'15 CA QB Travis Waller (Oregon Verbal)

[Irish8248]

I know what were taking about, I'm referencing the leading of a prospect on when there's interest but if only 6 people in front of him say no

That's a lie. That's not being up front with the prospect. That's beyond slow playing

You're right, it's not a difficult concept to understand you just choose to think our way is better. Which I completely agree with at times, but I honestly don't see much of a difference here

 

[Irish8248]

Your posts have been very negative since Barnett decommitted. Get over it.

I'm not upset over it. Honestly didn't phase me a bit

 

[Irish8248]

How the fuck is it even remotely close to the same thing?

On one hand, you have a coach telling a prospect who is CLEARLY NOT #1 ON THEIR BOARD BECAUSE THEY'VE ALREADY OFFERED NUMEROUS OTHER PLAYERS AT HIS POSITION that he's their "top target." Urban did the same thing with Malik Zaire, but Zaire was smart enough to go "uhhh... you just told me I'm the #1 guy and then turned around and offered 6 other QBs?" Some people get that it's all bullshit and it's a major turnoff for Urban, others don't and lap up the attention. We don't know which Waller is yet.

On the other hand, we told Waller that he'd been on the radar for awhile but we were honoring the commitment of Blake Barnett and did not offer any other QBs. He received an offer IMMEDIATELY after we had a spot open up.

Compare and contrast those two situations and tell me ANY similarities.

My critique isn't in how we handled Waller vs how OSU has

My critique comes from how we've treated similar situations in the past by leading a recruit on, dragging him along in the process, making him wait/work/wait for an offer them only to find out he never gets one or he does at the 11th hour

 

[IrishLax]

My critique isn't in how we handled Waller vs how OSU has

My critique comes from how we've treated similar situations in the past by leading a recruit on, dragging him along in the process, making him wait/work/wait for an offer them only to find out he never gets one or he does at the 11th hour

OK that makes more sense, but have we ever told one of those recruits they were "#1 on our board" or our "top guy"?

Look at Reilly Gibbons for an example... recruited him, told him he could earn an offer, camped, told him what he still needed to work on, etc. Never once was Alford saying "you're our top OL prospect!"... no, he said "we really like you and here's what you need to do to earn an offer."

The only example that comes to mind is Brandon Dawkins, who we did (or did not?) extend a very early unofficial offer to, trying to commit without talking to the coaches first and being told because of the Kiel transfer we were re-evaluating our QB recruiting. That's the only time I can think of where we may have over-represented to a kid.

 

[Luckylucci]

My critique isn't in how we handled Waller vs how OSU has

My critique comes from how we've treated similar situations in the past by leading a recruit on, dragging him along in the process, making him wait/work/wait for an offer them only to find out he never gets one or he does at the 11th hour

At this point your just arguing to argue because nothing your saying makes sense. This whole thing started because I said Waller was being told complete bullshit from Meyer. You then said we do the same. I pointed out what Meyer said to Waller. So you then compared what we did to Reilly Gibbons as the same thing. Which isnt even remotely close to the same situation. Now you've changed it to bringing kids to campus, working them out, and not offering is lying. So we're going to have a bunch of kids working out for offers next weekend and in your situation we are lying to all of them that don't get offers? Actually it's the exact opposite. We are very upfront and honest with what we're looking for and what they need to show for that offer. Ex. Chris Green and Nick Connor.

 

[ginman]

IRISH8248- I vote for a new GIF - it is distracting and makes it difficult to read your post.

 

[GBdomer]

IRISH8248- I vote for a new GIF - it is distracting and makes it difficult to read your post.

yes

 

[rtrn2glory]

imo if we get him on campus we won't have to worry about beating out urban.

i'm more worried about bama personally

 

[Bluto]

So is Sarkisian going to go with a more spread attack with an athletic QB (hence the interest in Waller)? If so wouldn't that also effect o line play? It seemed like it took the ND personnel awhile to "get it" in that regard when Kelly took over.

 

[Irishnuke]

So is Sarkisian going to go with a more spread attack with an athletic QB (hence the interest in Waller)? If so wouldn't that also effect o line play? It seemed like it took the ND personnel awhile to "get it" in that regard when Kelly took over.

Did I miss something? When did SC show interest in Waller?

 

[Luckylucci]

Did I miss something? When did SC show interest in Waller?

USC has been showing interest for awhile but no offer. The thought process is they might want to bring in 2 QB's with one being a DT type that could maybe run his spread better. Look at the type of QB's he used or recruited at UW and Ricky Town is quite a bit different. I don't see anything coming of it but it's a storyline to follow.

 

[ab2cmiller]

Most of the pOSU insiders seem to have the same opinion as this elevenwarriors staff member. They feel pretty strongly that Waller doesn't get the offer even with Gibson having nearly eliminated pOSU from his list.
Torrance Gibson's Status, Travis Waller's Offer, Andre James' Visit and More | Eleven Warriors

So...What About Waller?

Since the commitment of Joe Burrow we've contended that if Ohio State is going to take another quarterback in this recruiting class, it would have to be Torrance Gibson. Now that it appears we can move on from Gibson realistically being a member of this class, the number of questions I've fielded on Twitter and elsewhere about Travis Waller getting an offer from the Buckeyes has grown to an almost comical degree.

The latest shaking of the Waller tree also came from Wasserman and Cleveland.com, who had an update from the Anaheim, California native following a visit to Alabama. Waller indicated, as he's done consistently, that Ohio State is on the edge of offering him:

They told me an offer should be coming soon and that they're happy they are in my top four.

Yes, the Buckeyes were included in Waller's top four schools — along with Alabama, Notre Dame and Northwestern — but Ohio State's unlikely to offer according to sources we've spoken with. The Buckeyes are happy with Joe Burrow and will not be offering another quarterback unless something changes significantly with Burrow's status. If they do, slap some steak sauce on a pair of Sperry's, because I'll eat my shoe.

