Afghan POW Freed After Five Years

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Sergeant Bowe Bergdahl was the lone prisoner of war taken in the Afghanistan conflict and after five years he was freed in a prisoner exchange. My thoughts and prayers are with Bowe and his family at this joyous and difficult time after the incredible ordeal that they have all been through!
 

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Glad he is back but I wish him no happiness in his future. He was asking for it. He wandered off base without his weapon and asked to meet with the Taliban. He is responsible for much loss of life in trying to "rescue" him.

Tweets from a soldier in his squad: (It will take a while to read)

Tweets telling the truth

Edit: Reason I put rescue in quotations is because the Taliban don't exactly take prisoners.
 
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I wish we had the inside info about this exchange because standing on the outside looking in, it looks very bad. Negotiating with the Taliban and handing them back 5 of their stooges is just plain stupid. Now every American hostage that low lifes around the world can get their hands on is worth at least 5 terrorists.
 

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"Forwarded from Jeff Howard. "We were at OP Mest, Paktika Province,
Afghanistan. It was a small outpost where B Co 1-501st INF (airborne)
ran operations out of, just an Infantry platoon and ANA counterparts
there. The place was an Afghan graveyard. Bergdahl had been acting a
little strange, telling people he wanted to "walk the earth" and kept a
little journal talking about how he was meant for better things. No one
thought anything about it. He was a little "out there". Next morning
he's gone. We search everywhere, and can't find him. He left his weapon,
his kit, and other sensitive items. He only took some water, a compass
and a knife. We find some afghan kids shortly after who saw an American
walking north asking about where the Taliban are. We get hits on our
voice interceptor that Taliban has him, and we were close. We come to
realize the kid deserted his post, snuck out of camp and sought out
Taliban… to join them. We were in a defensive position at OP Mest, where
your focus is to keep people out. He knew where the blind spots were to
slip out and that's what he did. It was supposed to be a 4-day mission
but turned into several months of active searching. Everyone was spun up
to find this guy. News outlets all over the country were putting out
false information. It was hard to see, especially when we knew the truth
about what happened and we lost good men trying to find him. PFC
Matthew Michael Martinek, Staff Sgt. Kurt Robert Curtiss, SSG Clayton
Bowen, PFC Morris Walker, SSG Michael Murphrey, 2LT Darryn Andrews, were
all KIA from our unit who died looking for Bergdahl. Many others from
various units were wounded or killed while actively looking for
Bergdahl. Fighting Increased. IEDs and enemy ambushes increased. The
Taliban knew that we were looking for him in high numbers and our
movements were predictable. Because of Bergdahl, more men were out in
danger, and more attacks on friendly camps and positions were conducted
while we were out looking for him. His actions impacted the region more
than anyone wants to admit. There is also no way to know what he told
the Taliban: Our movements, locations, tactics, weak points on vehicles
and other things for the enemy to exploit are just a few possibilities.
The Government knows full well that he deserted. It looks bad and is a
good propaganda piece for the Taliban. They refuse to acknowledge it.
Hell they even promoted him to Sergeant which makes me sick. I feel for
his family who only want their son/brother back. They don't know the
truth, or refuse to acknowledge it as well. What he did affected his
family and his whole town back home, who don't know the truth. Either
way what matters is that good men died because of him. He has been lying
on all those Taliban videos about everything since his "capture". If he
ever returns, he should be tried under the UCMJ for being a deserter
and judged for what he did. Bergdahl is not a hero, he is not a soldier
or an Infantryman. He failed his brothers. Now, sons and daughters are
growing up without their fathers who died for him and he will have to
face that truth someday."
 

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Wow. I remember reading this and wondering why the Taliban would take a prisoner? They kill innocent civilians but they're going to keep a soldier captive? I don't think so. I don't believe this guy is the hero he's being touted as.
 

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Negotiating with terrorists over hostages is a huge mistake. While I am glad the young man is headed back to his family, I don't consider him the "hero" some try to label him. And I wonder just how many lives moving forward will be lost due to the five Taliban that were exchanged or, more importantly, how many terrorists we exchange the next time an American is taken hostage.
 

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I dont like the fact the US did negotiate with terrorists. Let alone, 5 guys in the deal. I am not trying to be an asshole, bc its great that the man is coming home, but I just get an odd feeling.

