Afghan POW Freed After Five Years

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Kid? He's 28. Last Sunday, Gallup had the president's approval rating at 50%. Today it's at 44%. My guess is the Bergdahl deal. Freakin disgusting, but it's "his government."

Kid yes.

Who cares about the presidents approval rating? He's not running again. If you haven't figured it out by now, every president, no matter the party, usually has an approval rating between 40 - 55 percent depending on what's in the news that week. Worry about Hillary now, not Obama.

The trade was stupid, but it's done now. Hopefully we'll get more info on why it was done.

I'd drop him back in the same spot we picked him up with a note stuck to him saying "keep him"
 

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I'm happy for his parents, that's about it. Unfortunately, they should be consoling the families of those who died looking for this guy. He left his post and insurgent attacks in the area became more frequent and accurate in the AO after his disappearance. This guy deserted, he left, and more lives were lost because of his actions. Great for his parents, I don't want to see anyone suffer, but this is a giant shit on those men who did their jobs, looked for an idiot, and never came home. 3/509 is in 4/25 with his unit. This isn't hearsay, this is primary fucking sources. He's gotten more than he deserves already. He had better be tried.
 

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Kid? He's 28. Last Sunday, Gallup had the president's approval rating at 50%. Today it's at 44%. My guess is the Bergdahl deal. Freakin disgusting, but it's "his government."

Not true. Gallup has been hovering around 42-45 for a while.

Gallup Daily: Obama Job Approval

Rasmussen was around 50 and is now at 48...

Most of the poll fluctuation has been within the margin of error. That may change, but it hasn't yet.
 
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I have been having an interesting conversation with a group I meet with. The group is fairly independent, with a few Republicans and a few Democrats. The key factor is most of the group membership is conciliatory to other perspectives.

This is not just my thinking but has evolved out of our groups discussion. Presidential approval ratings have taken on a pattern since the political landscape has become so much more partisan. The partisan void actually helps a president win a second term because the electorate feels they have less of a choice. Therefore the ratings suffer more greatly the second term.

So it is the do nothing stalemate of our current partisan politics that colors everything, not the "inept bumbling of a clear incompetent" that the majority of Americans originally elected as a best solution candidate.

I expect Obama's popularity to continue to slide, maybe not as far as Bush's, but close. After all, look how well Bush's popularity has recovered since he is out of the office. The same thing will happen with Obama.
 

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Kid yes.

Who cares about the presidents approval rating? He's not running again. If you haven't figured it out by now, every president, no matter the party, usually has an approval rating between 40 - 55 percent depending on what's in the news that week. Worry about Hillary now, not Obama.

The trade was stupid, but it's done now. Hopefully we'll get more info on why it was done.

I'd drop him back in the same spot we picked him up with a note stuck to him saying "keep him"

I know you weren't being flippant about the situation when you wrote that, Bobby, but the bolded is what people are outraged about-- it isn't done now.

There's a 99.9999% chance the five terrorists freed will cause harm to America, or at the very least, others from their own region or base of operation. The president claims bergdahl served with honor, while there's a 99.9999% chance he did not.

What does this mean for future captured American soldiers? What does this mean for future American deserters? What does this mean for the future innocent people who will be harmed by these terrorists? What does this mean for future American presidents who do not follow the law...even ones they themselves sign into being? What does it mean when a person, let alone a commander-in-chief and leader of the free world, makes bad decisions that effect thousands and millions of people...yet faces no consequence?

The few American people who do actually pay attention to what is going on in our country and the in the world (at least those that aren't lapdogs for the president and his agenda) all see past the BS and realize that this was an awful decision by our president, with virtually no future info on why it was done able to justify his action.

The graveness of the situation, I think, obliges us not to simply move on.



Sidenote-- I give credit to you and a couple others on here who are/were obama voters/supporters and have called him out on this fiasco. If the roles were reversed, I would perhaps have a difficult time doing the same. Reps to you.
 

