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3'9 with a 80'' reach...sign me up
'14 WA DT Marcus Griffin
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3'9 with a 80'' reach...sign me up
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Not bad at all, though the depth will still be an issue.
SDE: Williams | Rochell
SDT: Tuitt | Springmann
WDT: Day | Jones
WDE: Okwara | Rabasa?
SLB: Smith | Deeb
MLB: Grace | Moore
WLB: Councell | Schmidt
CB: Russell | Butler
CB: Luke | Watkins
FS: Redfield | Baratti
SS: Shumate | Collinsworth
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NDPhilly, looks nice. But, I don't feel Tuitt is coming back. Too much money at stake. And he has seen the injury possibilities of Kap and Nix. So, I feel no way he is coming back. The other issue is with 2 of the backers--will they be ready for next season with the major leg and knee injuries? And they both had speed issues, and how will rehab and injury decrease their speed. To many "ifs' there IMO.
Deeb is at least healthy.
It will be on the offense to really outscore people. Now, our corners will be better IMO. And I would feel the safeties would too, but Farley and Collingsworth are both back. Will BK unseat them? So, I'd rather see shumate and Max back there.
Out of the box thinking if he didn't get hurt, but Nicky at LB?? Speed, and I just see if he could be real aggressive be a Luke K. type of backer. But, the injury would probably derail that type. If they were looking at Drue that way, not Nicky?
We will see. Maybe, Ishaq will be relied more on next year.
We will see, a lot of fun scenarios.
Deeb is at least healthy.
It will be on the offense to really outscore people. Now, our corners will be better IMO. And I would feel the safeties would too, but Farley and Collingsworth are both back. Will BK unseat them? So, I'd rather see shumate and Max back there.
Out of the box thinking if he didn't get hurt, but Nicky at LB?? Speed, and I just see if he could be real aggressive be a Luke K. type of backer. But, the injury would probably derail that type. If they were looking at Drue that way, not Nicky?
We will see. Maybe, Ishaq will be relied more on next year.
We will see, a lot of fun scenarios.
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Add Springmann, Hounshell, Matuska, Hayes, Trumbetti, Dickerson, Blankenship and I really don't think depth will be a big issue if we are in a 4-3 look. Provided Tuitt comes back
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Regardless of scheme, depth would be my main concern. See Pitt 2013.
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Ishaq has been decent (I was wrong for calling him 'breakout player of the year), Tuitt and Day will be legit, but Okwara has done nothing to show that he'll be any good. Not saying he won't develop, but so far there's no reason to have high expectations of him.
Jaylon will be a stud, but IMO Grace is a very average MLB. Sure, if you run right at him, he will smack you. But get him moving side to side? Game over.
I'm also very unimpressed with Councell. Wasn't he supposed to be fast? Either way, both of these guys are coming off of season ending injuries. Hard to tell where they'll be developmentally. Even if they get back to where they were this year, that's not very good IMO.
We are going to have to score next year.
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Interesting note from Loy: at the NFTC camp in Oregon Griffin went up against Hoge all day, and Griffin picked up MVP honors. Hoge raved to Loy about what a great player Griffin is and told him he would be a great player for ND to pick up.
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I actually watched the video last night on youtube or dailymotion of their reps against each other and Griffin at that camp. The more tape I see of Griffin the better he looks.
NFTC Oregon: DL Marcus Griffin
I love Hoge but he gets owned in a couple of these.
NFTC Oregon: DL Marcus Griffin
I love Hoge but he gets owned in a couple of these.
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Councell has played very well this year. He has held the point of attack and set the edge and done a great job at being consistent. Jaylon gets the snaps bc of his ability to make plays on his athleticism. Some of the plays Jaylon makes are plays that 99% of the outside LBs in the country couldnt make, so its not exactly a good representation of Councell not earning his snaps. I agree that the injury hurts his development, but he has been effective this year.
Okwara has played Cat, Dog, both DEs, Middle Linebacker, and NG. He has got pressure on the QB in the last 3 weeks when he has got consistent PT. I agree there isnt enough film on him, but he has been impressive for what ND is doing with him. A player that has played 6 spots in the front 7 just doesnt have the time to master a craft, but his pass rush has been effective.
Ishaq has had a great year. He might not have sacks, tfl's, but he is the reason others do have sacks and tfl's. He is kinda of like Nix, where the stats are hidden. Ishaq breaks the pocket and forces the Qb out, someone cleans up, or makes the RB/TE stay in to block, thats a win. He was playing great football up to the point he got hurt. He was having just as good of a season as Shembo.
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If you think Councel and Okwara have played very well and Ishaq has been been great, we just have very different definitions of 'well' and 'great'.
And that's ok.
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None of them are a healthy Tuitt. But Ishaq has quietly had a big year collapsing pockets, and Okwara has been all over the ball the last few weeks. Councell is at the very least a solid contributor. You're not going to have All-Americans at every position.
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Ishaq has had a very good season, just not the kind of stuff that shows up on the stat line.
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Loy heard late last night that we probably won't offer him.
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HOPEFULLY that means they like where we stand with someone because if not I don't know if I understand.
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It probably means he wasn't that interested honestly, or perhaps he doesn't have the transcripts.
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I understand those things but it isn't like those have kept us from offering others I guess. The one site reported him with a 3.5 so maybe no foreign language
Why wouldn't we offer this kid? And why did we actively recruit Elam all that time when he had worse grades than Mckenzie? I hope the little interest in this kid means we may be an early leader for one of the monster DT in '15 that can contribute immediately.
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Side note: Same HS as recent Oregon commit, Budda Baker.
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They're quite the NW power year after year.
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He looks like tillery
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Because he is not good enough would be my guess. And Mckenzie are Elam are that good would also be my guess.
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I saw some wheres on here that Diaco didn't like his style.
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There are plenty of reasons, its not like ND can just drop offers bc they crossed someone off their board. You dont know what they have told other recruits, or current players on the team.
Example: Player A is told that they are going to take 4 DL but tell him that number can change if they get an Elite kid. Player A commits. Then the other 3 commit and they have fullfilled 4 man DL class and they are still recruiting 2 elite kids. Both elite kids decide against ND, are you going to break your word to Player A and start recruiting another kid that didnt get an offer from the get go, and during the fall evaluation period? Player A gave his verbal under the assumption 4 was the magic number and understood that ND recruits the elite of the elite, but if ND starts putting out new offers to "non-elite" kids less than 2 months from signing day....thats where trust is broken and decommitments happen.
Also, sometimes the staff is split on offering a kid. Coaches stand up for kids because they think he is worth it and will get the staff that disagrees to buy into him. When coaches leave/promoted/etc that obviously can change.
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That would be good reasoning. HOWEVER, that only works if Notre Dame meets their DL quota. They have not. To this point, ND has ZERO true NG. Matt Dickerson being the only one I'd consider a possible one in the making. This isn't one of those situations. ND whiffed on all of their DT prospects (Holley, Elam and Frazier).