Cable attempt to take over the world, details not available, online service too poor.

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This video says it all. Forget politics. Think money; less of yours, more of theirs.


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This is my favorite new show. The bit he did a week or two ago about GM was epic.
 

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This is amazing. What is this from? Is he always this blunt? I love that this segment was 13:00. As funny as it was it really is a fucked up situation.
 

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This issue is a microcosm of everything that is wrong with the Federal government. Ending net neutrality will generate a bonzana of crony capitalist rents for a few oligopolistic corporations (who openly admit to engaging in anti-competitive practices), while negatively impacting a strong majority of Americans in an immediate and highly visible way. So who wins here? Some of the most widely hated companies in this country, or We, the People? I'm not optimistic.

Corporatism usually goes unnoticed because it gets tacked onto obscure bills and impacts a small number of Americans (or a large number is a very indirect fashion). That aint the case here.
 
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I am thinking of turning my cable off. And my phone.
 

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I am thinking of turning my cable off. And my phone.

Contract free on the phone...and we got rid of cable months ago.
Don't miss it one bit!

I will come football season...but I'll manage with friends, the bar, and streaming...hell...I might even get some yardwork done.
 

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I have long said if not for sports we'd get rid of our cable with a quickness... it's the only thing we watch that isn't readily available on Netflix and the like...
 

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I have long said if not for sports we'd get rid of our cable with a quickness... it's the only thing we watch that isn't readily available on Netflix and the like...

That's my big bugaboo.
 

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This is a big passion of mine.

I've been talking about this for a while now on this site. I ripped Obama pretty hard for picking a telecom lobyist to run the FCC.

Ending net neutrality is bad for civil liberties, freedom of the press, free speech, and any business that isn't a corporate.

I've also made plenty comments about the lack of competition and the oligopoly the telecom companies have. Plus they don't upgrade their infrastructure. So the bottom line we pay more for a lesser quality when compared to practically every developed country on earth when it comes to telecom services.
 
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This is a big passion of mine.

I've been talking about this for a while now on this site. I ripped Obama pretty hard for picking a telecom lobyist to run the FCC.

Ending net neutrality is bad for civil liberties, freedom of the press, free speech, and any business that isn't a corporate.

I've also made plenty comments about the lack of competition and the oligopoly the telecom companies have. Plus they don't upgrade their infrastructure. So the bottom line we pay more for a lesser quality when compared to practically every developed country on earth when it comes to telecom services.

You're too young to know who Judge White is and his decision. Let's just say there is significantly more competition now than there was before his decision. Companies are dumping more into research and upgrades now. It's so competitive right now, telecom companies are looking for ways to stand out from the others. AT&T and Verizon are now offering data services via the cloud. Now you can get your cell, cable tv, internet access and offsite storage from one provider.
 

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I really don't know why I torture myself but I have a couple comments and questions.

1. ATT spent approximately $20B (that's BILLION) PER YEAR in cap spending over the past three years. Who do you think financed this spending? The capitalist corporation did via debt and internally generated cash flow. Now I don't know about you but if a person or entity spends its own money I think they have the right to limit the access to its network to customers and charge customers for the use of the network. Don't you think this makes sense? From some of the comments above there are some individuals who what these corporations to spend stockholder money on network infrastructure and then should give is away to anyone to use at rates set by the "majority of Americans" regardless if they are paying customers or freeloaders. If this would happen, why would any company spend billions of dollars on a network?

2. Want to know why telephone bills are so high? Well approximately 15-20% of your bill is taxes so if you what to reduce your bills then ask the FCC and state regulatory agencies to eliminate these taxes.

3. Did you know that Verizon has not raised their monthly fee for FOIS in over three years? If they are a part of this giant telecommunications "oligopoly" they should really consider quitting this organization as it is not very effective.

That's enough tonight. I can't wait to read the responses tomorrow at lunch. Unfortunately I will not get a chance to respond because if I log on to respond it is against company policy and it could in theory be grounds for termination; but if you have any questions on how big telecommunications companies operate I will try to answer them (probably Wednesday evening).
 

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I really don't know why I torture myself but I have a couple comments and questions.

