'15 CA QB Blake Barnett (Arizona State Transfer)

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So he would have spent all of that time training and not going to JuCo, readmitting to Notre Dame, and skip graduating in order to take a shot at the NFL?

I know this is just your opinion, and everyone has their right to an opinion, but I think this is crazy talk.

If he has a breakout year next season, with 22 years old by the time of the draft, with a weak group of QB's and a good draft stock, i think he can leave to the NFL. I do not see nothing crazy about it. Just a possible scenario, i'm confident that he will be one of the better QB's in the country next year. He is undersized and all of that but i think he has NFL talent in his arm.
 

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Hahaha Golson through for a total of 12 TDS last year. Took this year off and now might leave early?Unless he packs on 30 pounds, grows 4 inches and puts his Super Man cape on I don't see any of those things happening. I love Everett Golson and can't wait to see him sling it all over the place next year but I would be shocked if he was even drafted....ever. 6'0,5'11 QBs just don't get drafted.
 

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If he has a breakout year next season, with 22 years old by the time of the draft, with a weak group of QB's and a good draft stock, i think he can leave to the NFL. I do not see nothing crazy about it. Just a possible scenario, i'm confident that he will be one of the better QB's in the country next year. He is undersized and all of that but i think he has NFL talent in his arm.

If that is all he wanted, he would have went JuCo last year and came back to a school like Houston that lets him throw 50 times a game. He wouldn't have went through all of the trouble of readmitting to Notre Dame if he didn't want to graduate. He has even said specifically that he wants to graduate.

Also, as GB pointed out, '6 QB's don't get drafted high. Period. Russell Wilson was the 12th pick of the third round. He had several years of elite play in college. I really see no possible way that Golson would go back on everything he has said and worked for, just to get drafted in mid to late rounds (in best case scenario). Doesn't make any logical sense.
 

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Hahaha Golson through for a total of 12 TDS last year. Took this year off and now might leave early?Unless he packs on 30 pounds, grows 4 inches and puts his Super Man cape on I don't see any of those things happening. I love Everett Golson and can't wait to see him sling it all over the place next year but I would be shocked if he was even drafted....ever. 6'0,5'11 QBs just don't get drafted.

Russell Wilson says hi.
 

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Golson stays and graduates at ND.
IF Blake chooses ND, he will not start as a true frosh.

Take those two things to the bank. Can't believe this is even being discussed...
 

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Hahaha Golson through for a total of 12 TDS last year. Took this year off and now might leave early?Unless he packs on 30 pounds, grows 4 inches and puts his Super Man cape on I don't see any of those things happening. I love Everett Golson and can't wait to see him sling it all over the place next year but I would be shocked if he was even drafted....ever. 6'0,5'11 QBs just don't get drafted.

Wilson was selected by the Seahawks with the 12th pick in the third round (75th overall) of the 2012 NFL Draft.[2]

His height, measured by NFL scouting combine officials at 5-foot-10 and five-eighths of an inch, doesn't measure up to long-established league standards

BUT i know what you are getting at...NOT typical...one thing that is a major plus is that he has large hands...and that is one of the downfalls of being smaller in height that you typically have smaller hands

oh but i do NOT think he would leave early or what was the point in coming back to ND??
 

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Russell Wilson says hi.

Ok there are a few. Every blind squirrel finds a nut. Russell Wilson was also light years ahead of Golson as a player and a team leader at this point. If Golson turns out like Wilson as a teammate and a QB I would be suprised

I'm not bashing Golson at all. Not a bigger Golson fan then me but people talking about him leaving early I would love to talk to you about that. He was benched how many times last year? Only 12 TDS. Didn't play this year at all. Why do you think he would leave early for any reason? I don't see a Darron Thomas scenario.
 
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If that is all he wanted, he would have went JuCo last year and came back to a school like Houston that lets him throw 50 times a game. He wouldn't have went through all of the trouble of readmitting to Notre Dame if he didn't want to graduate. He has even said specifically that he wants to graduate.

