Donald Sterling is not a progressive thinker

woolybug25

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For me its a two-headed ax. If you want to talk veiwership.... then maybe yes globally, basketball has many more viewers. Soccer, then cricket, then basketball... that's plausible. Revenue wise, globally, its soccer far and away, then American football, baseball, etc. Basketball is somewhere far down and cricket does not generate even a billion dollars annually.

Here in the United states, viewership and revenue are completely owned by the NFL. No question. So I guess if one wants to go tit for tat, choose a path......

Consumeronomics: What's the world's most valuable Sport - It's definitely not cricket, atleast not yet

How is this even possible? When 1.5 Billion people watch one game, I find it shocking that their league cannot find a way to scratch $0.67 of revenue per each viewer. That doesn't even count the other games in the season either. Major missed opportunity there.
 
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How is this even possible? When 1.5 Billion people watch one game, I find it shocking that their league cannot find a way to scratch $0.67 of revenue per each viewer. That doesn't even count the other games in the season either. Major missed opportunity there.

The link I posted most recently says the global cricket revenue is around $270 million dollars. So its more like $0.20 per viewer. It probably has something to do with how much money can be squeezed away from the average Indian or Sri Lankan viewer, which is probably not very much, as opposed to the typical UK or US football viewer.
 

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The link I posted most recently says the global cricket revenue is around $270 million dollars. So its more like $0.20 per viewer. It probably has something to do with how much money can be squeezed away from the average Indian or Sri Lankan viewer, which is probably not very much, as opposed to the typical UK or US football viewer.

Geez... I get that India doesn't have a high per capita income, but that's also just one game! The World Cup alone has 42 games that are played. So that's $5.5M per game, including one game where they have 1.5 Billion viewers. That's pathetic, no matter how poor the countries are that its most popular in.

They average over a million viewer a game and have a final game with 1.5 Billion. So lets do some VERY conservative math here.

48 games x 1 million viewers = 48 million
1 game x 1.5 Billion
Season total = 1.98 Billion television viewers

That's $0.14 per viewer over the course of the season. I think saying that they only get 7% of the viewership on regular games vs the championship game is super conservative as well. That's crazy poor marketing of the sport.
 

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I do. If his point was that more people watch the NBA worldwide than the NFL, then he is correct. But that is not how I took his comment:



I took his comment of NBA>NFL as saying "the NBA is better than the NFL" because of his clarification in the last sentence. The bolded sentence was his only comment regarding viewership, which he is completely incorrect about.

I'm talking about number of fans, globally.
Cricket has a tremendous amount of fans, but its geographical range is no where near sports like soccer and basketball.

American Football does generate crazy amount of money but, like cricket, the geographical range of viewers is very limited.

At no point did I ever mention revenue in my post, so for you to "take it" as money related, is just silly. But, that's what you're best at, drawing your own biased conclusions.

Basketball is simply more popular than American football, globally, period.
 

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Two things to consider here........

1. None of the evidence points to basketball being as popular as soccer, as was originally claimed.

2. "Basketball" no longer equals "the NBA". There are leagues all over Europe and Asia that garner viewers for "basketball", but not "the NBA".
 

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I'm talking about number of fans, globally.
Cricket has a tremendous amount of fans, but its geographical range is no where near sports like soccer and basketball.

American Football does generate crazy amount of money but, like cricket, the geographical range of viewers is very limited.

At no point did I ever mention revenue in my post, so for you to "take it" as money related, is just silly. But, that's what you're best at, drawing your own biased conclusions.

Basketball is simply more popular than American football, globally, period.

You clearly said that "David Stern saved the nba and now has it set up to be one the most followed sports leagues in the world, matching soccer.", which is completely innacurate in any way that you present it.

The revenue part wasn't referring to you or your argument at all, it was a conversation between me and Cack. So butt out and quit accusing me of making "biased conclusions". That conversation wasn't even regarding your completely innacurate description of viewers.

You also cant caveat' your statement now with "but, but, but... I meant that it's the same when you factor in geographica range". That wasn't your statement and it wasn't your point.

Now eat your crow or gtfo...
 
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I'm talking about number of fans, globally.
Cricket has a tremendous amount of fans, but its geographical range is no where near sports like soccer and basketball.

