Most Overrated Movies

[zelezo vlk]

I never argued otherwise. The production value is great, and the story has some good messages for a little girl.



I'm coming at this from the prospective of a father with three impressionable young boys that has a hard time finding acceptable movies for them to watch. Take Pixar's movies-- I can't think of a single one that has such a blatant gender imbalance as Frozen. That doesn't make it a bad movie per se, but it definitely makes it an outlier that's of questionable value for little boys.



Most of those came out many decades ago, when traditional gender norms were much stronger. And I wasn't implying that those movies were somehow better (most of those were girly as fuck, too, and Prince Charming slaying a dragon at the end wasn't nearly enough to making them interesting to me as a little boy).



Which I mentioned as a positive in my first post about Frozen. Honestly, my only issue with it is the significant gender imbalance, which makes it of questionable relevance to little boys. But as Emcee mentioned above, it was probably unintentional due to the massive rewrite it went through.

It's been a while since I've seen it, but what did you think of Brave?

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[GATTACA!]

All of the Star Wars movies and Harry Potter movies.

Star wars is the most overrated movie franchise in the history of movie franchises

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[Whiskeyjack]

It's been a while since I've seen it, but what did you think of Brave?

Loved it. Neither of the primary protagonists is male, but there are several positive male roles (Merida's father and younger brothers, etc.) I'm trying to put my finger on exactly what it is about Frozen that annoys me where Brave doesn't; Frozen just seems a lot more explicit and intentional with its gender imbalance.

 

[ShamrockOnHelmet]

Disney's getting back to its roots with musical updates on classic fairy tales. Tangled was a huge success, and Frozen is just following up on that. .

That's the part that is crazy about it, though. It's a completely different movie than tangled, which I agree is outstanding. Why they went the other way is completely mystifying.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

That's the part that is crazy about it, though. It's a completely different movie than tangled, which I agree is outstanding. Why they went the other way is completely mystifying.

Both movies were written and produced by the same husband/ wife tandem. I'd like to give them the benefit of the doubt and assume that Frozen has a much different feel due to the massive rewrite it went through late in the process. But it's been an even bigger success than Tangled thus far, so who knows what their next offering will be like?

 

[IrishinTN]

At least three kids either walked by or rode their bikes by my house this week singing "let it go". It's getting annoying.

 

[Rhode Irish]

The Coen bros. (Fargo, Big Lebowski) ... you either like their movies or you hate them. I happen to love them, but the humor is subtle.

I don't think I could be friends with someone who didn't like the Coen brothers at all. That said, they aren't infallible. I didn't think Inside Llewyn Davis was very good and I wanted to like it.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Also, I'm utterly confused by all this Disney talk. Never heard of any of what you're talking about and never heard the song.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Also, I'm utterly confused by all this Disney talk. Never heard of any of what you're talking about and never heard the song.

I occasionally envy you city-dwelling professionals who live in a child-free bubble.

 

[GoIrish41]

The Coen bros. (Fargo, Big Lebowski) ... you either like their movies or you hate them. I happen to love them, but the humor is subtle.

Love the Coen bros movies. O Brother Where Art Thou is perhaps my fav.

 

[koonja]

Three things:

1) I propose we have an IE for 'tangent thread of the year' or 'dshans thread of the year'.

2) I nominate this thread.

3) Speaking of Disney movies, Aladdin is my favorite of all time. Funny, mysterious, magic, and has THE best music of any Disney movie.

Arabian Nights
One Jump Ahead
Friend Like Me
Prince Ali
Magic Carpet Ride

 

[zelezo vlk]

Do Disney-Pixar movies count towards Disney movies?

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[GoIrish41]

Do Disney-Pixar movies count towards Disney movies?

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Why not?

 

[Rhode Irish]

I occasionally envy you city-dwelling professionals who live in a child-free bubble.

We could do a trading places-style swap some time. Could be good for the both of us. Lol.

 

[gkIrish]

Three things:

1) I propose we have an IE for 'tangent thread of the year' or 'dshans thread of the year'.

2) I nominate this thread.

3) Speaking of Disney movies, Aladdin is my favorite of all time. Funny, mysterious, magic, and has THE best music of any Disney movie.

Arabian Nights
One Jump Ahead
Friend Like Me
Prince Ali
Magic Carpet Ride

I knew I liked you for some reason. But get your titles right.

 

[bert2834]

Not sure if it's been posted. But Fast Times at Ridgemont High. Tried watching that 5 times and could never get through it.

 

[IrishInFl]

For real. I don't get the love.

Also, I submit that if,


then you haven't seen many actors.

I can not agree more.

 

[IrishInFl]

Here it goes:

The Big Lebowski. Overrated.

Tried watching it twice. Fell asleep the first time, got up and left to drink beers the second time. Haven't tried again since.

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[Black Irish]

Lots of tangents here. I think I'll try to help and create an "Underrated Movie" thread. We probably can use a few others.

 

[Bluto]

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Lol. Star Wars also produced arguably the worst character in the history of cinema, Jar Jar Binks.

 

[philipm31]

Lol. Star Wars also produced arguably the worst character in the history of cinema, Jar Jar Binks.

Along with the archetypal villain for all movies of its genre, Darth Vader.

The constant bitching about the prequels overshadows the fact that Star Wars is probably the most important movie franchise ever, because of its wide-ranging effect within and beyond its own movie genre.

