'15 CA QB Blake Barnett (Arizona State Transfer)

[Ironman8]

I am not disagreeing. I am just saying this guy is the first guy I've seen who said he would take Barnett over Town and Rosen. The top 3 our.... in whatever order you want to put them in.

Rosen
Town
Barnett

Uhhh what? Our staff at ND went after Barnett over Town. Rosen's dream school in Stanford hasn't even offered him. They offered Town over him.

And, like Lax said, I'd rather have Barnett over either for what BK wants to do. His upside is off the charts in that spread system.

 

[Irish8248]

Just watched Ricky Town's highlights for the first time and wow was that underwhelming. I mean the longest throw he makes in the video is 35yds and the kid is wide open. Besides that play idk if he threw it over 30. I didn't see a single play that made me say "wow" the whole video. Contrast him with Barnett, who not only obviously showed better athleticism, but appears to have a way better arm as well. IDK what USC and Bama see in him but I sure didn't see anything to rave about. Looks like a game manager from that tape. Only thing he has over Barnett is that he is more polished right now.

Ricky Town highlights:
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From that video

Crazy accurate even when under pressure
Knows how to read a defense
Able to move the pocket/ escape the rush
+ Prob a litany of intangible traits

Worst play action pass

 

[BeauBenken]

His Notre Dame cave is catching up to mine already. The perks of being a Notre Dame commit, I guess.

 

[NDPhilly]

From that video

Crazy accurate even when under pressure
Knows how to read a defense
Able to move the pocket/ escape the rush
+ Prob a litany of intangible traits

Worst play action pass

I agree with this but do you really think he has the upside of a #1 QB?

 

[IrishLax]

Rosen runs the spread at Bosco, plus plenty of people said he is the best QB in the country.

I give zero shits that Rosen runs a spread. Barnett and White can both make plays with their legs, Rosen can't. Both White and Barnett are more than good enough throwing the ball to the point where that run threat outweighs a prettier ball.

 

[West Coast Domer]

No way Waller over Town. Waller is a dual threat guy and is a great prospect but he needs to improve his throwing. Rosen IMO is the top guy. He might not be the runner Barnett is but he is the better thrower. He isn't the fastest guy but he does run the ball when needed and will only get better. He had Cal sweats on after a game this year fwiw.

 

[Redbar]

I wish Town happiness at USC or BAMA or wherever he winds up, hope Rosen gets his Stanford offer or settles on UCLA or whatever. We got the best QB in 2015 for what we want to do at ND. He's fairly young in the position has tremendous upside that is just starting to be tapped. He's all in with ND and I am all in with him. Period.

 

[Irish8248]

I agree with this but do you really think he has the upside of a #1 QB?

#1 Overall -- No, up there though. The pinpoint accuracy is pretty impressive
#1 at ND -- Possible, especially if he's a gamer, but id take BB in a heartbeat for ND
#1 Somewhere -- Absolutely

I agree with BB having more upside which is why BB could succeed in either a Pro or Spread whereas Town looks more Pro Iffy spread

 

[NDPhilly]

#1 Overall -- No, up there though. The pinpoint accuracy is pretty impressive
#1 at ND -- Possible, especially if he's a gamer, but id take BB in a heartbeat for ND
#1 Somewhere -- Absolutely

I agree with BB having more upside which is why BB could succeed in either a Pro or Spread whereas Town looks more Pro Iffy spread

I should have specified. I ment #1 QB in the class of 2015. Barnett and Rosen seem miles ahead purely on physical tools to me.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Santiago HS didn't play Etiwanda last season, or the season before that.

Must have been some 7 on 7 thing, because Blake has never played against them.

Haha, had to check with my friend who sent me the original text, and had to read that text again. What he originally texted me was: "I have heard from my guys who coach at Etiwanda that he is ridiculously legit. Best they saw. Great news."

Best they saw, not played against. My mistake. The schools are in the same area (Eriwanda is loaded in basketball...home of Russell Westbrook), so since they play each other in basketball (most my coaching contacts are through bball) and the former coaches did not get along, I assumed they were rivals in football too. Apparently not. I'm going to L.A. this weekend so hopefully I'll hear more about Blake.

 

[Luckylucci]

I give zero shits that Rosen runs a spread. Barnett and White can both make plays with their legs, Rosen can't. Both White and Barnett are more than good enough throwing the ball to the point where that run threat outweighs a prettier ball.

In Rosens highlights he makes a some nice plays with his feet but that athleticism will be eaten up by college players. I agree that what Barnett lacks in passing he more than makes up for with his legs. You can be taught how to be a better passer but you can't teach that athleticism. For what we want we got our guy and that's all I care about. Rosen will be very good some place else.