American Football does generate crazy amount of money but, like cricket, the geographical range of viewers is very limited.

At no point did I ever mention revenue in my post, so for you to "take it" as money related, is just silly. But, that's what you're best at, drawing your own biased conclusions.

Basketball is simply more popular than American football, globally, period.


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eh....maybe you should go back and amend your original statement. For posterity's sake.
 
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Geez... I get that India doesn't have a high per capita income, but that's also just one game! The World Cup alone has 42 games that are played. So that's $5.5M per game, including one game where they have 1.5 Billion viewers. That's pathetic, no matter how poor the countries are that its most popular in.

They average over a million viewer a game and have a final game with 1.5 Billion. So lets do some VERY conservative math here.

48 games x 1 million viewers = 48 million
1 game x 1.5 Billion
Season total = 1.98 Billion television viewers

That's $0.14 per viewer over the course of the season. I think saying that they only get 7% of the viewership on regular games vs the championship game is super conservative as well. That's crazy poor marketing of the sport.

I do not disagree with any of this..... Maybe you and I can go to Oceania and become the South Pacific Mad Men?
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You clearly said that "David Stern saved the nba and now has it set up to be one the most followed sports leagues in the world, matching soccer.", which is completely innacurate in any way that you present it.

The revenue part wasn't referring to you or your argument at all, it was a conversation between me and Cack. So butt out and quit accusing me of making "biased conclusions". That conversation wasn't even regarding your completely innacurate description of viewers.

You also cant caveat' your statement now with "but, but, but... I meant that it's the same when you factor in geographica range". That wasn't your statement and it wasn't your point.

Now eat your crow or gtfo...

I said it's SET UP to be one of the most watched sports in the world. Are you that uninformed with regards to the global increased popularity in Basketball? Have you not followed the ripple effect of the Beijing Olympics?
 
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Cackalacky

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Really?
Learn to use demographics... please. You're embarrassing yourself.

According to this "graph" China would have no interest in Basketball.

Do you suggest that's the case?

No. Only that Ping Pong is the most popular sport in China and that you should revisit your premise. Maybe straighten it out a bit and form a more coherent point. Are you talking NBA or basketball? NFL or NBA? Globally or nationally? Not sure. Regardless, revenue wise (Which is the bottom line), NFL torches anything basketball related.
 

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I love me some conspiracy theories...what if Magic and others framed Sterling so that he was forced to sell on the cheap?
 

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No. Only that Ping Pong is the most popular sport in China and that you should revisit your premise. Maybe straighten it out a bit and form a more coherent point. Are you talking NBA or basketball? NFL or NBA? Globally or nationally? Not sure. Regardless, revenue wise (Which is the bottom line), NFL torches anything basketball related.

My point was coherent. I am sorry people started to bring money into my discussion. I didn't ask for anyone to make wild conclusions.

My original point was, David Stern has done great things for the NBA and has SET UP the league in a way were it's popularity is catching up to that of soccer.
 
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Cackalacky

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My point was coherent. I am sorry people started to bring money into my discussion. I didn't ask for anyone to make wild conclusions.

My original point was, David Stern has done great things for the NBA and has SET UP the league in a way were it's popularity is catching up to that of soccer.

Once again, and based on what many have said already, you may want to rethink that premise. You say NBA but compare it to soccer. Confusing.... Globally there is nothing even close to soccer. C'mon man give me something to work with. I am not being purposefully dismissive but I get nothing but a flat assertion from your premise.
 
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Once again, and based on what many have said already, you may want to rethink that premise. You say NBA but compare it to soccer. Confusing.... Globally there is nothing even close to soccer. C'mon man give me something to work with. I am not being purposefully dismissive but I get nothing but a flat assertion from your premise.

NBA compared to soccer leagues... is that better?

I didn't know I needed to spell this out for you guys, thought I was dealing with informed adults who are more than capable of simple factual deductions.

I am sorry posters.
 
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NBA compared to soccer leagues... is that better?

I didn't know I needed to spell this out for you guys, thought I was dealing with informed adults who are more than capable of simple factual deductions.

I am sorry posters.

You are in fact dealing with pretty intelligent posters so there really is no need to be insulting. As far as factual deductions you only stated a premise and provided no information to support it. Intelligent and well informed posters questioned that, as they should when confronted with something so poorly stated.