 

[Bluto]

Along with the archetypal villain for all movies of its genre, Darth Vader.

The constant bitching about the prequels overshadows the fact that Star Wars is probably the most important movie franchise ever, because of its wide-ranging effect within and beyond its own movie genre.

Actually the character of Darth Vader and the entire idea of an "evil empire" is something that had been around in science fiction for decades prior to Star Wars (See Ming the Merciless and the Flash Gordon series).

Anyhow, Star Wars did introduce a bunch of cool special effects/visuals and it set the benchmark in terms of producing a bunch of plastic crap for kids like myself to play with. If that's important then I guess Star Wars gets a prize.

 

[philipm31]

Actually the character of Darth Vader and the entire idea of an "evil empire" is something that had been around in science fiction for decades prior to Star Wars (See Ming the Merciless and the Flash Gordon series).

Anyhow, Star Wars did introduce a bunch of cool special effects/visuals and it set the benchmark in terms of producing a bunch of plastic crap for kids like myself to play with. If that's important then I guess Star Wars gets a prize.

I understand that archetype has been around for FOREVER, but for its genre, no sci-fi bad guy is modeled more after Ming the Merciless than after Darth Vader.

The effect of Star Wars is far beyond just toys. Anyone can see that, no matter how poorly done the prequels were.

If you want to downplay the significance of Star Wars as an ENTIRE movie franchise, that still does not mean that is less important as a franchise. In fact, without Star War and its success, there may never have been a sci-fi movie genre. It fundamentally changed the way we view movies now.

Kids, smh.

http://cla.calpoly.edu/~lcall/303/utley_on_star_wars.pdf
Star Wars: A Myth for Our Time

The Worldview of Star Wars - A Christian Evaluation - Probe Ministries

Myth, media, and culture in Star wars : an anthology (Book, 2012) [WorldCat.org]

Yeah, Star Wars as a franchise is totally overrated.

 

[zelezo vlk]

Argo. Or at least I don't seem as enthralled with it as others.

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[philipm31]

Argo. Or at least I don't seem as enthralled with it as others.

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Never saw the whole film, but again, Affleck seems much better behind the camera than in front of it.

 

[Bluto]

I understand that archetype has been around for FOREVER, but for its genre, no sci-fi bad guy is modeled more after Ming the Merciless than after Darth Vader.

The effect of Star Wars is far beyond just toys. Anyone can see that, no matter how poorly done the prequels were.

If you want to downplay the significance of Star Wars as an ENTIRE movie franchise, that still does not mean that is less important as a franchise. In fact, without Star War and its success, there may never have been a sci-fi movie genre. It fundamentally changed the way we view movies now.

Kids, smh.

http://cla.calpoly.edu/~lcall/303/utley_on_star_wars.pdf
Star Wars: A Myth for Our Time

The Worldview of Star Wars - A Christian Evaluation - Probe Ministries

Myth, media, and culture in Star wars : an anthology (Book, 2012) [WorldCat.org]

Yeah, Star Wars as a franchise is totally overrated.

I think you missed my point. You stated that Darth Vader was the archetype for "every" sci-fi bad guy. I simply pointed out that Darth Vader wasn't in fact the archetype. If Darth Vader is modeled after Ming the Merciless then by default all those characters modeled after Vader are modeled after Ming.

Yeah, I agree and said in albeit a snarky way that as a franchise Star Wars set the bar in terms of being a cash cow. That's Star War's big contribution to society. As films and a story as a whole that entire series of films runs the gambit of good to flat out bad. So, in my opinion it's pretty overrated.

Anyhow, how could there never be a sci fi movie genre without Star Wars if there was one before it? Now if you said Star Wars can be credited with studios green lighting more sci fi movies I might buy that.

 

[connor_in]

I think Star Wars is more fantasy than sci fi

 

[GATTACA!]

I think Star Wars is more fantasy than sci fi

 

[philipm31]

I think you missed my point. You stated that Darth Vader was the archetype for "every" sci-fi bad guy. I simply pointed out that Darth Vader wasn't in fact the archetype. If Darth Vader is modeled after Ming the Merciless then by default all those characters modeled after Vader are modeled after Ming.

Yeah, I agree and said in albeit a snarky way that as a franchise Star Wars set the bar in terms of being a cash cow. That's Star War's big contribution to society. As films and a story as a whole that entire series of films runs the gambit of good to flat out bad. So, in my opinion it's pretty overrated.

Anyhow, how could there never be a sci fi movie genre without Star Wars if there was one before it? Now if you said Star Wars can be credited with studios green lighting more sci fi movies I might buy that.

Because every sci fi genre movie that has followed it is based on it, not on the Flash Gordon movie, that was a terrible one-off with awful acting, graphics, everything. If the only contribution that a movie made to popular culture was four syllables "Flash!! Aa-aa", then by definition it was not the archetype or the precursor to an entire genre of films.

But if you honestly think that the ONLY contribution that it made to society was money, you missed the entire point that I was making.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0jkSZZW7rk

Mythology in Star Wars

The importance of Star Wars is beyond money, and beyond whether or not your classify it as sci-fi or fantasy, or both.

 

[RDU Irish]

Forrest Gump was grossly overrated, as was Tom Hanks acting in it. Virtually every American can act stupid when called upon to do so (or in many cases act stupider).