 

[Irish8248]

Haha, had to check with my friend who sent me the original text, and had to read that text again. What he originally texted me was: "I have heard from my guys who coach at Etiwanda that he is ridiculously legit. Best they saw. Great news."

Best they saw, not played against. My mistake. The schools are in the same area (Eriwanda is loaded in basketball...home of Russell Westbrook), so since they play each other in basketball (most my coaching contacts are through bball) and the former coaches did not get along, I assumed they were rivals in football too. Apparently not. I'm going to L.A. this weekend so hopefully I'll hear more about Blake.

Do these ppl wear glasses? 20/20 vision? How do we even know if they're legit?... Proooove it

 

[West Coast Domer]

Haha, had to check with my friend who sent me the original text, and had to read that text again. What he originally texted me was: "I have heard from my guys who coach at Etiwanda that he is ridiculously legit. Best they saw. Great news."

Best they saw, not played against. My mistake. The schools are in the same area (Eriwanda is loaded in basketball...home of Russell Westbrook), so since they play each other in basketball (most my coaching contacts are through bball) and the former coaches did not get along, I assumed they were rivals in football too. Apparently not. I'm going to L.A. this weekend so hopefully I'll hear more about Blake.

Westbrook went to Leuzinger High School

 

[SaltyND24]

Haha, had to check with my friend who sent me the original text, and had to read that text again. What he originally texted me was: "I have heard from my guys who coach at Etiwanda that he is ridiculously legit. Best they saw. Great news."

Best they saw, not played against. My mistake. The schools are in the same area (Eriwanda is loaded in basketball...home of Russell Westbrook), so since they play each other in basketball (most my coaching contacts are through bball) and the former coaches did not get along, I assumed they were rivals in football too. Apparently not. I'm going to L.A. this weekend so hopefully I'll hear more about Blake.

Darren Collison went to Etiwanda I believe...class of '05...If we had made it to quarters in CIF that year, we would've played against them.

 

[GBdomer]

Rosen might not have Barnett athletic ability but he can still make plays with his feet. So everyone hear likes Barnett over Rosen? I don't but I am beyond happy with having Blake Barnett as our QB. I just think Rosen is more of the elite prospect right now. I think Barnett long term MIGHT turn out to be the better prospect. Either way I would have been thrilled with either Rosen, Barnett and Town but I am extremely happy we got Barnett.

We might be recruiting spread QB's but in the three years BK everyone is wondering where the Cinnci offense is? Are we running the Cinnci offense or the offense we have seen the last three years?

 

[NDinL.A.]

Westbrook went to Leuzinger High School

Jesus H Christ I'm a mess today. Wrong UCLA point guard. I even saw Westbrook play at Leuzinger because I have a coaching friend who lives in Hawthorne and we saw him play when no big school was after him yet. Mother effer. Never type while you're supposed to be watching a show with your wife. I'm gonna go outside and lie in the snow as punishment.

Anyway, from some coaches who would know, supposedly Blake is legit. Whew.

 

[NDinL.A.]

Rosen might not have Barnett athletic ability but he can still make plays with his feet. So everyone hear likes Barnett over Rosen? I don't but I am beyond happy with having Blake Barnett as our QB. I just think Rosen is more of the elite prospect right now. I think Barnett long term MIGHT turn out to be the better prospect. Either way I would have been thrilled with either Rosen, Barnett and Town but I am extremely happy we got Barnett.

We might be recruiting spread QB's but in the three years BK everyone is wondering where the Cinnci offense is? Are we running the Cinnci offense or the offense we have seen the last three years?

I was always a big Rosen fan and was waiting for him to blow up. A former student/player of mine played the last 2 years for SJB so I saw Rosen play as a soph before I moved out here. He's always been my favorite but I'm biased. Also hear he's kinda cocky and not the best teammate, but that could be just jealousy...who knows.

I never even heard of Blake until ND started showing interest. Love his film, but I'm no scout. Love the fact that even though he is known more for his legs, he still won the Elite 11 comp over a true drop-back passer in Town (and plenty others). Love what his QB coach says about him, and what other coaches say about him. Also, Rosen plays with MUCH better talent around him, so that could possibly play a role.

So you're not alone in liking Rosen more than Barnett. I'm going to wait until the summer camp circuit ends AND their senior seasons end before declaring who I think is better. Just for me only, I need to see more, and who will continue to put the work in even after they are committed...

 

[GBdomer]

I was always a big Rosen fan and was waiting for him to blow up. A former student/player of mine played the last 2 years for SJB so I saw Rosen play as a soph before I moved out here. He's always been my favorite but I'm biased. Also hear he's kinda cocky and not the best teammate, but that could be just jealousy...who knows.

I never even heard of Blake until ND started showing interest. Love his film, but I'm no scout. Love the fact that even though he is known more for his legs, he still won the Elite 11 comp over a true drop-back passer in Town (and plenty others). Love what his QB coach says about him, and what other coaches say about him. Also, Rosen plays with MUCH better talent around him, so that could possibly play a role.

