Word game (2007 origin, 16k+ replies)
-Marriage
-A Song of Ice and Fire
-What are you drinking?
-Politics (formerly Just out of curiosity? President)

So 17% of the front page posts are OT. Of those, two (word game and what are you drinking?) are rather long standing fun OT posts. Another is a discussion of a book series many on this site enjoy. And the last three you could categorize as politics or cultural debate threads.

Far more than this number aren't related specifically to ND football (i.e. world cup or NHL) but the aggravating threads definitely are a minority even if it doesn't seem like it. Also, I believe there are ways to ignore specific threads or subforums so they don't show up on your front page.

 

[autry_denson]

I give this post a 9/10 on the sumgness scale. I didn't read anywhere that BobD said that people like this should be put to death. But you feel the need to misrepresent his position so that you can condescend from your position of superiority.

going for the 10.

We need legislation passed where a jury could convict someone of being too stupid to live.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

I thought that's why we have different forums within the IE site?

How many people would read Rolling Stone if it were only about music? Would Sports Illustrated still be around without the swim suit edition? There are great articles in Playboy magazine. ITS THE OFF SEASON.

If I may, these discussions spill over to the other threads, oft times.

My comment about the kind of people that would do this, exhibit anti-social and narcissistic tendencies, and those that are pure animals was not intended to support the kind of posts that this thread has seen.

I do not advocate murder, maiming or vengeance (eye for an eye) in any case. I am particularly abhorred at what I see. I just happened to check back. After this post I will unsubscribe and leave this thread to those of you with violent fantasy. But first, let me ask you what is the moral difference between someone that plays a game like this, and someone who lies in wait to murder someone, or takes advantage of fortunate circumstances, and commits some barbarous act of retaliation, that we would condemn if it were reported to have come from tribal or religious "courts" in the Middle-east?

 

[wizards8507]

Let's talk about facts. I'm not calling you a racist, but these reports are designed to foster white fear.

1. This kid is an idiot, and lots of teens are idiots and do idiotic things. I do not mean to excuse anything he has done. Anyone committing these horrible crimes deserve anything coming to them by the law.
2. Referencing the MSM makes you sound like a Sarah Palin nut job.
3. These types of reports have been on CNN, the Today Show, and countless local TV news broadcasts, obviously including the Lansing news, so what exactly is the MSM in your eyes?
4. The question here is whether this activity is "spreading", new, or - since you brought race into this - against white people. Unfortunately for any racists out there, this type of violence has existed for a long time, back in the 90s they called it 'wilding' and reports of 'the knockout game' go back to 2011. Also, most of the victims are the same race as the attackers, as is the case with most violent crime.

Lastly, this video is from November 2013 not June 2014, so I don't know why it's been posted here. That's the month where you'll find most of the news about this issue because it became viral in TV news to talk about it. The reality 8 months later is that there is no statistical evidence that this has ever been anything more than extremely isolated cases.

But please go on and tell us more about your "white prejudice"...

Cover up, your ignorance is showing.

Even the REV. AL SHARPTON, that bastion of Conservatism and champion of the white middle-class, has acknowledged that these are often racially-motivated attacks against white people, specifically urban Jews. There's a reason they call it "polar bear hunting".

These kids are targeting innocent people, and in many cases specifically targeting Jewish folks. We would not be silent if it were the other way around, and we will not be silent now. This behavior is racist, period. And we will not tolerate it.

Knockout Games -- The Biggest Form of Cowardice | Rev. Al Sharpton

EDIT: Sorry, I hadn't realized this off-topic thread had gotten so off-topic about how off-topic it is.

 

[Black Irish]

going for the 10.

I'll take BobD's "too stupid to live" quote as rhetoric. I seriously doubt he is calling for a Court of Eugenics.

 

[autry_denson]

My bad. I should have read more closely before I started insulting you.

I'd retire from this site if this ever happened.

 

[Black Irish]

If I may, these discussions spill over to the other threads, oft times.

My comment about the kind of people that would do this, exhibit anti-social and narcissistic tendencies, and those that are pure animals was not intended to support the kind of posts that this thread has seen.

I do not advocate murder, maiming or vengeance (eye for an eye) in any case. I am particularly abhorred at what I see. I just happened to check back. After this post I will unsubscribe and leave this thread to those of you with violent fantasy. But first, let me ask you what is the moral difference between someone that plays a game like this, and someone who lies in wait to murder someone, or takes advantage of fortunate circumstances, and commits some barbarous act of retaliation, that we would condemn if it were reported to have come from tribal or religious "courts" in the Middle-east?

I'll agree with most of what you say. However, one should always have the right to defend himself and others with force against violent attacks. I don't have much sympathy for someone who goes to attack or rob someone and gets a bullet as a result. Now, self-defense has limits and you should back off once your attacker is subdued, not continue with punitive violence. For instance, the story about the truck driver from earlier. The guy was within his rights to club the robber into submission to protect himself. But running over the guy's fingers afterwards was just excessive and sadistic.

 

[Black Irish]

I'd retire from this site if this ever happened.

Did you pull that quote from another thread or did you just flat out make it up? Because I did not write those words in this one. Seriously, that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about. You pull in this out-of-context, fake quote of mine so that you can get up on a high horse. Are you trying to joke around with me or do you really have to fabricate a conversation so that you can look like the aggrieved party here?

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Moral decay because of rock 'n' roll

 

[autry_denson]

You pulled that quote from another thread didn't you, because I did not write those words in this one. Seriously, that's the kind of stuff I'm talking about. You pull in this out-of-context quote so that you can get up on a high horse. Are you trying to joke around with me or do you really have to fabricate a conversation so that you can look like the aggrieved party here?

holy shit (logs off)

 

[BobD]

No I don't want a court handing out death penalties for stupidity. I should have made that statement in the sarcasm font.

The kid is flat out stupid. Odds are he won't ever be a productive member of society. Our humanity will let him continue to be a burden and danger to all of us for a long time. He is the reason people want to carry guns around in 2014 like Jessie James did in the 1800's and its hard to argue with when shit like this happens.

 

[tussin]

I haven't read this thread entirely but I thought I'd share...

My GFs co-worker was walking to work today (in Philly) and was randomly punched in the face by some guy. Apparently, he just ran up to her, punched her, and immediately ran away. No apparent motive and he didn't steal anything. She had to miss work and go to the ER.

Sounds like she was another victim of that knockout game. Pretty disgusting.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

I haven't read this thread entirely but I thought I'd share...

My GFs co-worker was walking to work today (in Philly) and was randomly punched in the face by some guy. Apparently, he just ran up to her, punched her, and immediately ran away. No apparent motive and he didn't steal anything. She had to miss work and go to the ER.

Sounds like she was another victim of that knockout game. Pretty disgusting.

What part of Philly does work in? Center City?

 

[tussin]

What part of Philly does work in? Center City?

Yes, happened right at City Hall.

 

[Mr. McGibblets]

Yes, happened right at City Hall.

Crazy, especially being down there around a heavily traffiicked area for work and because high school aged teens are all out of school for summer---I cant imagine them wanting to wake up that early just to punch someone. With all of the cameras down there, he will be caught.

My perception is definitely based on the fact that I live in Philly, blocks from Center City--- but I really feel like this happens more here than in any other city. It's been happening for several years and only getting noticed now because the kids involved are posting it to social media---similar to the flash mob stuff. My buddy I work with, who went to high school here in the city, said It started in high schools, including his, with kids walking down the hall and getting suckered and knocked out. He's been out of high school since 2002-2003.