Also, as GB pointed out, '6 QB's don't get drafted high. Period. Russell Wilson was the 12th pick of the third round. He had several years of elite play in college. I really see no possible way that Golson would go back on everything he has said and worked for, just to get drafted in mid to late rounds (in best case scenario). Doesn't make any logical sense.

Wilson was selected by the Seahawks with the 12th pick in the third round (75th overall) of the 2012 NFL Draft.[2]

His height, measured by NFL scouting combine officials at 5-foot-10 and five-eighths of an inch, doesn't measure up to long-established league standards

BUT i know what you are getting at...NOT typical...one thing that is a major plus is that he has large hands...and that is one of the downfalls of being smaller in height that you typically have smaller hands

oh but i do NOT think he would leave early or what was the point in coming back to ND??
:cheers:
 

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That'd be both a dumb decision and a huge amount of disrespect towards Notre Dame. Regardless, no NFL franchise is drafting a 6' QB who only had one great season.

Bingo. Look at Drew Brees and how he tore things up. He didn't go until the 32nd pick in the second round.
 

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Wilson was selected by the Seahawks with the 12th pick in the third round (75th overall) of the 2012 NFL Draft.[2]

His height, measured by NFL scouting combine officials at 5-foot-10 and five-eighths of an inch, doesn't measure up to long-established league standards

BUT i know what you are getting at...NOT typical...one thing that is a major plus is that he has large hands...and that is one of the downfalls of being smaller in height that you typically have smaller hands

oh but i do NOT think he would leave early or what was the point in coming back to ND??

What size show does he wear? lol
 

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Ok there are a few. Every blind squirrel finds a nut. Russell Wilson was also light years ahead of Golson as a player and a team leader at this point. If Golson turns out like Wilson as a teammate and a QB I would be suprised

I'm not bashing Golson at all. Not a bigger Golson fan then me but people talking about him leaving early I would love to talk to you about that. He was benched how many times last year? Only 12 TDS. Didn't play this year at all. Why do you think he would leave early for any reason? I don't see a Darron Thomas scenario.

I highly doubt he'd leave after one year as well, however you can't deny he doesn't have the tools; hands, arm, elusiveness to be wanted by NFL teams at some point. The only true weakness he has right now is inexperience.

I also don't knock him for getting pulled early last year as most of that is attributed to inexperience and a lack of confidence. He was a completely different guy at the end of 2012. Im expecting big things in '14 from him.
 

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Ok there are a few. Every blind squirrel finds a nut. Russell Wilson was also light years ahead of Golson as a player and a team leader at this point. If Golson turns out like Wilson as a teammate and a QB I would be suprised

I'm not bashing Golson at all. Not a bigger Golson fan then me but one person talking about him leaving early I would love to talk to you about that. He was benched how many times last year? Only 12 TDS. Didn't play this year at all. Why do you think he would leave early for any reason? I don't see a Darron Thomas scenario.


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Russell Wilson says hi.

Russel Wilson also had a higher QBR than Luck did coming out and was still a 3rd rounder. Golson would have to pull an insane season to have a chance of even getting drafted. It's easy to forget how many quality players (especially QBs) don't get drafted.
 

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Russel Wilson also had a higher QBR than Luck did coming out and was still a 3rd rounder. Golson would have to pull an insane season to have a chance of even getting drafted. It's easy to forget how many quality players (especially QBs) don't get drafted.

I know we're making the same point, but the problem with this comparison is that you're taking only the players' potential when healthy into account. An NFL team can only afford to carry one proven QB at a time, they simply cost too much. Drop-back passers don't take the beating and suffer the injuries that running QBs do. The read-option craze was ended not because people figured out how to defend it, but because NFL DC's knew they could force teams to stop using it simply by hitting the qb as hard as possible every single time they ran the read option. It's economics, not football. To be a good investment, you have to stay healthy, and to stay healthy, you have to be able to pass from the pocket at a high level.

