'15 CA QB Blake Barnett (Arizona State Transfer)

[IrishLion]

I think Brown and Fuller are both going to tear it up this year.

Speed downfield on Golson scrambles against broken coverage for dayyyyyyyyyyyyyyys.

 

[Irish YJ]

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As like in the country?

If EG can hit folks in stride, and throw the fade, then yes, I think our O will be crazy good. Deep ability, fade ability, scramble ability, all of that will make Ds go crazy trying to prepare. They won't be able to play the run and sit back in close coverage like they did with TR. The running game will be opened up as well. IMO the deep threat and fade are the two things we've been lacking for several years which has allowed Ds to simplify....

 

[peoriairish]

Brown had an absolutely insane catch during the spring game this year. He should and will be more productive and more of a part of the O this year than Fuller. Plus, Brown will have had what, 3 years in the system to Fuller's 2. It makes a difference. Not as much for WR as other positions, but it still does.

 

[Irish YJ]

Chris Brown is a deep threat, take-the-top-off-the-defense kind of receiver. That he didn't explode last year with a QB that couldn't get the ball down the field to him doesn't tell me that he won't. I'm definitely not guaranteeing huge year from him, but I wouldn't rule it out, either.

 

[Irish YJ]

I hope Brown proves me a fool, but to me, he's the offensive version of Bennett Jackson.

Really good speed and looks great on paper, but just not a true football player. I don't see the aggression, and I think Fuller has that.

I'll shut up now, because this is going no where good for me, lol.

You'd be all in on Brown if he had bigger guns and meaty pecs.

 

[anarin]

Something is wrong with my computer, I keep trying to open Barnett's thread but get taken to Golson's....any ideas?

Go to Golsons thread, they're talking about Barnett there.

 

[koonja]

You'd be all in on Brown if he had bigger guns and meaty pecs.

Well yeah cause he'd be better if he had those!

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I'm a big stats guy. But as we all know, stats can be misleading and sometimes they don't tell the full story. I only picked one game, to watch Everett's throws. I went back and watched the Oklahoma game again.

Everett's stats 13-25 177 yards - as you say 52%

But Everett played the game exactly the way BK wanted him to. Don't make the mistake and throw the ball away if nothing is there avoiding sacks and interceptions.

Breakdown of Everett's throws

13 accurate completions
2 accurate drops
2 accurate incompletions (50 yard throw and a out pattern next to sideline - both balls were thrown where it needed to be against tight coverage)
5 balls intentionally thrown away to avoid taking a loss
3 balls thrown either poorly or somewhat poorly.

Bad completion percentage, but at least in this game, Golson was very accurate.

I'm sure there are other games where his completion percentage was not very good because he was making poor throws. My point is that you can't rely on "good data" like the completion percentages you sited, when in many cases Golson was simply following orders and throwing the ball away.

Thank you. I was just getting ready to research that now that I am home, but you beat me to it. That is what I was trying to get across in that completion %s are important, but its also very misleading in terms of debating if a QB is accurate. Golson did things that Rees didn't do as a first year player that brought his completion % down bc he was throwing the ball away and not throwing an INT. I mean GB you put the Bama game on there. Half the balls he threw were 50-50 balls based off the game plan to get Eifert 1-on-1. You arent going to complete 70% of those passes even to a player like Eifert.

As far as Chris Brown....I think the people that watched practice, saw practice film, and anything more than the spring game will tell you he has put in the work. The thing with Chris Brown has always been his weight/strength. Thats why I found it ridiculous he even played as a freshman but his speed trumps that. He has finally got the weight he needs to be able to use his speed to his advantage and be able to really accelerate in and out of his cuts. Chris Brown isnt a possession receiver like he had to be last year. Last year he was kid that needed a QB to at least throw a deep ball once or twice a game so it opens up the rest of his game. The pass offense last year was extremely limited in routes, just solely off Rees was a player that could throw anything more than 15-20 yards and be effective. He wasnt good on the crossing routes to get your speed guys free, and he wasnt good at throwing from the weak side of the field to the strong side. You live with what you have. Brown was hurt in 2013 by simply not having a QB that could even make defenses worry about the deep ball. But he has progressed like you would expect any 3 star player to progress. He has gotten better each year, and as an upperclassman put himself in position to be a focal point of the offense.