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The graveness of the situation, I think, obliges us not to simply move on.


Sidenote-- I give credit to you and a couple others on here who are/were obama voters/supporters and have called him out on this fiasco. If the roles were reversed, I would perhaps have a difficult time doing the same. Reps to you.

I'm hoping they've been implanted with pacemaker like devices that can kill them remotely. (Highly unlikely, but they do exsist). If not, then yes they will try to kill Americans....unless one or more of them have been turned, which is a good possibility. Also we know and track everyone in the world they hold dear....We can put a drone up their ass anywhere they go.

Not making excuses for Obama's stupid trade, just hoping there is more to the story.

Thanks for the reps buddy and back at ya!
 

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Kid yes.

Who cares about the presidents approval rating? He's not running again. If you haven't figured it out by now, every president, no matter the party, usually has an approval rating between 40 - 55 percent depending on what's in the news that week. Worry about Hillary now, not Obama.

The trade was stupid, but it's done now. Hopefully we'll get more info on why it was done.

I'd drop him back in the same spot we picked him up with a note stuck to him saying "keep him"

28 is a kid? Since when? 21, 22, even 23 I could see. 28? At what point is he an adult? And my point with the approval rating is this debacle is embarrassing and everyone knows it.
 

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Historically when a second term President hits the mid term elections, if his approval ratings are below the 50% mark, the outcome of the mid term elections usually result in substantial increases for the other party. So yes, even with a lame duck, approval ratings seem to matter when it comes to the House and Senate elections. November is shaping up to not look very good for the Democrats.
 

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28 is a kid? Since when? 21, 22, even 23 I could see. 28? At what point is he an adult? And my point with the approval rating is this debacle is embarrassing and everyone knows it.


The big issue with me in all of this is the prisoners from Gitmo. They were held for a dozen years without being chagred with anything. That, to me, is the biggest element that should draw contempt from American citizens. We will have Bowe Berghdal in hand and he may well be chaged with desertion or worse ... and I doubt it will take a dozen years before we know the answer to that quesiton. These guys in Gitmo may have been the worst of the worst, as many are saying, so it should have been easy to charge them for their "crimes," and we failed to do so, let alone finding them guilty of anything. There are still more than 140 prisoners in Gitmo and half of them have not been charged with anything. If you want to pin any blame on Obama, it should because he has not done enough to change this horrible policy of holding prisoners indefinately without charges.

Oh, and Berghdal was 23 when he made his choice to leave his post five years ago -- a kid by your own definition. I'm certainly not defending his actions, but if I were the president I would not be willing to abandon him to a pretty horrible fate because of a mistake he made when he was a "kid."
 

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Historically when a second term President hits the mid term elections, if his approval ratings are below the 50% mark, the outcome of the mid term elections usually result in substantial increases for the other party. So yes, even with a lame duck, approval ratings seem to matter when it comes to the House and Senate elections. November is shaping up to not look very good for the Democrats.

According to Gallup, the approval rating of the entire Republican party sits at 32% right now. The approval rating of Congress, in general, is at 9% (a rating they definately earned). I believe conventional wisdom goes out the window in the 2014 election cycle. Not saying that the Dems will win seats, but I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that they lose control of the Senate or pick up seats in the House either. What will decide winners and losers in the upcoming elections will be gerrymandered states, new and repressive election policies and bags of special interest money to get Republicans elected. And even with all of those shady advantages, the GOP will be lucky to take back the Senate. A couple of months ago it seemed probable. Lately, the gap has closed and the GOP's chances are not as clear cut.
 

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According to Gallup, the approval rating of the entire Republican party sits at 32% right now. The approval rating of Congress, in general, is at 9% (a rating they definately earned). I believe conventional wisdom goes out the window in the 2014 election cycle. Not saying that the Dems will win seats, but I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that they lose control of the Senate or pick up seats in the House either. What will decide winners and losers in the upcoming elections will be gerrymandered states, new and repressive election policies and bags of special interest money to get Republicans elected. And even with all of those shady advantages, the GOP will be lucky to take back the Senate. A couple of months ago it seemed probable. Lately, the gap has closed and the GOP's chances are not as clear cut.

