'12 IN S John Turner (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

Domina Nostra

Well-known member
Messages
6,251
Reaction score
1,388
As predicted... IMO, This move was necessary to get some bodies with the speed to play Will (as opposed to DOG) behind Jaylon.

I don't think he'll Bill up too much. More like 220 than 235.
 
M

Me2SouthBend

Guest
Hopefully this move along w Farley's indicates the staff feeling good about the depth at the Safety position not just the lack of confidence in these 2 in that role.
 

Irish#1

Livin' Your Dream!
Staff member
Messages
44,569
Reaction score
20,019
Yeah, I am not sure the Diaco/BVG change will be as radical as some others on the board seem to think, but it is obvious that BVG is more flexible about using guys at a particular position even if they don't fit the ideal physical profile.

I don't think there will be a lo of changes either. I don't have any first hand knowledge, but I would wager that one of the first things BVG did was start watching tape on every defensive player and then deciding where they best fit given what he has and wants to run. This move is probably a result of that.
 

Old Man Mike

Fast as Lightning!
Messages
8,959
Reaction score
6,451
I have wondered/ wished for this on IE for quite some time. Not only might it open up playing time for John, but mainly because I believe that it is a symbol that the DC sees SPEEEED as the dominant desirable quality of 21st century linebacking rather than brute force, and certainly not mass-for-mass sake.

The underlying "faith" which supports this going-for-speed is that if your Linebacker gets rocked by an OLineman, the rest of your ultra-fast athletic "werewolves" fill the gap and you still make the play. [and this to say nothing about pass-defense.]

The movement of Farley is different of course. The new DC and Bobby Eliott know that they have a superman in Redfield, but need the Safety General to go along beside him. I doubt that anyone views Matthias that way. Collinsworth, yes. Baratti, yes. Perhaps Hardy. Probably not Shumate, as he seems to have some trouble "getting it" General-wise, too. Matthias DOES have great athleticism by the way... he was a good soccer player and very fast. But he's no General, and would be looking uphill at Redfield, Shumate, and Hardy. His best shot to play?: back up Russell, and contend [unsuccessfully ] with Riggs and Luke. {AND the two sophs, who seem to be pretty good}.

But Kelly is a good guy: he's giving a vet a chance.
 

dublinirish

Everestt Gholstonson
Messages
27,308
Reaction score
13,086
From my experience a move from a 3-4 to a 4-3 means some of your OLB's become DE's and your SS's become OLB/Will's. Makes sense for Turner to make the move
 
B

Bogtrotter07

Guest
I have wondered/ wished for this on IE for quite some time. Not only might it open up playing time for John, but mainly because I believe that it is a symbol that the DC sees SPEEEED as the dominant desirable quality of 21st century linebacking rather than brute force, and certainly not mass-for-mass sake.

The underlying "faith" which supports this going-for-speed is that if your Linebacker gets rocked by an OLineman, the rest of your ultra-fast athletic "werewolves" fill the gap and you still make the play. [and this to say nothing about pass-defense.]

The movement of Farley is different of course. The new DC and Bobby Eliott know that they have a superman in Redfield, but need the Safety General to go along beside him. I doubt that anyone views Matthias that way. Collinsworth, yes. Baratti, yes. Perhaps Hardy. Probably not Shumate, as he seems to have some trouble "getting it" General-wise, too. Matthias DOES have great athleticism by the way... he was a good soccer player and very fast. But he's no General, and would be looking uphill at Redfield, Shumate, and Hardy. His best shot to play?: back up Russell, and contend [unsuccessfully ] with Riggs and Luke. {AND the two sophs, who seem to be pretty good}.

But Kelly is a good guy: he's giving a vet a chance.

I think one of the big points from Kelly's PC is that db's have been evaluated in two categories, outside-in or inside out. Not that they have been, but the results.

Surprisingly, Kelly mentioned Riggs as the first that could be both, but then he mentioned Farley as like the number two possibility.
 
B

Bogtrotter07

Guest
I see Farley's move as a benching.
He's further up the depth chart at safety.

That could be one possibility, the other could be building depth with experience, and the third could be specialized personnel packages. With BVG in situations he may use specific players, like some coaches call defensive configurations.
 

kmoose

Banned
Messages
10,298
Reaction score
1,181
That could be one possibility, the other could be building depth with experience, and the third could be specialized personnel packages. With BVG in situations he may use specific players, like some coaches call defensive configurations.