Back to the thread somwhat....ND has QBs on its roster in Golson and Zaire who can make every throw in the playbook and will stretch the field with their arm. That doesnt take even get into them keeping defenses honest with their running ability. Kizer and Barnett are the same type of QB as the 2 on the roster. They have the ability to make every throw and keep teams at bay bc they can run the football. ND is going to make a killing on read option playaction and its going to be fun to see secondarys try to play the read option, only to see Golson pull it and throw it over the top to guys that can get behind the defense like Brown, Daniels, Hunter, Fuller, Carlisle.

 

[Irish#1]

Go to Golsons thread, they're talking about Barnett there.

Brilliant! You've been rep'd my friend.

 

[BeauBenken]

Somewhere Beau is on his way home from class and checked IE on his phone and saw this thread.

Started sweating in anger and is pacing home as we speak to drop a bomb on it, lol.

Quick, before he gets home, who wants to fight?

You think I was at class in the summer? No, I was looking a lot more like Stone Cold right there last night, and I paid for it this morning.

I'm declaring nose-goes on what mod gets to clean up this bad boy.

 

[Irish YJ]

Hey Beau, If we start talking about Blake in the EG thread, will that even it out?

 

[aubeirish]

I'll have to try this once. Masculinity at its finest!

 

[Domina Nostra]

Thank you. I was just getting ready to research that now that I am home, but you beat me to it. That is what I was trying to get across in that completion %s are important, but its also very misleading in terms of debating if a QB is accurate. Golson did things that Rees didn't do as a first year player that brought his completion % down bc he was throwing the ball away and not throwing an INT. I mean GB you put the Bama game on there. Half the balls he threw were 50-50 balls based off the game plan to get Eifert 1-on-1. You arent going to complete 70% of those passes even to a player like Eifert.

As far as Chris Brown....I think the people that watched practice, saw practice film, and anything more than the spring game will tell you he has put in the work. The thing with Chris Brown has always been his weight/strength. Thats why I found it ridiculous he even played as a freshman but his speed trumps that. He has finally got the weight he needs to be able to use his speed to his advantage and be able to really accelerate in and out of his cuts. Chris Brown isnt a possession receiver like he had to be last year. Last year he was kid that needed a QB to at least throw a deep ball once or twice a game so it opens up the rest of his game. The pass offense last year was extremely limited in routes, just solely off Rees was a player that could throw anything more than 15-20 yards and be effective. He wasnt good on the crossing routes to get your speed guys free, and he wasnt good at throwing from the weak side of the field to the strong side. You live with what you have. Brown was hurt in 2013 by simply not having a QB that could even make defenses worry about the deep ball. But he has progressed like you would expect any 3 star player to progress. He has gotten better each year, and as an upperclassman put himself in position to be a focal point of the offense.

Back to the thread somwhat....ND has QBs on its roster in Golson and Zaire who can make every throw in the playbook and will stretch the field with their arm. That doesnt take even get into them keeping defenses honest with their running ability. Kizer and Barnett are the same type of QB as the 2 on the roster. They have the ability to make every throw and keep teams at bay bc they can run the football. ND is going to make a killing on read option playaction and its going to be fun to see secondarys try to play the read option, only to see Golson pull it and throw it over the top to guys that can get behind the defense like Brown, Daniels, Hunter, Fuller, Carlisle.

Excellent posts, both of you, thanks!

 

[Luckylucci]

This is a poster talking about Hopkins and his involvement in Blake's recruitment.

Originally posted by jameskroner3:
Sounds pretty good to me. I guess I am not worried as some but there is a certain analyst on 24/7 that really seems to be pushing Oregon pretty hard right now. I think that is where most of the concern for ND comes from.

Here is TJ 'a response.

It is completely unprofessional, untoward, irresponsible and inappropriate for "recruiting analysts" to be personally involved and interject themselves (via slanted and leading questions and conversations) in the recruiting process. That it happens as much as it does, mostly elsewhere, is disturbing and shameful.

I think people here can be proud of the way in which II staff handle and carry themselves in this vein. People who matter around the Gug would so attest.

And they know about Hopkins and them.

 

[IrishLax]

Personally, I'm bummed that we don't fight fire with fire. We have virtually no homers running any of the major network team sites. Off the top of my head, the only "fan" we have running anything is Mike Frank and:
1) ISD isn't part of a major network.
2) Frank, Christian, etc. I don't think really push an agenda/message.