1. ATT spent approximately $20B (that's BILLION) PER YEAR in cap spending over the past three years. Who do you think financed this spending? The capitalist corporation did via debt and internally generated cash flow. Now I don't know about you but if a person or entity spends its own money I think they have the right to limit the access to its network to customers and charge customers for the use of the network. Don't you think this makes sense? From some of the comments above there are some individuals who what these corporations to spend stockholder money on network infrastructure and then should give is away to anyone to use at rates set by the "majority of Americans" regardless if they are paying customers or freeloaders. If this would happen, why would any company spend billions of dollars on a network?

2. Want to know why telephone bills are so high? Well approximately 15-20% of your bill is taxes so if you what to reduce your bills then ask the FCC and state regulatory agencies to eliminate these taxes.

3. Did you know that Verizon has not raised their monthly fee for FOIS in over three years? If they are a part of this giant telecommunications "oligopoly" they should really consider quitting this organization as it is not very effective.

That's enough tonight. I can't wait to read the responses tomorrow at lunch. Unfortunately I will not get a chance to respond because if I log on to respond it is against company policy and it could in theory be grounds for termination; but if you have any questions on how big telecommunications companies operate I will try to answer them (probably Wednesday evening).

not biased...but interesting perspective in all seriousness.
 

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You're too young to know who Judge White is and his decision. Let's just say there is significantly more competition now than there was before his decision. Companies are dumping more into research and upgrades now. It's so competitive right now, telecom companies are looking for ways to stand out from the others. AT&T and Verizon are now offering data services via the cloud. Now you can get your cell, cable tv, internet access and offsite storage from one provider.

I'm not familar with his decision it may have helped relatively speaking. My previous statement of our internet being the slowest in developed world was an overstatement but it is theone of the worst bang for your buck. Many countries in Asia and Europe indeed have faster internet for a lower price that is fact my friend.
 

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MJ12666;128345 2. Want to know why telephone bills are so high? Well approximately 15-20% of your bill is taxes so if you what to reduce your bills then ask the FCC and state regulatory agencies to eliminate these taxes. [/QUOTE said:
They don't pay taxes in Europe and Asia?
 

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I have long said if not for sports we'd get rid of our cable with a quickness... it's the only thing we watch that isn't readily available on Netflix and the like...

I unplugged cable in April. I haven't gotten to see many of the NBA playoffs and I have missed that some. I will definitely miss the World Cup. Football season will be rough. I just couldn't stand paying the ridiculous prices anymore just to watch sports.

I am paying very close attention to this:

Aereo case may not be a Supreme Court slam dunk for broadcasters
 
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I understand everybody's perspective.

But technological gains in cost savings have not been passed on to customers.

If you are like I am, you pay a cable bill several times above what you did, or would have fifteen years ago (adjusted for inflation.) If the actual cost would follow an average between the hardware price, and delivery schedule that companies use for calculation of the cost of their own support services (not an exact science) the bill you would be paying would be about $7 per month for basic services. No argument can be made for subscription services, because that is more dependent on licensing fees.

And, as with everything from Microsoft products to certain hardware and infrastructure devices, manufacturers have been charging us, citizens of the United States for all development. Microsoft operating systems and many application products have been free elsewhere in the world.

Why is this important? The entire cost module certain companies have used are patently false.

Taxes? There is no equivalent scale for taxes, or frame of reference for comparison, as each country applies taxes differently. But many other countries do have triple the minimum wage or guaranteed income. Here the poor are becoming poorer, and companies richer.
 

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I'm not familar with his decision it may have helped relatively speaking. My previous statement of our internet being the slowest in developed world was an overstatement but it is theone of the worst bang for your buck. Many countries in Asia and Europe indeed have faster internet for a lower price that is fact my friend.

Judge White decreed that there was a monopoly with Bell. Basically there was a "Bell" telephone company in every state, but all of them were part of one company. You had very little options when it came to selecting local phone service, long distance and data circuits. The divestiture required each of these Bells to become independent providers who could also offer services across state lines. AT&T became a defacto long distance provider. Then MCI and a few other national providers popped up. Basically the decision allowed anyone to offer communications services (minus cable) to anyone, anywhere. Cable TV was in its infancy and the technology hadn't been developed to take advantage the infrastructure (coax vs. copper & fiber). You can see today where it has led to.

