'15 MI QB Jayru Campbell (WWE Verbal)

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Bogtrotter07 said:
Other than two comments this thread is all about personal prejudices and contains remarkably little information.

I am really getting tired of those that want these kids to be able to avoid the rules at every turn, not help overturn the dysfunction of their disadvantages, and then want to mock them as they publically melt down.

I am not sure which betrays a greater lack of character.
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You mean personal prejudices against kids who punch other players during a post-game handshake or body slam school security guards? From the two videos posted I saw a kid assault two different people. If the guard landed wrong he could have snapped his neck. Spare us your morally superior act.
 
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No, he is actually the son of every "person of color" we don't like.

Irishnuke said:
You mean personal prejudices against kids who punch other players during a post-game handshake or body slam school security guards? From the two videos posted I saw a kid assault two different people. If the guard landed wrong he could have snapped his neck. Spare us your morally superior act.
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See above, potentially. PA ND FAN is a good guy. This just came off wrong. I am not going to judge the intent. I will however comment on the sound.

And specifically, I have been researching some issues like the ones presented in this thread, and some tendencies with public reaction to them. Issues like these push most people outside their comfort zone, so many times reactions are far from logical and fact based, and hit at a very basic emotional level. Therefore, I was talking about other specific reactions.

Locking up a violent offender is logical. And healthy. But promoting a system that creates these beasts, and not doing anything about it except repeating the same old platitudes and half truths, is neither logical, healthy, or moral. Sooner or later someone has to do something worthwhile regarding the situation.

PLEASE NOTE: I do not claim moral superiority, judge your personal motivation, or make a specific judgment about the motivation of any other poster. Were you angry at me when you said "spare us your morally superiority act"? Because then you lose twice. Once for claiming you have the right to judge me and another for your anger at me. I would like to see this problem cleaned up and eliminated as much as anyone on this site.
 
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I actually tend to agree that environment affects how children behave......to a point. I still think that children and young adults have the ability to choose their own paths to an extent. I realize it is way more difficult to become a "bad guy" if you are born into success and the opposite. I have personally encountered many situations where it seems as though the kid has no chance only to see the kid thrive and become a productive member of society. I was really talking about the argument I have heard before, not necesarily here about how you cannot blame the kid because nobody ever told him no or because he didn't grow up with a strong fatherly influence. I understand this all matters, but let us remember that not all in those type situations end up doing awful things. Example from our own team would be Big Lou .
 
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irishtrooper said:
I actually tend to agree that environment affects how children behave......to a point. I still think that children and young adults have the ability to choose their own paths to an extent. I realize it is way more difficult to become a "bad guy" if you are born into success and the opposite. I have personally encountered many situations where it seems as though the kid has no chance only to see the kid thrive and become a productive member of society. I was really talking about the argument I have heard before, not necesarily here about how you cannot blame the kid because nobody ever told him no or because he didn't grow up with a strong fatherly influence. I understand this all matters, but let us remember that not all in those type situations end up doing awful things. Example from our own team would be Big Lou .
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Thank you for acknowledging the complexity of the situation! From your experience do you see or have you witnessed the difference between someone who has real brain damage, those who are under inappropriate societal influence, and those who got caught in a bad situation by their own doing, character shortcoming, (eg., hubris)!
 
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The sad thing is that this kid and the one in the video from Omaha appear to have parents that don't care.
 
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IrishLion10 said:
Oh give it a break Bogs. This kid has issues, whether he's white, black, brown or orange.
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Thank you! Then why were there successive comments from being Will Smith, Brittany Grinder, . . . , Barack Obama's child? Why was the first image that of a parent and child?

I really believe that subconsciously everyone sees this a such an issue, that it hits a basic cord beneath reason and logic, beneath love and understanding, down where the tribal and warfare stuff, lies. Ask an anthropologist, or a Biblical scholar; what was among the first mandate of morality recorded? Was it admonishing parents not to put their children that looked and acted different out on rocks for the elements and animals to gen them?

Seriously. What happened to these tribalized bands over thousands of years is they hated everything that didn't fit in. They used irrational images and thoughts to justify savage behavior to purge their groups to make them more homogeneous. This is the beginning of what we would call law, isn't it? But without the moral element.

Fast forward to today. Now we have all this information, most of which is less than twenty years old! We should use it to make major changes for the betterment of mankind, shouldn't we?
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
Then why were there successive comments from being Will Smith, Brittany Grinder, . . . , Barack Obama's child? Why was the first image that of a parent and child?
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Probably because he really does look like Will Smith with Brittany Griner's hair lol. I can't speak for the Obama comment though. Maybe a poorly-timed "thanks a lot Obama" joke?
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
Thank you! Then why were there successive comments from being Will Smith, Brittany Grinder, . . . , Barack Obama's child? Why was the first image that of a parent and child?

I really believe that subconsciously everyone sees this a such an issue, that it hits a basic cord beneath reason and logic, beneath love and understanding, down where the tribal and warfare stuff, lies. Ask an anthropologist, or a Biblical scholar; what was among the first mandate of morality recorded? Was it admonishing parents not to put their children that looked and acted different out on rocks for the elements and animals to gen them?