So based on this then you say the NBA> NFL which is almost on par with soccer leagues. Well which leagues? All of them? One of them? As far as what? Popularity? Please provide evidence for this. Viewership? It has already been shown above that Soccer and Cricket dwarf basketball in viewership. In Revenue which is what really matters, basketball is no where even close. The NFL doubles NBA revenue which is even less the Premiere League revenue (the most popular, widely viewed and revenue generating soccer league) . Please, again, provide some evidence other than your own assertion and insults.
 
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geez, the bubble you have to live in to live in So Cal, own a basketball team and still think that way...

sidenote, Donald Sterling would hate him some ACamp1900 photo thread posts...

and yeah, she definately set him up here, no question... he still said it though.
 

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Let me see...

Associate with people who think associating with blacks is beneath them

OR

Just associate with blacks and tell the first grouping to screw themselves...

easy enough choice here...

I'm still blown away that he holds these views and OWNS A BASKETBALL TEAM...
 

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geez, the bubble you have to live in to live in So Cal, own a basketball team and still think that way...

sidenote, Donald Sterling would hate him some ACamp1900 photo thread posts...

and yeah, she definately set him up here, no question... he still said it though.

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NBA > NFL

David Stern saved the nba and now has it set up to be one the most followed sports leagues in the world, matching soccer.

NFL has become a bunch of pansies since Goodell. NFL is all about branding.

Rather than battle you on the interpretation of your post, I'll agree 100% with the bolded point above. Stern WAS a progressive thinker, unlike the subject of this thread. Stern realized the international potential (read: business opportunity / revenue) of the NBA when he was approached with the idea of allowing NBA players to compete in the Olympics. The 1992 Dream Team changed everything globally and Stern and the NBA were at the forefront of it, opening offices around the world and actively developing the sport at grassroots levels in many countries. There is no comparison to what the NBA has done for its sport internationally and what the other major US (or int'l) sports leagues have done for their sports.

However, that does not make the NBA > NFL. Participation wise, basketball is much greater than American football internationally and is approaching soccer, but now we're not talking about the NBA and NFL, we're talking about participation in the sport. So, what else is there to compare besides revenue and viewership, both aspects of the "money" discussion.

I believe you confused your point further by saying the NFL is all about branding. What is branding? Why does any company or organization pay any attention to branding? It's about the money, and you're absolutely correct in saying the NFL is all about the money. They have made this point very clear to the people leading the sport's growth and development internationally. They have 5 offices internationally (Canada, Mexico, Japan, London, and China). They opened an office in China before anyone was playing the sport, but have not done near as much as they could to actually develop the sport there. They have focused solely on the business aspect of "growing the game" (i.e. their business). Listen carefully to what Goodell says about the NFL internationally. It's always about growing the NFL brand, not the game. As I've heard NFL executives say, the NFL is not in the business of putting footballs into kid's hands around the globe. Their job is to grow the NFL business and they are very honest about that.

But getting back to participation in sport. Who is really driving it internationally? Should the NBA be credited with all basketball participation globally? That would seriously understate the importance of international sport organizations like the IOC (and their 200+ national Olympic associations putting money into the sport) and FIBA (and their 200+ national basketball federations putting money into the sport). Basketball has the NBA, IOC/NOCs, and FIBA/NFs financially supporting growth and development of grassroots basketball.

What does American football have? The NFL has put about 1% of their annual revenue into international growth (read: business development) and probably 0.000001% into grassroots development. American football was only recently recognized by the IOC, but still not an Olympic sport like basketball, so the investment from IOC is zero and the NOCs only recently approaching the tens of thousands. That leaves IFAF, the equivalent of FIBA, and their annual revenues are ~150,000 EURO.

IMO, David Stern is a more progressive thinker than Goodell when it comes to international sport development, but Goodell has probably done a better job growing the business of his league in a shorter amount of time. Stern is one of the best commissioners in sports history. The book is unwritten on Goodell, but my feeling is he will be highly regarded, but probably not reach the status of Stern unless he does what's right for the sport, not necessarily business, internationally, like Stern did.

So, how about that Donald Sterling guy? Anyone think he's a racist?
 

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This thread title makes me laugh every time the thread gets bumped. Hilarious understatement.
 

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