So you're not alone in liking Rosen more than Barnett. I'm going to wait until the summer camp circuit ends AND their senior seasons end before declaring who I think is better. Just for me only, I need to see more, and who will continue to put the work in even after they are committed...

Someone pointed out that's why Rosen hasn't been offered by Shaw. That he went to Stanford camp and was ready to commit but his attitude held him back from an offer. Walking around like he was the best and he is IMO but his attitude turned off Shaw.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Looking at all these tapes and not being a qualified tape evaluator of QB talent, I like our whole QB stable, (with Barnett included), over these other three, to the man. Some people have a problem with this or that. Some have a problem with the whole '14 class. But what happened at ND with QB's over the last half dozen years isn't natural, it has cost ND a lot. I like where QB sit through 2016-17.

 

[Irish#1]

Rosen might not have Barnett athletic ability but he can still make plays with his feet. So everyone hear likes Barnett over Rosen? I don't but I am beyond happy with having Blake Barnett as our QB. I just think Rosen is more of the elite prospect right now. I think Barnett long term MIGHT turn out to be the better prospect. Either way I would have been thrilled with either Rosen, Barnett and Town but I am extremely happy we got Barnett.

We might be recruiting spread QB's but in the three years BK everyone is wondering where the Cinnci offense is? Are we running the Cinnci offense or the offense we have seen the last three years?

Of course they do since he committed to the Irish!

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Rosen might not have Barnett athletic ability but he can still make plays with his feet. So everyone hear likes Barnett over Rosen? I don't but I am beyond happy with having Blake Barnett as our QB. I just think Rosen is more of the elite prospect right now. I think Barnett long term MIGHT turn out to be the better prospect. Either way I would have been thrilled with either Rosen, Barnett and Town but I am extremely happy we got Barnett.

We might be recruiting spread QB's but in the three years BK everyone is wondering where the Cinnci offense is? Are we running the Cinnci offense or the offense we have seen the last three years?

Is this an offensive strategy story, or is this a Luck versus Crist story?

 

[koonja]

I just don't see a flaw in Barnett's game, other than his release, but it's not that bad and he's working on it, and whether that work will pay off or not remains to be seen.

Guessing here, because what do I know:

Head: A+
Speed: A -
Arm Strength: A
Accuracy (Not even worth my guess because we only see highlights. I'd factor 'throwing motion' into this portion), but in the camp videos he looks awesome (again, highlights though).

 

[Irish#1]

I just don't see a flaw in Barnett's game, other than his release, but it's not that bad and he's working on it, and whether that work will pay off or not remains to be seen.

Guessing here, because what do I know:

Head: A+
Speed: A -
Arm Strength: A
Accuracy (Not even worth my guess because we only see highlights. I'd factor 'throwing motion' into this portion).

What part of his release don't you like?

 

[koonja]

What part of his release don't you like?

The part everyone else says he needs to work on. Again, I don't think it's that bad, and he might even have fixed it by enrollment time. It could be a bit sped and more compact.

 

[arrowryan]

What part of his release don't you like?

His release is really the only thing that some people have pointed out. I don't really think its that weird of a release, but he's working on it

 

[aubeirish]

Rosen might be more polished right now, but I think BB will be better in every facets by the time he goes to college. The kid seems very determine to become the best he can be and that is very scary considering his potential. He's humble, loves challenging himself and eats and sleeps football. I know I shouldn't get excited about a 16 years old kid, but this one is hard not to. Anyways...

 

[zelezo vlk]

Higher ceiling, more raw. He still has a year of camps and his private QB coach to help him. We got a great prospect.

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[IrishLion]

We might be recruiting spread QB's but in the three years BK everyone is wondering where the Cinnci offense is? Are we running the Cinnci offense or the offense we have seen the last three years?

IMO, the Cincy offense is on its way this year (and for the duration of BK's time at ND). BK didn't have a chance to truly open it up in '10 or '11 with Crist and Rees at the helm. In '12, he finally had his QB to open the offense back up but he didn't because the defense was great and gave Golson the chance to develop without being overwhelmed. Then Golson gets suspended, so we go back to Rees and the offense goes back to BK's watered-down spread.

Now that Golson is back and the defense is a somewhat "unknown," I think BK will have no choice but to open things up in a way that resembles the UC offense more than we have seen yet. It helps that there are anywhere from 6 to 9 pass-catchers that have all shown the ability to be big time weapons too... you can't involve them all without opening things up more.

 

[aubeirish]

^^Well done.

 

[Irish8248]

I'm not sure BK wants the Cincy Offense... aggressive and fast - Yes - but
more about dictating terms and controlling the clock