Seriously. What happened to these tribalized bands over thousands of years is they hated everything that didn't fit in. They used irrational images and thoughts to justify savage behavior to purge their groups to make them more homogeneous. This is the beginning of what we would call law, isn't it? But without the moral element.

Fast forward to today. Now we have all this information, most of which is less than twenty years old! We should use it to make major changes for the betterment of mankind, shouldn't we?
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At what point does people not be accountable for their actions? I don't care what type of environment this guys comes from. Society has rules. He broke them by assaulting two people. Maybe if he would have had his butt tore up as a child he would not act this way. But to make excuses for his actions, or to turn it in to something other than what it really is, well.. is quite frankly BS.
 
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T Town Tommy said:
At what point does people not be accountable for their actions? I don't care what type of environment this guys comes from. Society has rules. He broke them by assaulting two people. Maybe if he would have had his butt tore up as a child he would not act this way. But to make excuses for his actions, or to turn it in to something other than what it really is, well.. is quite frankly BS.
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Exactly. There where 100ish other players walking through that handshake, all coming from similar homes geographically. Only one decided to punch an opponent in the face. Seems to me to be more of an individual issue rather than a culture issue.
 
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Irish#1 said:
The sad thing is that this kid and the one in the video from Omaha appear to have parents that don't care.
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How can you possibly even come close to knowing anything about what these children's parent's do and don't do or how much they care and in what manner care is displayed? A couple of youtube videos? I hope to god I am not judged on a 30 second youtube video.
 
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Bogtrotter07 said:
Thank you for acknowledging the complexity of the situation! From your experience do you see or have you witnessed the difference between someone who has real brain damage, those who are under inappropriate societal influence, and those who got caught in a bad situation by their own doing, character shortcoming, (eg., hubris)!
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Yes, some can't get out of their own way when it comes to trouble. I have interacted numerous times with a family that has two boys (brothers) very close to the same age. The intelligence level is close and their upbringing was the same as far as opportunities and such. One is a guy that has a full time job and is able to even be a member of the local volunteer fire dept. He is not a perfect guy, but has made himself into a productive member of society. The other is the worst kind of guy. A criminal in every sense of the word... Stealing from his own family to buy weed, breaking into a school and stealing computers, hitting a fellow criminal in the head with a large glass ashtray causing permanent damage, lying and cheating at every turn. My argument for these two: same environment (even similar friends) yet completely different results. One guy deided to take the easy shortcut at every turn and due to our very weak punishment system, he has had no positive impact on any life. They have tried every punishment short of actual real jail time including probation, drug court and other measures meant to give him a reason to keep his nose clean yet he continues this path. I take my opinions from personal experience and my views have changed over the years with that experiende. I am not saying others are wrong, I just think its very easy to say that the system is broken and something else needs to be done. I have seen most of the "positive" forms of punishment and they are quite ineffective. Most enrolled in these other forms of punishment just game the system and continue their ways. I don't have the perfect answer, but I don't pretend to either.
 
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Why the hell would you make yourself look that way??? good lord.

anyway, even for IE this thread gets a gold medal for, "never saw this turn coming"
 
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ACamp1900 said:
Why the hell would you make yourself look that way??? good lord.

anyway, even for IE this thread gets a gold medal for, "never saw this turn coming"
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Yes, similarly I dislike Dick Sherman because he is an asshole not because he has black skin. This guy is a mess and he happens to have black skin.
 
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irishtrooper said:
Yes, similarly I dislike Dick Sherman because he is an asshole not because he has black skin. This guy is a mess and he happens to have black skin.
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Why did you quote me for this post?? lol... I have no clue how your post ties to mine.
 
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irishtrooper said:
Apologies, I inferred you were speaking of how some have seemed to make this a race issue.
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My first sentence was in response to that"thing" cack posted just before my post. The second sentence was in reference to the last few pages in general, including but not limited to this race garbage...

no apologies needed, it can be hard on a message board, I was just confused why you posted what you did while quoting me.
 
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It is a Trayvon Martin reference because Obama said that Trayvon could have been his son.
 
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Sadly, the only way to truly rectify these types of things is to prohibit people from procreating. You can't rectify an entire "system" where unfit adults become responsible for children. There's no realistic way to fully right the ship. People in crappy environments are going to continue to have children, and those children are going to continue to be at a disadvantage from the start.
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I am thoroughly confused how this incident became about race

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Because Bogtrotter wanted to show us how enlightened and progressive he was, relative to the cretin masses who found a HS student that assaults security guards and starts fights in handshake lines to be worthy of jokes/derision. Obviously, everyone who found the need to make jokes or comments about either the individual or his uncouth action is a frothing racist. The only appropriate reaction on an internet message board was sympathy for the environmental factors that clearly led to such actions. Really, Jayru is the victim.
 
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T Town Tommy said:
It starts with the home. And people having kids when they should be worried about getting an education first and then a job and then a family. The moral decay of our society is a direct reflection of those who have taken the sanctity of the family and tore it apart for the "greater good." And those very same people are now asking us to clean it up?

Sorry... but the welfare state we now live in drives me crazy. I'll hang up and listen....
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There are sililarities between your post and kicking an ant-hill (or Bee's nest) but I agree with you 100% TT Tommy.
 
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