ESPN, as a whole, pushes SEC heavily... both explicitly and indirectly. SEC moves the needle for them, so it's in their best interest to feed the hype machine. Then they have other guys like Tom VH with serious ties to certain other "power" programs.

I don't know anything about Scout. I don't know enough about Rivals to talk intelligently about who does what.

I do know beyond a shadow of a doubt that some 247 team site analysts are out of control. I've heard it straight from first hand sources, and it's been alluded to ad nauseam from tons of secondhand people in the know. The only way it can be stopped is by coaches of prominent programs putting them on blast. If, say, an Urban Meyer or Nick Saban or Brian Kelly level coach came out and said "Justin Hopkins is completely unprofessional and pushing kids to..." it would cause an absolute shit storm and 247 would be forced to address it. Sadly, there is very little chance of this happening. And there are also very little reason for a coach to do this when most have a "reporter" or two in their pocket doing the exact same thing.

Lorenz, Hopkins, etc. are a bigger corrupting influence and cancer on the sport than just about any other singular factor. They're commercializing the sport for their own gain, and using their position of influence to manipulate kids into decisions that benefit the reporter above all else. That's fucked up.

Finally, I leave you with this from the Chris Clark thread:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Shout out to my dudes <a href="https://twitter.com/rivalsmike">@rivalsmike</a> and <a href="https://twitter.com/RivalsFriedman">@RivalsFriedman</a> thanks for all the help with getting me exposure and setting me up for success</p>— Chris Clark (@Clark8Chris) <a href="https://twitter.com/Clark8Chris/statuses/472109208222322688">May 29, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

These are 16 year old kids that beyond the rare exception very much do care about their ranking/exposure/fame. Who doesn't love the attention and feeling like the BMOC at that age? It varies prospect to prospect, but the recruiting news industry is becoming more predatory by the day. It's disgusting.

 

[Irish#1]

I've said it before will say it again. This is not journalism and in no way shape or form should be considered journalism. Recruiting is a very very small niche that is reported via electronic media in which the ethics and standards are still being defined. The target audience for this is small. Add that the sources are teenagers who change their mind every five seconds and will deny they said something at the drop of a hat, it just makes it worse.

We keep trying to judge this by comparing this to the national and local news media. They are not even close and as long as there isn't a large public to call them out to the extent that people stop reading and quoting them, it won't stop.

save your frustration, because there is no end in sight.

 

[Luckylucci]

Hopkins with another article up on Blake being Oregons #1 offensive target.

 

[clashmore_mike]

Hopkins with another article up on Blake being Oregons #1 offensive target.

Couple ND posters commented on there calling Hopkins out, he basically says if there wasn't a shot at a flip he wouldn't write it. What a clown.

 

[Huntr]

The only way it can be stopped is by coaches of prominent programs putting them on blast.

I know you're half kidding, but I disagree. That would only stir up controversy and fuel the hype for the sites. I agree w/ Irish #1 in that its not "journalism", so we shouldn't compare it to such. It's hucksterism at its purest. Because of that, the better path, IMO, would be for paying customers or prospective customers to not re-up or purchase a sub and let Shannon Terry et al know its because you can't trust the judgment of ppl like Hopkins. Money talks.

 

[IrishLax]

I know you're half kidding, but I disagree. That would only stir up controversy and fuel the hype for the sites. I agree w/ Irish #1 in that its not "journalism", so we shouldn't compare it to such. It's hucksterism at its purest. Because of that, the better path, IMO, would be for paying customers or prospective customers to not re-up or purchase a sub and let Shannon Terry et al know its because you can't trust the judgment of ppl like Hopkins. Money talks.

The "money talks" argument only works if the money they lose > money earned. I don't think cancelling subs would offset the $$ generated by page clicks in any way, shape, or form. And someone like Hopkins will never lose their job over a couple un-provable complaints.

You're right I'm half kidding... because it's completely impractical... but the major drivers here are the programs and the access they either grant/don't grant. So no... Brian Kelly is never going to do an interview with Herbstreit where he says "well Kirk, one of the biggest obstacles we've had to overcome is Justin Hopkins because..." That'll never happen, but if it did it would send shockwaves through 247 and, as you said, stir up controversy. But not the good kind of controversy, it'd be the kind of controversy that destroys your credibility as a business, so 247 would HAVE to deal with it.