Yeah... the GOP has stacked the deck. LMAO

Need I remind you of all the voter fraud from our last Presidential election? Hell, in Ohio and Chicago, you can vote as many times as you like. Even if you're dead. In Penn you can stand in front of the polls with baseball bats too. Guess the Republicans wanting voter ID to prevent this is repressive. Give me a break. And special interests? Really? That's "only" a Republican issue. Guess George Soros doesn't count. The party in power beat the same drum every cycle. Limit special interest money. The same money that put most of them in Washington. Let's get real if we want to throw that stuff out there.

The Republicans will gain several seats in the House, and at the rate this Admin is going - on issues such as this exchange - the Dems will be lucky to hold the Senate. Bookmark the post.
 

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Oh, and Berghdal was 23 when he made his choice to leave his post five years ago -- a kid by your own definition. I'm certainly not defending his actions, but if I were the president I would not be willing to abandon him to a pretty horrible fate because of a mistake he made when he was a "kid."

He chose his fate, he should have lived by his decision if you ask me. His desertion cost the lives and health of many troops. I sure hope he's eventually tried for his actions. It's an injustice to call him a hero.
 

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Oh, and Berghdal was 23 when he made his choice to leave his post five years ago... I'm certainly not defending his actions, but if I were the president I would not be willing to abandon him to a pretty horrible fate because of a mistake he made when he was a "kid."

You don't "abandon" deserters. They are where they wanted to be.
 

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According to Gallup, the approval rating of the entire Republican party sits at 32% right now. The approval rating of Congress, in general, is at 9% (a rating they definately earned). I believe conventional wisdom goes out the window in the 2014 election cycle. Not saying that the Dems will win seats, but I don't think it is a foregone conclusion that they lose control of the Senate or pick up seats in the House either. What will decide winners and losers in the upcoming elections will be gerrymandered states, new and repressive election policies and bags of special interest money to get Republicans elected. And even with all of those shady advantages, the GOP will be lucky to take back the Senate. A couple of months ago it seemed probable. Lately, the gap has closed and the GOP's chances are not as clear cut.

Oh really? A potential Republican ass kicking similar to 2010 will have nothing to do with obamacare or the lowest workforce participation rate since WWII. Ooookkkkkk lol
 
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You know, we need to make "we leave no one behind," or "nemo resideo," official policy.

Circumstances beyond the uniform and enlistment don't matter.

We also need to make plans to start trading scarier guys for those left behind, like our own politician. They (all) are our problem.

What is that killing two birds with one stone?
 

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Yeah... the GOP has stacked the deck. LMAO

Need I remind you of all the voter fraud from our last Presidential election? Hell, in Ohio and Chicago, you can vote as many times as you like. Even if you're dead. In Penn you can stand in front of the polls with baseball bats too. Guess the Republicans wanting voter ID to prevent this is repressive. Give me a break. And special interests? Really? That's "only" a Republican issue. Guess George Soros doesn't count. The party in power beat the same drum every cycle. Limit special interest money. The same money that put most of them in Washington. Let's get real if we want to throw that stuff out there.

The Republicans will gain several seats in the House, and at the rate this Admin is going - on issues such as this exchange - the Dems will be lucky to hold the Senate. Bookmark the post.

In 2012, Democrats received more than a million more votes in House races than Republicans and lost seats. Gerrymandering is a real thing. Look at the shapes of some of the districts (on both sides of the isle) in these Gerrymandered states. We should all be offended that the political process has been corrupted in this way. That's why state elections are so important to the overall political process. It is astonishing how little interest they attract from citizens and how big an impact they have on national elections.