The NFL doesn't have much of a market for guys with Golson's skillset, because he's not a proven pocket passer. Regardless of their other abilities, the NFL's valuation of QB's begins and pretty much ends with their pocket passing potential.

Again, we're agreeing on where Golson would go, sorry to bust your balls.
 

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If Golson does indeed return he's most likely only going to have 1 season left to play as he needs to be in grad school to get that 5th year.

Remember athletes have 5 years to play 4 seasons unless they get special permission for religion like the Mormons do get to go on there 2 year mission and on top of that ND has it's own rule of needing to be in grad school to get that redshirt year back.

So with Golson has already used up 3 years whether he was in school or not the clock is running plus he's missed summer semesters and obviously this semester to go along with the fact that who know how many credits he lost last spring when he got caught cheating?

The point is that I don't think that he's going to have the time to make up the classes needed to play beyond next season at ND because he won't have the credits to graduate so he can go to grad schools and get his 5th year of eligibility back.
 

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The point is that I don't think that he's going to have the time to make up the classes needed to play beyond next season at ND because he won't have the credits to graduate so he can go to grad schools and get his 5th year of eligibility back.

Admissions won't let him back in unless he'll be able to graduate on time. All signs indicate that he's going to get back in. Therefore, I'm not worried.
 

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Admissions won't let him back in unless he'll be able to graduate on time. All signs indicate that he's going to get back in. Therefore, I'm not worried.

Yeah, wasn't their some mention of something along the lines of him having taken enough summer credits which will have allowed him to miss the one semester and still potentially graduate on time? I think this was brought up with the QB coach discussion - there was some question as to why he wouldn't take community college classes to stay on pace to graduate on time.
 

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If Golson does indeed return he's most likely only going to have 1 season left to play as he needs to be in grad school to get that 5th year.

Remember athletes have 5 years to play 4 seasons unless they get special permission for religion like the Mormons do get to go on there 2 year mission and on top of that ND has it's own rule of needing to be in grad school to get that redshirt year back.

So with Golson has already used up 3 years whether he was in school or not the clock is running plus he's missed summer semesters and obviously this semester to go along with the fact that who know how many credits he lost last spring when he got caught cheating?

The point is that I don't think that he's going to have the time to make up the classes needed to play beyond next season at ND because he won't have the credits to graduate so he can go to grad schools and get his 5th year of eligibility back.

Somehow I don't think this rule applies when you leave for a semester because you were suspended.
 
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Admissions won't let him back in unless he'll be able to graduate on time. All signs indicate that he's going to get back in. Therefore, I'm not worried.

..but then it brings up the weird situation in 2015 in which someone with academic transgressions gets not only re-admittance to Notre Dame, but admittance a graduate program too.
 

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..but then it brings up the weird situation in 2015 in which someone with academic transgressions gets not only re-admittance to Notre Dame, but admittance a graduate program too.

I'd like to think that once he's paid his dues and regained admittance, it'll all be water under the bridge. Would be a silly double standard if undergraduate Admissions lets him back in, but then the Faculty Board vetoes his grad school app.
 
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I'd like to think that once he's paid his dues and regained admittance, it'll all be water under the bridge. Would be a silly doubt standard if undergraduate Admissions lets him back in, but then the Faculty Board vetoes his grad school app.

And let's be real, I've got a lot more faith in the faculty board than admissions.
 

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Justin Hopkins considers him at least top 3-4 QB in the country, and possibly the best.
 

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Wow, it's pretty legit that Hopkins is the one reporting it because he usually has a west bias. He also knows his QB coach pretty well. This is gonna be exciting.
 

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Funny thing. Steve Wiltfong then edited Hopkin's post to now read "looking very good for the Irish." Lolz.
 

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Kid will beat out Zaire and Kizer as a RS Freshman and start in 2016 after Golson leaves IMO if he chooses ND. Kid is a special talent.
 

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Kid will beat out Zaire and Kizer as a RS Freshman and start in 2016 after Golson leaves IMO if he chooses ND. Kid is a special talent.

Apparently you don't listen to JoJoBlack when he comes around this board
 
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