Or it could be just what Kelly said. We all saw Farley take terrible angles last year, trying to tackle in space. Maybe he just simply has something going on between his ears where he takes the correct angles, coming from the outside in, but gets lost going from the inside out.
 

irishfan

Irish Hoops Mod
Messages
7,205
Reaction score
607

ResLife Hero

Well-known member
Messages
6,737
Reaction score
190
Saw on ISD that some players like Jarron Jones and Russell have recently congratulated Turner via social media on being named a starting LB.

I need y'all to follow my bro @jayyt31 ! Our new Starting Outside Linebacker 🍀🍀🍀🍀! Expect | OnInStagram

If this is true, what does it mean for Councell? Is he someone who could see time at WDE or at MLB? Jaylon isn't coming off the field and Turner and JO seem to have the other outside LB spot down.

Damn, that's a nice surprise from Turner. I'd like to see Councell at MLB if this is true. Morgan could use some time to adapt.
 

Redbar

Well-known member
Messages
3,531
Reaction score
806
I respect his ascension from what some called a wasted offer to potentially starting at OLB. You simply can't place a star on what's in someone's head or heart. Bravo John!
 

Ndaccountant

Old Hoss
Messages
8,370
Reaction score
5,771
If true, that means one of two things:

1 - JT needed time to transform as a player and has done an amazing job

or

2 - Our LB depth was porous

Here is hoping to #1.
 

Luckylucci

Administrator
Staff member
Messages
27,769
Reaction score
10,145
Happy for John but I'm going to let Fall practice play out before I label him a starter. In reality all this means is he'll be taking first team reps when camp opens. Not saying he won't keep it but again there's a lot of work to go through before Rice.
 

Emcee77

latress on the men-jay
Messages
7,295
Reaction score
555
Happy for John but I'm going to let Fall practice play out before I label him a starter. In reality all this means is he'll be taking first team reps when camp opens. Not saying he won't keep it but again there's a lot of work to go through before Rice.

Exactly. I'm not convinced that the role of starter isn't up for grabs.

Still, I'm delighted that the staff thinks so much of John at this point, since so many others didn't. I always thought, just based on his high school film, that he had the makings of a good LB.
 

Whiskeyjack

Mittens Margaritas Ante Porcos
Staff member
Messages
20,894
Reaction score
8,126
I had hoped to see Councell starting opposite Smith. Maybe he's getting moved inside; or, more likely, his injury has hampered his competitiveness.
 

Luckylucci

Administrator
Staff member
Messages
27,769
Reaction score
10,145
I had hoped to see Councell starting opposite Smith. Maybe he's getting moved inside; or, more likely, his injury has hampered his competitiveness.

Personally, I don't think some guys like Councell have been given enough of a shot to compete at this stage. Really excited for Turner but think there's still some football to be played before Rice.
 

Redbar

Well-known member
Messages
3,531
Reaction score
806
Unless you are Jaylon, Kev, or Sheldon, maybe a couple others, I don't think the staff is naming starters for Rice. Obviously they are just saying he will open camp as the starting OLB, it is nevertheless a big vote of confidence in John and a promotion from his previous responsibilities. He has placed himself in a position to potentially start at OLB.
 

Luckylucci

Administrator
Staff member
Messages
27,769
Reaction score
10,145
Unless you are Jaylon, Kev, or Sheldon, maybe a couple others, I don't think the staff is naming starters for Rice. Obviously they are just saying he will open camp as the starting OLB, it is nevertheless a big vote of confidence in John and a promotion from his previous responsibilities. He has placed himself in a position to potentially start at OLB.

Exactly and thats all my post was trying to infer. We have some good position battles that will play out and calling Turner our starting SAM LB for the start of camp is nice but not to get carried away. With that said, I can say with some confidence that Jaylon, KR, Sheldon, Jarron, Okwara, Williams, and Redfield are starting come Rice. Thats 7 of 11 players on D. Position battles that will play out. MLB, Sam LB, CB (opposite KR), and SS.
 