On a side note........Immediately after the divestiture, IBM tried to get into the telcommuncations world, primarily with phone systems. AT&T tried to get into the computer world to compete against IBM. Both fell flat on their faces.
 

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I couldn't do without baseball in the spring and summer and cfb in the fall...
 

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I bundled my cable/internet, and the internet guy told me I would be able to stream netflix while playing games against other users online with no problem, that my internet would be plenty fast... Nah. I can't play online without gameplay being choppy, even when all other devices in my house are off. When my fiance is on netflix, I have to settle for offline play.

Is there anything I can do about getting in touch with them and telling them they lied to me... or will that be useless?
 

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I would def. contact them... just me.

I have Fios and we have multiple streaming devices... never have a problem no matter how many of them are rocking at any given time.
 
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I bundled my cable/internet, and the internet guy told me I would be able to stream netflix while playing games against other users online with no problem, that my internet would be plenty fast... Nah. I can't play online without gameplay being choppy, even when all other devices in my house are off. When my fiance is on netflix, I have to settle for offline play.

Is there anything I can do about getting in touch with them and telling them they lied to me... or will that be useless?

One thing I have noticed over the years is that while cable/telephone providers sell you on speed, what is actually delivered to your modem is one thing and what is actually delivered by your router may be something else.

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Also, I know first hand that these companies throttle speeds at peak times to keep up with demand. Some companies are good at providing good speeds while others like TW are pretty awful. For example, Netflix accounts for 32% of data usage during peak times. This is a chart of speeds for Netflix service for two companies.:
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Cablevision uses Netflix’s Open Connect platform, which helps ISPs minimize the massive strain Netflix puts on their overall network, thus speeding up the entire connection for everyone. Many of the big ISPs — including TWC — have been resistant to using such a platform for fear that others will look at the move as ISPs giving Netflix special treatment. Also, they don’t want every video service asking for similar terms.
 
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For the record, I also have done away with cable all together. I have gone back to basic local channels and the fastest internet package available. I do not miss cable one bit.
 

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For the record, I also have done away with cable all together. I have gone back to basic local channels and the fastest internet package available. I do not miss cable one bit.

As soon as GoT S4 ends, I'll be dropping DirecTV in favor of Netflix, Amazon Prime and Hulu Plus. Looking forward to it.
 
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As soon as GoT S4 ends, I'll be dropping DirecTV in favor of Netflix, Amazon Prime and Hulu Plus. Looking forward to it.

Netflix and Amazon Prime offer essentially the same programs. I have both right now but will probably end up going with Amazon Prime because I get free shipping and free books with the prime membership. Others in my family love Netflix because the interface is so much better than AP.

Amazon Prime just got a bunch of HBOs older series loaded up. I am not sure if Netflix did or not.
 
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Cable is on the downswing. Many people are going to basic or cutting the cord completely. I wonder what the future business models for cable companies are going to look like. I have always wanted the ability to choose my own channels and shows and right now I at least have some say in the matter with streaming online video but the data providers also have a say in that.
 

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Netflix and Amazon Prime offer essentially the same programs. I have both right now but will probably end up going with Amazon Prime because I get free shipping and free books with the prime membership. Others in my family love Netflix because the interface is so much better than AP.

I have AP already for the free shipping. Haven't looked into the content overlap with Netflix, though. I assumed it offers a larger and more varied selection.

Amazon Prime just got a bunch of HBOs older series loaded up. I am not sure if Netflix did or not.

Saw that. I'm hoping there will be some option to watch GoT S5 when it's released in 2015, maybe by paying an additional fee, but I'm not holding my breath. Will probably have to "borrow" someone's HBOGo account.
 

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why do i still have a cable box DVR/remote and continue to pay for the box DVR/remote?

have 3 with DVR and 3 wthout in the house....cost me damn near as much as the cable itself!

plus my kids always oardering movies at 5.95 a pop...they know the ordering security code ugh!!!
 

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Can't. Miss. Daily. Baseball.

Still waiting for a package that gets me just the sports I need at a sane price... and then we will almost certainly do away with cable.
 

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Still waiting for a package that gets me just the sports I need at a sane price... and then we will almost certainly do away with cable.

I don't see that happening for a while. Sports are where the cable companies have decided to make their last stand. ESPN, which owns sports broadcasting in this country, has a very cozy relationship with them.
 
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