'10 FL DT Louis Nix (Notre Dame Man)

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-For whatever an individual opinion might be worth, I have one on our beloved Big Lou and this draft:

The pros are looking for someone who can be inserted into the DLine and least potentially play all the downs. They are looking for someone who will not wilt. Coach has been warning us that Lou needs to get his "work volume" up [i.e. his ability to go full-out for a greater number of plays before tiring] for every year of Lou's career. This is what the pros are concerned about.

They are NOT concerned about whether he will give all he has in his tank at any given moment, just that the tank runs a bit dry too soon. Mayock is EXACTLY right about this: there is no quit in Lou but when he gets tired he cannot stay low, begins to stand up, and gets emired in the blocking and often even turned --- something which does NOT happen when he's got energy.

There's no issue about Lou loving football, being any kind of problem, being too nice on the field, quickness, nor raw speed. They probably have legitimate concerns about his resolve to get down to 330 and stay there. They probably also have some concerns as to whether his "connectors" [tendons, hamstrings] can support his excess weight when he tries to run down an opponent [as we've seen him try to do] and thereby make him a minor injury risk.

It's all about weight and its consequences. Kelly knew that from day one. None of that minimizes my own fondness for the big guy --- one of my all-time favorite players.


p.s. guys, could we just be willing to cut personal debates really short before they ruin threads? That would be most appreciated. ... I mean, who the hell cares --- certainly not the rest of us.

Another great post.

Seems to me that DT's lost value in this draft in the first place because of the specialization of the position. People were looking for specifics, and like running back have an economic model in mind where they want to pay less for two more specialist performers, than one guy that can play from zero to three technique. Kind of the opposite of what we are starting to see on the offensive line.
 

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Guys one again I wasn't the one questioning and of those stuff on Nix.

As for being a bears fan I am much happier with Sutton and Ferguson over Nix.


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Guys one again I wasn't the one questioning and of those stuff on Nix.

As for being a bears fan I am much happier with Sutton and Ferguson over Nix.


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And, I am sure Louis Nix is much happier sandwiched between J J Watt and Clowney. Draft free fall? With the Texans, Nix could not have landed in a better position to start his professional career. Ego Ferguson and Will Sutton will not fix the mess that Chicago has gotten themselves into with their defense.
 

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And, I am sure Louis Nix is much happier sandwiched between J J Watt and Clowney. Draft free fall? With the Texans, Nix could not have landed in a better position to start his professional career. Ego Ferguson and Will Sutton will not fix the mess that Chicago has gotten themselves into with their defense.



Quit being a damn homer. Bears drafted two 4-3 DTs not a 3-4 with knee and durability issues. Love the picks
 

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Quit being a damn homer. Bears drafted two 4-3 DTs not a 3-4 with knee and durability issues. Love the picks

You really need to back up and take a deep breath. I don't know what has gotten into you lately but your posting has been abrasive and in no way in the best interest of the board. Lock it up, or take a little time off.

There is always room for different opinions, but the way you are posting lately goes way beyond that. Please ease up and chill.
 

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Nix doesn't fit the Bear's scheme. It's as simple as that, if you don't recognize that I don't think anyone can help you.
 

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I love the quit being a homer comment while making a homer comment on the NFL franchise you root for. Lol
 
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... on the NFL franchise you route for. Lol

While I might shy away from comment on what may well be a simple typo, I find it difficult to refrain from being an ass.

While "o" and "u" are a mere two tile away from each other on a standard keyboard, an "oo" is a simple double clutch.

Wail/wale/whale away ...
 

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You really need to back up and take a deep breath. I don't know what has gotten into you lately but your posting has been abrasive and in no way in the best interest of the board. Lock it up, or take a little time off.

There is always room for different opinions, but the way you are posting lately goes way beyond that. Please ease up and chill.



What did I say? If this Louis nix played for Michigan no one would give a shit. I say I am happy the Bears drafted a 4-3 DT over a 3-4 guy who played below average this year and gave his all to ND? I've never been a homer and I never will, sorry for speaking my mind. What did I say that is abrasive or arogant. ?
 
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Reminds me of when the Colts got Josh Chapman. Great NT with a knee issue who fell way too far. He's going to pan out like Chapman is about to, even if it takes a year or two. Crazy nice front 7 in Houston. I'm scared for my Colts.
 

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Reminds me of when the Colts got Josh Chapman. Great NT with a knee issue who fell way too far. He's going to pan out like Chapman is about to, even if it takes a year or two. Crazy nice front 7 in Houston. I'm scared for my Colts.

I also hope Louis Nix rips it up and makes a pro bowl
 

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I also hope Louis Nix rips it up and makes a pro bowl

Assuming his knee recovers, he will make multiple pro bowls. The Bears are idiots for not drafting him, and frankly I am happy that Nix didn't end up in Chicago. Chicago will be a terrible team for the foreseeable future.

Nix played his best against the best competition. He is the steal of the draft. Nix will have more of an impact than Clowney. In fact, I think Clowney will struggle as teams will run right at him, because they won't be able to run up to middle.
 

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I agree that the bears suck, but they were clearly drafting for a 4-3. Nix is a prototypical 3-4 NT, and he'll tear it up with Clowney and Watt.
 

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I hate that Lou dropped so far, but I am with the rest of you. He could not have fallen into a better situation.
 

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Assuming his knee recovers, he will make multiple pro bowls. The Bears are idiots for not drafting him, and frankly I am happy that Nix didn't end up in Chicago. Chicago will be a terrible team for the foreseeable future.

Nix played his best against the best competition. He is the steal of the draft. Nix will have more of an impact than Clowney. In fact, I think Clowney will struggle as teams will run right at him, because they won't be able to run up to middle.

What?
 