Special interest financing of politics is certainly not a GOP only issue, but they certainly are way out in front of the process. The challenges to election laws that made way for this type of unlimited financing of candidates came from the right, not the left. The court was spilit on the decision to change the law on partisan political lines. A few months ago the casino owner from NV held a meeting in which Republicans from all over the country traveled to kiss his ring and gain his favor (and financial backing). The Koch Brothers have spent milliions of dollars backing candidates in nearly every state -- state elections as well as federal. This stuff happens on both sides, for sure. But, you are fooling yourself if you don't thing the practice is way further down the road on the right than on the left. I find it repulsive on either side.

Finally, perhaps you should remind me of "all the voter fraud" from the last election. Don't just make an accusation without proof that this is a prominant problem that requires all of these extraordinary (and expensive) measures to combat. In the big picutre, voter fraud is less than a blip on the radar of national elections. Show me one instance of in-person voter fraud that will be prevented when those casting votes have to show an ID. The fact that these laws have been pushed so hard from the right make it seem like millions of people across the country are showing up at polling stations and saying they are someone else, then casting votes fraudulantly. You can say that happens all you want. Show me where that is happening. If indeed there is a problem with voter fraud, certainly absentee ballots is where it would occur, and yet there are precious few cases in which this has been shown to be the case. These laws are designed to restrict voter turnout, plain and simple.

Oh really? A potential Republican ass kicking similar to 2010 will have nothing to do with obamacare or the lowest workforce participation rate since WWII. Ooookkkkkk lol

I'd be careful before you declare an "ass kicking." If there is any movement it the number of seats, it will be a few seats one way or the other. I'm not confident that the GOP can go through the months leading up to the election without stepping on their collective dicks and blowing it like they did two years ago. And even if they don't, they still might not win. If the GOP thought it could win an election without gerrymandering, unlimited special interest money, and restrictive laws, it would just do that and not revert to dirty tricks to try to win. Why not let the issues make the case with the American people. Oh wait, if it were actually decided on issues, the GOP would lose seats almost every year because someone forgot to tell them we don't live in the 1950s anymore, and virtually every growing minority (by race, sexual orientation, and gender) favors the Democrats, and it gets more pronounced every day.
 

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Kid yes.

Who cares about the presidents approval rating? He's not running again. If you haven't figured it out by now, every president, no matter the party, usually has an approval rating between 40 - 55 percent depending on what's in the news that week. Worry about Hillary now, not Obama.

The trade was stupid, but it's done now. Hopefully we'll get more info on why it was done.

I'd drop him back in the same spot we picked him up with a note stuck to him saying "keep him"

I like the part about dropping him off...but I'd drop him off at the post he deserted.
 
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In 2012, Democrats received more than a million more votes in House races than Republicans and lost seats. Gerrymandering is a real thing. Look at the shapes of some of the districts (on both sides of the isle) in these Gerrymandered states. We should all be offended that the political process has been corrupted in this way. That's why state elections are so important to the overall political process. It is astonishing how little interest they attract from citizens and how big an impact they have on national elections.

Special interest financing of politics is certainly not a GOP only issue, but they certainly are way out in front of the process. The challenges to election laws that made way for this type of unlimited financing of candidates came from the right, not the left. The court was spilit on the decision to change the law on partisan political lines. A few months ago the casino owner from NV held a meeting in which Republicans from all over the country traveled to kiss his ring and gain his favor (and financial backing). The Koch Brothers have spent milliions of dollars backing candidates in nearly every state -- state elections as well as federal. This stuff happens on both sides, for sure. But, you are fooling yourself if you don't thing the practice is way further down the road on the right than on the left. I find it repulsive on either side.