This is probably what bothers me the most. If its real, I am speechless. In todays world of photoshop and technology, could someone be that sick to make this up? I dont someone would have that much inside knowledge to hack an acct or etc, but I guess you never know.

http://soopermexican.com/2014/06/01...from-taliban-deletes-a-very-disturbing-tweet/
 

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I just have to believe that this administration has to know more than what is being released at this point. There is no way that they could be this short-sighted, right? I mean, apparently we are changing the dynamics of how these situations are dealt with moving forward. If the soldier from the previous post is true, then how could anybody think this was remotely a good idea? I understand that people from opposite sides of the political spectrum usually see this administration through their own pov, but this on the surface just seems wacky. How could any reasonable person think this is a good idea? Did they not know he left the camp the way he did? Do they not understand the precedent this sets? It almost seems like somebody tricked POTUS or purposely gave him very bad advice. This deal does not even come close to passing the smell test. Whether you are a fan of our current administration or not it is hard to sell this as a good thing. I can't imagine the public is done hearing information that makes this deal worse. I wonder how things would have gone if this deal was presented for debate before it was made?
 
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When this first story first broke, the news outlets were saying he was released from the Taliban and was "...now in U.S. custody." I found the use of the word custody very interesting. I looked up a few other stories of American POW's and could not find that usage of the word. Looks like he might be in some trouble and there might be a lot more to this story.

Not to mention, we released 5 of some of the worst guys on the planet and we are going to rely on Qatar to keep them in custody and make sure our security remains intact? That doesn't sound like a great plan.
 

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Who were the five guys released? I know they were being held at Gitmo, but reports have long been that there were a good number of prisoners being held there that had never been charged with anything. Further, many of these individuals might have been released already except there was no nation that wanted to accept them. I haven't been watching much news this weekend, but the little I did watch didn't go into much about the five guys who were being released. If anyone has any information on that, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.
 

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Who were the five guys released? I know they were being held at Gitmo, but reports have long been that there were a good number of prisoners being held there that had never been charged with anything. Further, many of these individuals might have been released already except there was no nation that wanted to accept them. I haven't been watching much news this weekend, but the little I did watch didn't go into much about the five guys who were being released. If anyone has any information on that, I'd appreciate it. Thanks.

I read one of the guys was the head of the Taliban army and another was in charge of the Taliban intelligence ministry. They other three were key figures as well.
 
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This makes me want to watch Rambo II.

I wish there were more Rambos.
 

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While it's great that Bergdahl is back with his family safe, this was huge mistake by Obama negotiating with the Taliban. This guy is not a hero in the least bit, he's a fucking coward. Abandoning his post and a number of actual heroes killed looking for him. IMO he should be charged with a damn crime.
 
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While it's great that Bergdahl is back with his family safe, this was huge mistake by Obama negotiating with the Taliban. This guy is not a hero in the least bit, he's a fucking coward. Abandoning his post and a number of actual heroes killed looking for him. IMO he should be charged with a damn crime.

I haven't read the article, just going by the posts here.

I don't think he's a coward because when I think coward, I think 'not brave' for a lack of better term.

I think he's simply an idiot and I agree that he should be charged.
 

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Maybe we implanted some homing devices that already have some drones plugged into them? Or they are all double secret agents now, flipped to our side at Gitmo thanks to endless loops of Baywatch and Full House on their TVs. Deep down inside they are all saying "What a country!" a la Yakov Smirnoff.

Unfortunately, I think Obama would loved to have given all of the prisoners of Gitmo back so he could shut it down. To his dismay, nobody wants to claim any of those thugs and he is finding that we are kind of stuck with them.

Sounds like this deserter should claim one of the newly opened Gitmo cells for himself. wtf
 
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This kind of reminds me of the situation with the little West Virginia girl, or the NFL star. All the stories released or rumored were lies. Lynch and Tillman were doing their duty, in the final analysis, no more or less.

And I understand you all wanting to get your political jabs in. Republicans sure do want to feast on Obama!

So we don't know anything.

People like to act in control, or smart, or whatever. So they concoct these scenarios where they have the "correct" solution. The reason these cases are never correctly stated is that they are always so much more complex than they are portrayed.

What kind of condition were the detainees in when released? I am not asking this from a human rights standpoint; maybe they were rendered incapable of making war. Maybe they had transponders, chip or chemical installed. Maybe they really weren't soldiers. We have no idea.

Maybe this guys dad was nuts. Maybe it runs in the family. Maybe this was a mission of mercy.

I don't care whether this guy was a flake, freak, or fried. The right thing to do was bring back all of our people. It is the most humane thing. It is part of our military promise. It is what distinguishes us from our enemies. We do the right thing.
 

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I read one of the guys was the head of the Taliban army and another was in charge of the Taliban intelligence ministry. They other three were key figures as well.

Were they convicted of crimes in the military tribunals or were they on indefinite detention without being convicted of anything? My opinion about this situation will probably be informed by the answer to this question as I was never really for just holding people in a military prison outside of the reach of the US justice system. Right now I'm just trying to learn more about the deal that was struck and trying to figure out why and why now? I doubt we'll ever get to the point where any of us can make a completely informed assessment of what happened, but I don't want to be just another ranting, uninformed voice on social media when I form my own opinion about this. I think one thing we can all agree upon is that his family has been relieved of a tremendous burden that they did not deserve to bear.
 