 

[STLDomer]

They're settling for Burrow and working on trying to lock up Dwayne Haskins for 2016 already.

 

[ThePiombino]

Most of the pOSU insiders seem to have the same opinion as this elevenwarriors staff member. They feel pretty strongly that Waller doesn't get the offer even with Gibson having nearly eliminated pOSU from his list.
Torrance Gibson's Status, Travis Waller's Offer, Andre James' Visit and More | Eleven Warriors

One less school to worry about. So it's down to Bama and Oregon vs ND. We got this.

 

[ab2cmiller]

One less school to worry about. So it's down to Bama and Oregon vs ND. We got this.

I wouldn't count out Northwestern. Supposedly really likes the offense and the thought of possibly being a 4 year starter is appealing.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Quarterback and 7-on-7 BUZZ from the Capstone - Alabama Intel - Alabama Intel

Also posted in the Barnett thread.

 

[ThePiombino]

I wouldn't count out Northwestern. Supposedly really likes the offense and the thought of possibly being a 4 year starter is appealing.

I didn't realize immediate playing time was a deciding factor for him. If so, then yes -N'western has a chance. Otherwise, they're not a real player here IMO

 

[stlnd01]

I didn't realize immediate playing time was a deciding factor for him. If so, then yes -N'western has a chance. Otherwise, they're not a real player here IMO

Even if not immediate PT, Northwestern probably gives him the best chance to see the field the most in his career. It's also a great school (and he's reportedly serious about academics). Distance does not appear to be an issue. And they've reportedly been talking with him, frankly, much longer than the other bigger names that came lately. I wouldn't underestimate their chances.

 

[BeauBenken]

Ifeadi Odenigbo

 

[Luckylucci]

Ifeadi Odenigbo

He's had a nice start to his career.

 

[STLDomer]

Visiting ND and NW early next week, likely Monday and Tuesday, per Wiltfong.

 

[JTLA]

Depth chart?????

Depth chart?????

Even if not immediate PT, Northwestern probably gives him the best chance to see the field the most in his career. It's also a great school (and he's reportedly serious about academics). Distance does not appear to be an issue. And they've reportedly been talking with him, frankly, much longer than the other bigger names that came lately. I wouldn't underestimate their chances.

Just so we are all clear, Northwestern has taken a four star QB in each of the last two classes.

2014 Clayton Thorson was the 5th rated PRO QB by 247
2013 Matt Alviti was the 7th rated DUAL QB by 247

by comparison, we have

2014 DeShone Kizer was the 10th rated PRO QB by 247
2013 Malik Zaire was the not in the top 10 DUAL QB by 247, but his comp was comparable.

 

[Irish#1]

Visiting ND and NW early next week, likely Monday and Tuesday, per Wiltfong.

We got this one.

 

[T Town Tommy]

Pros and Cons for 4-Star QB Travis Waller's Top Schools | Bleacher Report

For what it's worth...

 

[johnnycando]

Or the purple helmet site!

Punch the clown son.

 

[#1rish]

Back to Waller : I would like to have him. I don't think we need him. I think the preferred walk-on from UD High School would be really an interesting option. But if we get him I will be overjoyed. How will how this plays out affect our '16 quarterback recruiting?

Taking a quality QB every cycle especially when there's strong mutual interest is important IMO. Just having that depth when faced with unexpected situations (injury, transfer, suspension).

That being said, if we get Waller I'll feel a lot more comfortable with recruiting a '16 QB. I mean we could end up with none of Eason, Henry, or Pass.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Taking a quality QB every cycle especially when there's strong mutual interest is important IMO. Just having that depth when faced with unexpected situations (injury, transfer, suspension).

That being said, if we get Waller I'll feel a lot more comfortable with recruiting a '16 QB. I mean we could end up with none of Eason, Henry, or Pass.

I agree with you. But then in two press conferences, Kelly said that about "three scholarship quarterbacks being ideal." I wasn't sure if he was talking in general, situationally, or covering for what in hindsight was an abomination. (As in really bad luck, nothing against anyone in the situation.)

 

[Domina Nostra]

I agree with you. But then in two press conferences, Kelly said that about "three scholarship quarterbacks being ideal." I wasn't sure if he was talking in general, situationally, or covering for what in hindsight was an abomination. (As in really bad luck, nothing against anyone in the situation.)

I think 3 is ideal IN SEASON, if everyone is healthy. However 4 is much, much better than 2!!!

Like everyone is saying, you take a quality QB every season.

I still like Barnett's potential in the long-term--though he may be a little bit of a flake--but I was comparing him to a lot of the other top QBs like Rosen. Waller is stud as well. This is a no brainer, IMO.

 

[Monk]

I would be happy if we get Waller, but I think it actually hurts our '16 QB recruiting because of the log jam of QB we have. The elite QB coming out of high school does not want to wait until their redshirt junior year to play. I know most of the elite QB aren't scared of competition, but I believe it still factors into their decision.

That being said I will be happy if Waller decides to come to ND, but if he doesn't I think we are in good shape as long as we get a top QB in the '16 cycle.

 

[garyasher]

I would be happy if we get Waller, but I think it actually hurts our '16 QB recruiting because of the log jam of QB we have. The elite QB coming out of high school does not want to wait until their redshirt junior year to play. I know most of the elite QB aren't scared of competition, but I believe it still factors into their decision.

That being said I will be happy if Waller decides to come to ND, but if he doesn't I think we are in good shape as long as we get a top QB in the '16 cycle.

Agree 100%

So just how good is the Eason kid and would he be the number one QB for 2016?