Finally, perhaps you should remind me of "all the voter fraud" from the last election. Don't just make an accusation without proof that this is a prominant problem that requires all of these extraordinary (and expensive) measures to combat. In the big picutre, voter fraud is less than a blip on the radar of national elections. Show me one instance of in-person voter fraud that will be prevented when those casting votes have to show an ID. The fact that these laws have been pushed so hard from the right make it seem like millions of people across the country are showing up at polling stations and saying they are someone else, then casting votes fraudulantly. You can say that happens all you want. Show me where that is happening. If indeed there is a problem with voter fraud, certainly absentee ballots is where it would occur, and yet there are precious few cases in which this has been shown to be the case. These laws are designed to restrict voter turnout, plain and simple.



I'd be careful before you declare an "ass kicking." If there is any movement it the number of seats, it will be a few seats one way or the other. I'm not confident that the GOP can go through the months leading up to the election without stepping on their collective dicks and blowing it like they did two years ago. And even if they don't, they still might not win. If the GOP thought it could win an election without gerrymandering, unlimited special interest money, and restrictive laws, it would just do that and not revert to dirty tricks to try to win. Why not let the issues make the case with the American people. Oh wait, if it were actually decided on issues, the GOP would lose seats almost every year because someone forgot to tell them we don't live in the 1950s anymore, and virtually every growing minority (by race, sexual orientation, and gender) favors the Democrats, and it gets more pronounced every day.

Look at what happened to me. We had a nice 9th District that reached no further than 25 miles of downtown Toledo. It was a kind of boxy compact metro type district. Everyone had the same general wants and needs. All was good. Only problems; Ohio's population was on the decline, and the 9th was owned by Marcy Kaptur who had between an 80-90 per cent approval rating. What did they do? Merge in with the (4th I believe) which snakes along Lake Erie to Lorraine, Ohio, (Cleveland!) So in the last primary democratically it was Marcy against Dennis Kucinich. The general election featured Marcy against Joe the plumber. Who suffered? They peeled off our part of the 9th and put is in the 5th which is Bowling Green. This is a perfect example of assholes making a deal and screwing with my right for fair representation.

I saw Joe the plumber Saturday. Should have asked him if he was willing to represent me in a civil rights case.

You know he is big on individual rights.
 

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Funny story about gerrymandering: I had to take a government class my last semester before graduating. My professor showed us a map of Illinois showing all of the Congressional districts. She highlighted one in particular that she considered the most egregious. I was laughing the entire time and after being asked why I found it so funny, I explained that it was my own.

Well, I found it funny.
 

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In 2012, Democrats received more than a million more votes in House races than Republicans and lost seats. Gerrymandering is a real thing. Look at the shapes of some of the districts (on both sides of the isle) in these Gerrymandered states. We should all be offended that the political process has been corrupted in this way. That's why state elections are so important to the overall political process. It is astonishing how little interest they attract from citizens and how big an impact they have on national elections.

Special interest financing of politics is certainly not a GOP only issue, but they certainly are way out in front of the process. The challenges to election laws that made way for this type of unlimited financing of candidates came from the right, not the left. The court was spilit on the decision to change the law on partisan political lines. A few months ago the casino owner from NV held a meeting in which Republicans from all over the country traveled to kiss his ring and gain his favor (and financial backing). The Koch Brothers have spent milliions of dollars backing candidates in nearly every state -- state elections as well as federal. This stuff happens on both sides, for sure. But, you are fooling yourself if you don't thing the practice is way further down the road on the right than on the left. I find it repulsive on either side.

Finally, perhaps you should remind me of "all the voter fraud" from the last election. Don't just make an accusation without proof that this is a prominant problem that requires all of these extraordinary (and expensive) measures to combat. In the big picutre, voter fraud is less than a blip on the radar of national elections. Show me one instance of in-person voter fraud that will be prevented when those casting votes have to show an ID. The fact that these laws have been pushed so hard from the right make it seem like millions of people across the country are showing up at polling stations and saying they are someone else, then casting votes fraudulantly. You can say that happens all you want. Show me where that is happening. If indeed there is a problem with voter fraud, certainly absentee ballots is where it would occur, and yet there are precious few cases in which this has been shown to be the case. These laws are designed to restrict voter turnout, plain and simple.