Sherm Sticky

The Prophet
Messages
19,321
Reaction score
1,638
Personally, I don't think some guys like Councell have been given enough of a shot to compete at this stage. Really excited for Turner but think there's still some football to be played before Rice.
This is it. Councell missed spring practice, plus a new scheme. I would bet that if Councell wasn't coming of an inury and participated in spring practice he would be taking first team reps during fall camp.
 

Luckylucci

Administrator
Staff member
Messages
27,769
Reaction score
10,145
Listening to the II podcast, Prister singles out Councell as somebody that can be an x-factor in the front 7
 
Messages
666
Reaction score
84
Exactly and thats all my post was trying to infer. We have some good position battles that will play out and calling Turner our starting SAM LB for the start of camp is nice but not to get carried away. With that said, I can say with some confidence that Jaylon, KR, Sheldon, Jarron, Okwara, Williams, and Redfield are starting come Rice. Thats 7 of 11 players on D. Position battles that will play out. MLB, Sam LB, CB (opposite KR), and SS.
Why you haven't included Cody Riggs into this starting defense equation is beyond me. Versatile - can play both corner and safety. How many players have translated forty football games in the Florida secondary into an NFL career? Russell himself, doesn't have this kid's resume playing island corner, and against SEC competition.
 

Luckylucci

Administrator
Staff member
Messages
27,769
Reaction score
10,145
Why you haven't included Cody Riggs into this starting defense equation is beyond me. Versatile - can play both corner and safety. How many players have translated forty football games in the Florida secondary into an NFL career? Russell himself, doesn't have this kid's resume playing island corner, and against SEC competition.

Because I'm not sure where he plays to be honest. I think he's a fantastic football player. However, he could be starting SS, CB, Nickel CB and the first part of my statement I said with confidence and I'm not confident in where he plays. I could see Luke getting the nod opposite KR so he can develop and Riggs getting a lot of run time at Nickel or SS.
 

woolybug25

#1 Vineyard Vines Fan
Messages
17,677
Reaction score
3,018
Because I'm not sure where he plays to be honest. I think he's a fantastic football player. However, he could be starting SS, CB, Nickel CB and the first part of my statement I said with confidence and I'm not confident in where he plays. I could see Luke getting the nod opposite KR so he can develop and Riggs getting a lot of run time at Nickel or SS.

Not that I couldn't see it, but I hope that doesn't happen. Luke very well may be primed for a breakout year, but I have watched a lot of Riggs, and the dude is a big time player. I hope that he starts opposite of KRuss and moves to Nickel CB and Safety situationally. In those situations, Luke will get plenty of time on the field.

It's definitely one of the things I am looking forward to seeing shake out. Good problem for us to have.
 

Irish#1

Livin' Your Dream!
Staff member
Messages
44,569
Reaction score
20,019
Not that I couldn't see it, but I hope that doesn't happen. Luke very well may be primed for a breakout year, but I have watched a lot of Riggs, and the dude is a big time player. I hope that he starts opposite of KRuss and moves to Nickel CB and Safety situationally. In those situations, Luke will get plenty of time on the field.

It's definitely one of the things I am looking forward to seeing shake out. Good problem for us to have.

+1
 

ResLife Hero

Well-known member
Messages
6,737
Reaction score
190
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p>Irish A-to-Z: JohnMichiganTurner <a href="http://t.co/zq9BXjrFQn">http://t.co/zq9BXjrFQn</a></p>— Keith Arnold (@KeithArnold) <a href="https://twitter.com/KeithArnold/statuses/504705458641190913">August 27, 2014</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 

Riddickulous

"That" Guy
Messages
16,866
Reaction score
8,325
Turner might be the one player who benefits most from the new defensive scheme. Probably never would have seen the field on a Diaco defense.
 

ResLife Hero

Well-known member
Messages
6,737
Reaction score
190
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr"><a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/NotreDame?src=hash">#NotreDame</a> S John Turner's mother is dying. You need to read the <a href="https://twitter.com/GreggDoyelStar">@GreggDoyelStar</a> story of how she spent her Saturday <a href="https://t.co/uutOIjl2Y5">https://t.co/uutOIjl2Y5</a></p>— Tyler James (@TJamesNDI) <a href="https://twitter.com/TJamesNDI/status/660845775136624642">November 1, 2015</a></blockquote>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

Incredibly sad for John.
 
Top