Being more practical, if ND wanted to completely shut out 247 based on the conduct of Hopkins it would be a shot across the bow. It would pit Wiltfong, etc. against Hopkins and behind the scenes would make waves that push for change. But Kelly doesn't really operate that way, that's more of a Kiffin-esque or Saban-esque type of move.

The alternative would be to get someone like Blake Barnett (or others) to go on the record with someone like TP and talk about Hopkins and his conduct. Running an expose of sorts with fully attributed quotes would go a very long way. Will never happen, but would be awesome. Truth is all of these kids buddy up with the national/regional big wigs because it helps their status. That will never change.

 

[Grahambo]

I'm with Lax. It could easily backfire for a coach too. Risk/reward just isn't ideal in this situation. I'd prefer a big time coach like Brian Kelly or Nick Saban NOT mention a guy like Hopkins in a public interview. Bad exposure is just as good as good exposure and Hopkins would exploit that.

Not all wars are won in the spotlight. There's also a difference between media and journalism.

I'll use ESPN for example:

Skip Bayless is media.

E:60 is journalism.

The best thing that can happen is dudes/gals who subscribe to 247 to just keep putting him on blast. Call out all of his mistakes; big or small.

At the end of the day, it's all about the dollars. Nobody cares how they got rich, they just want to be rich the fastest way possible. A big time coach calling out a small time crook would add loads of dollars.




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[johnnycando]

Remember this boys:

Go down one just one wiener in your life, you'll always be a rooster blower.

This douche wad certainly qualifies.

There will always be a hate for ND. So strap in, and hang on for the ride.

The happy finish will be worth it.

 

[Jebediah Springfield]

Remember this boys:

Go down one just one wiener in your life, you'll always be a rooster blower.

This douche wad certainly qualifies.

There will always be a hate for ND. So strap in, and hang on for the ride.

The happy finish will be worth it.

Just so I know what to do.

Am I to strap in and hang on to said weiner or something else?

 

[Huntr]

Just so I know what to do.

Am I to strap in and hang on to said weiner or something else?

Near as I can tell:

Kidding aside, I get what Lax is saying. But, I'd hope that a noticeable reduction in their # of subs might make the ppl in charge of these services pay attention and look to modify how they interact w/recruits. But, who knows? That's probably not realistic.

 

[JTLA]

Just so I know what to do.

Am I to strap in and hang on to said weiner or something else?

happy finish

 

[TheTurningPoint]

Stop subscribing and reading his stuff is the only way people can have an impact. Otherwise....its working brilliantly for him. Its drawing in twice the amount of readers with it topics on all 3 premium ND boards today. Guess who wins....Hopkins and 247.

 

[Irish#1]

Stop subscribing and reading his stuff is the only way people can have an impact. Otherwise....its working brilliantly for him. Its drawing in twice the amount of readers with it topics on all 3 premium ND boards today. Guess who wins....Hopkins and 247.

This, plus stop talking about him. I'm willing to bet these sites check forums like IE to see what is being discussed. If there's buzz about this guy, they know are doing something right. Can't remember who said it, but someone once said, the only bad publicity is no publicity.

 

[koonja]

Stop subscribing and reading his stuff is the only way people can have an impact. Otherwise....its working brilliantly for him. Its drawing in twice the amount of readers with it topics on all 3 premium ND boards today. Guess who wins....Hopkins and 247.

I really don't think ignoring it will work. He's going to get attention, even if it's not from the ND crowd.

Maybe now's not the time because I have no idea how much evidence there is of him basically being an Oregon recruiter, but the only way IMO to stop this is for it to get pointed out, either by someone with real credibility, or a large number of complaints by other school's fans.

Maybe a letter to 24/7 asking for explanation if that's part of their jobs/allowed is a start.

 

[tko]

I really don't think ignoring it will work. He's going to get attention, even if it's not from the ND crowd.

Maybe now's not the time because I have no idea how much evidence there is of him basically being an Oregon recruiter, but the only way IMO to stop this is for it to get pointed out, either by someone with real credibility, or a large number of complaints by other school's fans.

Maybe a letter to 24/7 asking for explanation if that's part of their jobs/allowed is a start.

Koon, you can't ignore anything

 

[brick4956]

just send an email to 247 with proof of him being a homer and being detrimental to the recruiting process