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Tweet by Bergdahl's father, which was posted a few days before this all happened. It was deleted shortly thereafter.

bobbergdahl-deleted-tweet-death-american.jpg
 

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This kind of reminds me of the situation with the little West Virginia girl, or the NFL star. All the stories released or rumored were lies. Lynch and Tillman were doing their duty, in the final analysis, no more or less.

And I understand you all wanting to get your political jabs in. Republicans sure do want to feast on Obama!

So we don't know anything.

People like to act in control, or smart, or whatever. So they concoct these scenarios where they have the "correct" solution. The reason these cases are never correctly stated is that they are always so much more complex than they are portrayed.

What kind of condition were the detainees in when released? I am not asking this from a human rights standpoint; maybe they were rendered incapable of making war. Maybe they had transponders, chip or chemical installed. Maybe they really weren't soldiers. We have no idea.

Maybe this guys dad was nuts. Maybe it runs in the family. Maybe this was a mission of mercy.

I don't care whether this guy was a flake, freak, or fried. The right thing to do was bring back all of our people. It is the most humane thing. It is part of our military promise. It is what distinguishes us from our enemies. We do the right thing.

I will take the word of the people who were there with him personally. 7 platoon mates as of last night came out all with the same story. If he isn't a jihadist, then fine, bring him home. But I have serious doubts. Here is a wikileaks article:

"A captured American soldier is training Taliban fighters bomb-making and
ambush skills, according to one of his captors and Afghan intelligence
officials.

Private Bowe Bergdahl disappeared in June 2009 while based in eastern
Afghanistan and is thought to be the only U.S. serviceman in captivity.

The 24-year-old has converted to Islam and now has the Muslim name
Abdullah, one of his captors told The Sunday Times.
Bowe Bergdahl

Captured: U.S. solider Private Bowe Bergdahl, pictured in a video released
in April, is teaching the Taliban bomb-making skills, according to one of
his captors

A Taliban deputy district commander in Paktika, who called himself Haji
Nadeem, told the newspaper that Bergdahl taught him how to dismantle a
mobile phone and turn it into a remote control for a roadside bomb."

The Global Intelligence Files - Fwd: [OS] US/AFGHANISTAN/MIL/CT - Taliban claim captured U.S. solider has converted to Islam and is teaching its fighters bomb-making skills

This isn't Republicans trying to feast on Obama. This is Americans seriously concerned about:
1) negotiating with terrorists
2) the POW was a deserter
3) He may very well have a more sinister plot.

This reminds me too much of the plot of Homeland, if any of you have seen that.
 

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This kind of reminds me of the situation with the little West Virginia girl, or the NFL star. All the stories released or rumored were lies. Lynch and Tillman were doing their duty, in the final analysis, no more or less.

And I understand you all wanting to get your political jabs in. Republicans sure do want to feast on Obama!

So we don't know anything.

People like to act in control, or smart, or whatever. So they concoct these scenarios where they have the "correct" solution. The reason these cases are never correctly stated is that they are always so much more complex than they are portrayed.

What kind of condition were the detainees in when released? I am not asking this from a human rights standpoint; maybe they were rendered incapable of making war. Maybe they had transponders, chip or chemical installed. Maybe they really weren't soldiers. We have no idea.

Maybe this guys dad was nuts. Maybe it runs in the family. Maybe this was a mission of mercy.

I don't care whether this guy was a flake, freak, or fried. The right thing to do was bring back all of our people. It is the most humane thing. It is part of our military promise. It is what distinguishes us from our enemies. We do the right thing.

Sometimes we sacrifice one or a few for the good of many, so that whole military promise thing is out the window.

If there isn't more to the story than we already know our leadership fk'd up. That's why I want to believe there is more to the story.

From what I've seen and read the soldier and his family are let's say "different". I've had some exposure to cases involving soldiers that have done things kinda similar to what he's accused of doing and the way they say he acted prior to deserting .....they ALL had one thing in common.....loopy fkn parents.

I'm not saying this is the case, but if it smells like shit.........
 
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It will be interesting to see how much comes out of what this really is.

I think we have an obligation to bring everybody home. No matter what.

This is separate and distinct from what we do with that individual when he/she is home.
 

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1. His former chain of command will decide if punishment is necessary or not. I'd rather that politics were kept to a minimum in that, but with so many already hailing him as a hero, that will be difficult. One thing's for sure, he's got a lot of explaining to do.

2. They let those gomers go because they know they can smoke them with a drone strike later. DoD isn't always as ineffectual as they appear. Ppl hammering Obama on this part in order to score political points need to stfu. Legit criticism is 1 thing, bashing because of the opening is another.
 

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It will be interesting to see how much comes out of what this really is.

I think we have an obligation to bring everybody home. No matter what.