I'd be careful before you declare an "ass kicking." If there is any movement it the number of seats, it will be a few seats one way or the other. I'm not confident that the GOP can go through the months leading up to the election without stepping on their collective dicks and blowing it like they did two years ago. And even if they don't, they still might not win. If the GOP thought it could win an election without gerrymandering, unlimited special interest money, and restrictive laws, it would just do that and not revert to dirty tricks to try to win. Why not let the issues make the case with the American people. Oh wait, if it were actually decided on issues, the GOP would lose seats almost every year because someone forgot to tell them we don't live in the 1950s anymore, and virtually every growing minority (by race, sexual orientation, and gender) favors the Democrats, and it gets more pronounced every day.

Maybe you should ask the lady in Ohio who was arrested, tried, and convicted of voter fraud for her "efforts" during the 2012 Presidential campaign. I can't remember exactly how many times she voted for Obama but it was quite a few times. Chicago is Chicago... voter fraud has been documented for decades there. On the issue of voter ID.... if you can afford cable tv, pack around a smartphone, drive nice cars then you can take your ass down to the post office and get yourself a effing ID and show it when you vote. Pretty simple. We ALL know why Democrats are against it. Again, pretty simple.
 

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Voters w/o ID's vote for Democrats. That's why Democrats like it and Republicans don't like it. I don't like it because if you can't figure out how to get a picture ID or won't get a picture ID then I don't think you should be able to vote. Stupid and lazt comes to mind....or illegal. I've never been in another country when they had their election but I'm pretty sure if I showed up at the ballot box without a valid ID they would show me the door...or worse. Democrats like to champion the "small" people...they fail to say they want us ALL to be small people.
 

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Maybe you should ask the lady in Ohio who was arrested, tried, and convicted of voter fraud for her "efforts" during the 2012 Presidential campaign. I can't remember exactly how many times she voted for Obama but it was quite a few times. Chicago is Chicago... voter fraud has been documented for decades there. On the issue of voter ID.... if you can afford cable tv, pack around a smartphone, drive nice cars then you can take your ass down to the post office and get yourself a effing ID and show it when you vote. Pretty simple. We ALL know why Democrats are against it. Again, pretty simple.

Just STOP right there mister TTT! Everyone who reads this thread knows that there have been no documented voter fraud cases and thus the reason there is no need for voter ID laws. And it doesn't matter that you have to produce ID for medical care under Obamacare, that is not relevant.
 

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Maybe you should ask the lady in Ohio who was arrested, tried, and convicted of voter fraud for her "efforts" during the 2012 Presidential campaign. I can't remember exactly how many times she voted for Obama but it was quite a few times. Chicago is Chicago... voter fraud has been documented for decades there. On the issue of voter ID.... if you can afford cable tv, pack around a smartphone, drive nice cars then you can take your ass down to the post office and get yourself a effing ID and show it when you vote. Pretty simple. We ALL know why Democrats are against it. Again, pretty simple.

So one case ... in which the voter was arrested. Sounds like a serious nationwide problem.

What does affording cable TV, smartphone, and nice cars have to do with acquiring a voter ID? For the record, I don't really have a problem with voter ID laws per se. I think in the past the timing of these laws becoming a major issue was BS. A couple of months before the election these laws got introduced. If passed then, it would mean tons of people would be forced all at once to stand in line to get a government-issued ID. Some of those people would become frustrated and say f it. Some might not do it out of protest. Some might have difficulty getting to the ID issue facility. In any case, it is adding a level of frustration and inconvenience for people to exercise their constitutional right to vote. All to fix a problem that does not exist on any meaninful scale anywhere in the country.

I'm more concerned with laws that limit early voting hours of operation or reduce polling places for early voting altogether. I'm particularly concerned when this is done in neighborhoods with a high percentage of minority voters, and not in neighborhoods that have fewer minirities.
 