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I think he envisions Clowney as being the week link against the run, envisioning a starting front lineup of Watt, Nix, and Clowney.

My personal feelings are that people are taking this draft thing to personal. On defense there are three positions that pay for specific skills; edge rusher, lock-down corner, and centerfield safety. Because everything is becoming so package-situation oriented.

Guys that can do it all are getting paid. But even Aaron Donald, may have been a top five in the past. (If his game was complete, and it isn't quite.) Nix is a zero technique. He has never had enough gas to two gap and rush the qb; who would? His fall is consummate with his position value. The guys that should be crying a river over this draft are the running backs and quarterbacks. Not only did all the qb's plummet, but who landed well?

Still, there are people on this board that have to make everything personal. I have to tell you I love ND football. I really do. But when I put together the list of what is important in life, guess where anything about football falls? Let alone someone else's conflicting opinion. How about you?

Here is my point, if every aspect of your game is good, like Zack Martin's you are going to get big bucks. Right now there are only a few positions where that is even possible. Not running back, only outside linebacker maybe, corner, a well rounded safety and possibly wide receiver, (but that is a pretty specialized position to begin with.) And there are positions where you have to be rounded to get any money (unless you are an elite edge rusher) like on the defensive line.
 
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You really need to back up and take a deep breath. I don't know what has gotten into you lately but your posting has been abrasive and in no way in the best interest of the board. Lock it up, or take a little time off.

There is always room for different opinions, but the way you are posting lately goes way beyond that. Please ease up and chill.

Abrasive lately? Obnoxious is his M.O.
 

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I think this sentiment is probably true. But you have been pretty pissy lately.


Well fine and thank you for pointing that out, I just don't understand the homerism sometimes. If you wanna call me out for being a dick or crabby that's fine. But I don't understand why people don't see where I am coming from with the 3-4 4-3 argument.
 

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Well fine and thank you for pointing that out, I just don't understand the homerism sometimes. If you wanna call me out for being a dick or crabby that's fine. But I don't understand why people don't see where I am coming from with the 3-4 4-3 argument.

For the record, you are 100% correct with the 4-3 vs 3-4 scheme regarding Nix and da Bears. However, what amazes me is that "homerism" on a fan site baffles you. FAN site. FANATIC site. Now pull the fucking string out- you're better than this, GB.
 

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Lous career will be what he wants it to be. He has some growing up to do. He can hall of fame potential bc he can be that good if his attitude and his health stay good or he could not get a second contract. Just watch the Michigan 2013 game if you dont think he has talent. He was somewhat healthy that game and he was literally unblockable.

I dont know much about Bill O Brien but from what I have seen hes a hell of a coach. He completely revamped a Penn St program and won some big games with a freshman Qb and a severe lack of scholariship players. Having JJ Watt will only help Nix on and off the field if Watt can mentor him.
 

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I think he envisions Clowney as being the week link against the run, envisioning a starting front lineup of Watt, Nix, and Clowney.

My personal feelings are that people are taking this draft thing to personal. On defense there are three positions that pay for specific skills; edge rusher, lock-down corner, and centerfield safety. Because everything is becoming so package-situation oriented.

Guys that can do it all are getting paid. But even Aaron Donald, may have been a top five in the past. (If his game was complete, and it isn't quite.) Nix is a zero technique. He has never had enough gas to two gap and rush the qb; who would? His fall is consummate with his position value. The guys that should be crying a river over this draft are the running backs and quarterbacks. Not only did all the qb's plummet, but who landed well?

Still, there are people on this board that have to make everything personal. I have to tell you I love ND football. I really do. But when I put together the list of what is important in life, guess where anything about football falls? Let alone someone else's conflicting opinion. How about you?

Here is my point, if every aspect of your game is good, like Zack Martin's you are going to get big bucks. Right now there are only a few positions where that is even possible. Not running back, only outside linebacker maybe, corner, a well rounded safety and possibly wide receiver, (but that is a pretty specialized position to begin with.) And there are positions where you have to be rounded to get any money (unless you are an elite edge rusher) like on the defensive line.

No, I envision Clowney as a hybrid DL/LB. He will have to learn how to play in space. The only time he will be lined up in a three man front is in obvious passing downs. He struggled to hold the point of attack in college. Now he will face bigger, faster, more athletic linemen in the NFL. It will be interesting to see how he fares.

Nix may not get the highlight reel sack, but he plays the crucial role of a center pawn.
 
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I think I am conflating frustration. My brain is trying to make a very good 3-4 DT preferable to mediocre 4-3 DTs in a 4-3 system. Kind of take the best talent available and figure out what to do with them later. Years of frustrating early round picks by the Bears...

Bears drafted two mediocre 4-3 DTs higher than they should have (Sutton in particular). If they were so dead set on DTs I would rather see them make a move for Donald and forget these two, or maybe take Sutton if he falls to 5th round where he was projected.

Nix, frustrated that he went 3rd round when I really wanted to see him go early 2nd near Tuitt. I can't agree more that he landed in a fantastic situation. Only better situation I could imagine would be San Diego out of pure novelty of T'eo cleaning house behind him again. I will enjoy watching the Texans the next few seasons.
 
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No, I envision Clowney as a hybrid DL/LB. He will have to learn how to play in space. The only time he will be lined up in a three man front is in obvious passing downs. He struggled to hold the point of attack in college. Now he will face bigger, faster, more athletic linemen in the NFL. It will be interesting to see how he fares.

Nix may not get the highlight reel sack, but he plays the crucial role of a center pawn.

I think having Clowney outside of Watt will be terribly difficult to block. Clowney is good at getting into the backfield but he does not take on double teams or hold ground well against the run. His strength is penetration. I definitely do not see him as 3-4 DE. I think right meow he is a CAT/WDE
 
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