This is separate and distinct from what we do with that individual when he/she is home.

Being former military, I concur 100% that we have an obligation to bring everyone home. However, my issue here is the manner in which it occurred. The five Taliban detainees were obviously high value personnel as it was those five specifically that the Taliban asked for. Again, this whole thing sets a dangerous presedence and the results of such actions will be determined as time moves on.
 

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Being former military, I concur 100% that we have an obligation to bring everyone home. However, my issue here is the manner in which it occurred. The five Taliban detainees were obviously high value personnel as it was those five specifically that the Taliban asked for. Again, this whole thing sets a dangerous presedence and the results of such actions will be determined as time moves on.

So, the other side of this is that Bergdahl would be considered a high value person because the US was willing to trade five high value guys for him. Honestly, how many of us knew the name Bergdahl before today? I don't think that we can automatically assume that the five guys from GTMO were the worst of the worst we were holding based on this logic.

I don't completely disagree with your point about precident being set, but I also lean strongly toward Bogs' point about no man left behind. I'd like to learn the ground truth about the five guys being traded for Bergdahl before I call this a mistake. They could just as easily be nobodies who were held captive for no good reason and who who had some family connection or something that gave them additional value as trade bait. Or, just the number 5 made it a "win" for the Taliban in the court of world public opinion. I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions just yet.
 

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So, the other side of this is that Bergdahl would be considered a high value person because the US was willing to trade five high value guys for him. Honestly, how many of us knew the name Bergdahl before today? I don't think that we can automatically assume that the five guys from GTMO were the worst of the worst we were holding based on this logic.

I don't completely disagree with your point about precident being set, but I also lean strongly toward Bogs' point about no man left behind. I'd like to learn the ground truth about the five guys being traded for Bergdahl before I call this a mistake. They could just as easily be nobodies who were held captive for no good reason and who who had some family connection or something that gave them additional value as trade bait. Or, just the number 5 made it a "win" for the Taliban in the court of world public opinion. I'm not ready to jump to any conclusions just yet.

It is being pretty widely reported that the five that were asked for were pretty high up in the Taliban hierarchy. One being their Minister if Intelligence I believe. That's pretty significant one would believe.

As far as no man left behind, I agree 100% on that. However, the reason given for acting so fast and bypassing the normal chain when dealing with issues such as this probably isn't going to fly with the American public... especially if the back stories that have came out are tru. I am glad the soldier is going to be reunited with his family. But if this precedence puts other American soldiers, diplomats, etc in increased danger of kidnap for ransom, bargaining chips to free other detainees, then the political fallout will be huge. How would the Admin go about telling tthe family of one of those that their son/daughter/mom/dad, isn't worth trading for? That's the whole point of my argument on precedence.
 

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It is being pretty widely reported that the five that were asked for were pretty high up in the Taliban hierarchy. One being their Minister if Intelligence I believe. That's pretty significant one would believe.

As far as no man left behind, I agree 100% on that. However, the reason given for acting so fast and bypassing the normal chain when dealing with issues such as this probably isn't going to fly with the American public... especially if the back stories that have came out are tru. I am glad the soldier is going to be reunited with his family. But if this precedence puts other American soldiers, diplomats, etc in increased danger of kidnap for ransom, bargaining chips to free other detainees, then the political fallout will be huge. How would the Admin go about telling tthe family of one of those that their son/daughter/mom/dad, isn't worth trading for? That's the whole point of my argument on precedence.

As I said several posts up, I was away for the weekend and didn't watch much news. Did not hear about the nature of the others -- especially if they were convicted of anything in the tribunals at GTMO. I think that is profoundly important -- more so than what his former position might have been or if he was identified by the Taliban as the person they wanted. Was he found guilty of anything. If not, I'm not sure we have the moral high ground to even have been holding these five in the first place. Again, i don't know the answers ... but I'd like to know before deciding where I fall on this.
 
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As I said several posts up, I was away for the weekend and didn't watch much news. Did not hear about the nature of the others -- especially if they were convicted of anything in the tribunals at GTMO. I think that is profoundly important -- more so than what his former position might have been or if he was identified by the Taliban as the person they wanted. Was he found guilty of anything. If not, I'm not sure we have the moral high ground to even have been holding these five in the first place. Again, i don't know the answers ... but I'd like to know before deciding where I fall on this.

I may be wrong but hasn't it been our own Justice Dept under Holder that have tried to bypass military tribunals in favor of federal court? Probably a good reason if many of the detainees at GITMO haven't been tried yet. But from all reports from every side, those that were left at GITMO have been deemed as high value and the main reason they are still there... besides the fact that no other country wants to take them in as detainees.

As far as importance to me... the detainees were guilty of wanting to harm Americans when they were taken off the field of battle or were detained by joint operations from other countries with our help due to their known terrorist activities.
 
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