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In 2012, Democrats received more than a million more votes in House races than Republicans and lost seats. Gerrymandering is a real thing. Look at the shapes of some of the districts (on both sides of the isle) in these Gerrymandered states. We should all be offended that the political process has been corrupted in this way. That's why state elections are so important to the overall political process. It is astonishing how little interest they attract from citizens and how big an impact they have on national elections.

Special interest financing of politics is certainly not a GOP only issue, but they certainly are way out in front of the process. The challenges to election laws that made way for this type of unlimited financing of candidates came from the right, not the left. The court was spilit on the decision to change the law on partisan political lines. A few months ago the casino owner from NV held a meeting in which Republicans from all over the country traveled to kiss his ring and gain his favor (and financial backing). The Koch Brothers have spent milliions of dollars backing candidates in nearly every state -- state elections as well as federal. This stuff happens on both sides, for sure. But, you are fooling yourself if you don't thing the practice is way further down the road on the right than on the left. I find it repulsive on either side.

Finally, perhaps you should remind me of "all the voter fraud" from the last election. Don't just make an accusation without proof that this is a prominant problem that requires all of these extraordinary (and expensive) measures to combat. In the big picutre, voter fraud is less than a blip on the radar of national elections. Show me one instance of in-person voter fraud that will be prevented when those casting votes have to show an ID. The fact that these laws have been pushed so hard from the right make it seem like millions of people across the country are showing up at polling stations and saying they are someone else, then casting votes fraudulantly. You can say that happens all you want. Show me where that is happening. If indeed there is a problem with voter fraud, certainly absentee ballots is where it would occur, and yet there are precious few cases in which this has been shown to be the case. These laws are designed to restrict voter turnout, plain and simple.



I'd be careful before you declare an "ass kicking." If there is any movement it the number of seats, it will be a few seats one way or the other. I'm not confident that the GOP can go through the months leading up to the election without stepping on their collective dicks and blowing it like they did two years ago. And even if they don't, they still might not win. If the GOP thought it could win an election without gerrymandering, unlimited special interest money, and restrictive laws, it would just do that and not revert to dirty tricks to try to win. Why not let the issues make the case with the American people. Oh wait, if it were actually decided on issues, the GOP would lose seats almost every year because someone forgot to tell them we don't live in the 1950s anymore, and virtually every growing minority (by race, sexual orientation, and gender) favors the Democrats, and it gets more pronounced every day.

Since 2010 saw the biggest swing in Congress since the 1950's, I'll call it an ass kicking.
 

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28 is a kid? Since when? 21, 22, even 23 I could see. 28? At what point is he an adult? And my point with the approval rating is this debacle is embarrassing and everyone knows it.

Except that your point isn't backed by the actual facts. It's embarrassing in your bubble. Maybe the polls will do what you claimed, but they haven't done it yet.

Either way, what would you have had him do? If he leaves the kid there and he died in captivity, can you imagine the "scandal" that would have been? He cut the exact deal that McCain discussed (see link above). Literally, the exact deal. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

NOTE: His approval today is back to 50% on Rasmussen.
 
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Just to point something out, during W's second term in office you heard a lot about his dropping or low approval ratings and various analysis as to what it meant and also how it was bad for his party in the coming elections. So apparently late second term ratings mean something to somepeople sometimes, yes?
 

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Since 2010 saw the biggest swing in Congress since the 1950's, I'll call it an ass kicking.

except you were referring to the 2014 election and saying it would be like 2010. if that is what you expect in the off-year election this year, you might want to prepare for disappointment.
 

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Just to point something out, during W's second term in office you heard a lot about his dropping or low approval ratings and various analysis as to what it meant and also how it was bad for his party in the coming elections. So apparently late second term ratings mean something to somepeople sometimes, yes?

Nearly every president has this happen. W was unusually low, but nearly every president has a slide in the second term. Nice article about it today, actually.

Will Obama Ever Be Popular Again? - Rhodes Cook - POLITICO Magazine
 
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