Student-Athlete Majors

[TexasForever]

Wow...Where is a gif of a garbage fire when you need one?

 

[Cackalacky]

 

[notredomer23]

This thread

 

[Grahambo]

Has to be Troll of the Year, no?

Kuehnja a close 2nd?

 

[irishpat183]

Why do you insist on arguing the value of a specific degree, when the subject at hand was the amount of work that goes into getting the ND degrees, compared to the (lack of) effort required to receive some degrees at Michigan?

No, no, no...the point of the post was to bash UM's players for being Kines majors and how trival of a degree plan that was. Then another poster posted ND's players fields of study and I said some of those weren't any better (focusing on the liberal arts degrees).

Then i got to hear "this guy I know with a psych degree" stories from random posters trying to convince me it's a valuable degree field. Then I posted the forbes article that tells you just how "valuable" that degree is to people cutting checks.....because that is what matters. You get educated to get a job to make you money to better your life. You wanna tell me that's "not the point"?? Fine. Then quit taking a paycheck and go live in the woods and write a book about philosophy and how you're one with the universe.

My point was never to bash ND, but to say that ND doesn't have degrees that cater to Football players and then post anthropology majors and try to pass it off as valuable degree plans is hilarious.

 

[irishpat183]

Haha, only Pat can enter a discussion, get absolutely smoked, ignore most of the posts, and then declare victory.

Pat, you've had some doozies, but this is perhaps your worst. Sometimes its OK to admit that you are woefully wrong. Or at least read some more posts before arguing.

Of course I"m wrong...im on an ND fanboard that is full of the same people that think Tommy Rees is a great QB.

It's an ND fanboard. Anything that hints of anti-ND, is wrong.


THat's ok. Because when i argue with my friends down here, I use all of your arguments.

 

[koonja]

Does anyone (whiskey) have a ROI chart on said-majors? I think that would fit nicely in this thread!

I'll start looking now. If you find one, please post.

Edit: 8 worst ROI majors according to this study:

#8 - Sociology
#7 - Fine Arts
#6 - Education
#5 - Religious Studies
#4 - Hospitality/Tourism
#3 - Nutrition (isn't this Kineseology?)
#2 - Psychology
#1 - Communications

 

[stlnd01]

Does anyone (whiskey) have a ROI chart on said-majors? I think that would fit nicely in this thread!

I'll start looking now. If you find one, please post.

That'd be really interesting, though I would imagine it would be hard to find that sort of data for a specific school, especially a smaller private school like Notre Dame. But if anyone can, my money's on Kuehja and Whiskey.

 

[Jason Pham]

No, no, no...the point of the post was to bash UM's players for being Kines majors and how trival of a degree plan that was. Then another poster posted ND's players fields of study and I said some of those weren't any better (focusing on the liberal arts degrees).

Then i got to hear "this guy I know with a psych degree" stories from random posters trying to convince me it's a valuable degree field. Then I posted the forbes article that tells you just how "valuable" that degree is to people cutting checks.....because that is what matters. You get educated to get a job to make you money to better your life. You wanna tell me that's "not the point"?? Fine. Then quit taking a paycheck and go live in the woods and write a book about philosophy and how you're one with the universe.

My point was never to bash ND, but to say that ND doesn't have degrees that cater to Football players and then post anthropology majors and try to pass it off as valuable degree plans is hilarious.

What you think this conversation is about
Liberal arts degrees are valuable

What this conversation is actually about
In addition to being more rigorous than is apparent, a liberal arts degree from Notre Dame is valuable

Why Forbes is meaningless in this conversation
The Forbes article is a description of the aggregate student population and of the norm. Notre Dame liberal arts students are part of the top 1.5% of the student population and are not part of the norm. Therefore, the Forbes article does not adequately describe the position of a Notre Dame liberal arts student. Following your brand of logic, a Harvard Law admit should not attend because an average law student has a tough time finding gainful employment.

These are facts applicable to this conversation

Notre Dame A&L grads of 2012: Only 4% seeking employment as of graduation
Notre Dame Anthropology (for sake of illustration) grads of 2012: Only 2% seeking employment as of graduation (among the employers are Deloitte, the FBI, IBM, Fidelity, and the US DOJ); average salary: $46,923

http://careercenter.nd.edu/assets/104772/final_2012_future_plans.pdf

Notre Dame A&L grads of 2011: Only 1% seeking employment as of graduation
Notre Dame Psychology grads of 2011: Only 1% seeking employment as of graduation (among the employers are Ernst & Young, Google, JP Morgan Chase, US Dept. of State); average salary: $46,668

http://careercenter.nd.edu/assets/69296/2011_future_plans_final.pdf

Notre Dame A&L grads of 2010: Only 3% seeking employment as of graduation
Notre Dame Philosophy grads of 2010: 0% seeking employment as of graduation (among the employers are Accenture, Intel, Sidley Austin, and the US DOJ); average salary: $50,000

http://careercenter.nd.edu/assets/69297/2010_future_plans_final.pdf

8. Should I still apply if I didn’t study business or economics?
Yes – We actively seek to recruit talented people from all academic backgrounds into our university programs and entry level positions.

Goldman Sachs | Students and Graduates - APPLICATION FAQs

Do I need a business background?
While a keen interest in business is critical, a business degree is not. Our business analysts have degrees in many fields, including liberal arts and sciences. In fact, the majority of business analysts have degrees outside of business or economics.

Undergraduates | Careers | McKinsey & Company

The above were facts applicable to this conversation

 

[stlnd01]

Maybe we just close this thread out with Jason's post?

 

[CanadalovesND]

^
As creator of this thread, I concur.

My intentions of this thread were not to belittle other schools and certain degrees, but rather to share how our student-athletes are using their opportunity in regards to their academics.

 

[irishroo]

C'mon man. If you have a point to make, make it. I'm sure you don't mean anything by it, but there's no need to come off the way you're coming off here.

My point is if he didn't go to ND then he has absolutely zero frame of reference for arguing what's a difficult major and what isn't at ND.

 

[Rack Em]

^
As creator of this thread, I concur.

My intentions of this thread were not to belittle other schools and certain degrees, but rather to share how our student-athletes are using their opportunity in regards to their academics.

So you didn't intend for Pat to troll everyone for days on end and deny any value in an ND liberal arts degree? Huh...

 

[notredomer23]

What you think this conversation is about
Liberal arts degrees are valuable

What this conversation is actually about
In addition to being more rigorous than is apparent, a liberal arts degree from Notre Dame is valuable

Why Forbes is meaningless in this conversation
The Forbes article is a description of the aggregate student population and of the norm. Notre Dame liberal arts students are part of the top 1.5% of the student population and are not part of the norm. Therefore, the Forbes article does not adequately describe the position of a Notre Dame liberal arts student. Following your brand of logic, a Harvard Law admit should not attend because an average law student has a tough time finding gainful employment.

These are facts applicable to this conversation

http://careercenter.nd.edu/assets/104772/final_2012_future_plans.pdf

http://careercenter.nd.edu/assets/69296/2011_future_plans_final.pdf

http://careercenter.nd.edu/assets/69297/2010_future_plans_final.pdf

Goldman Sachs | Students and Graduates - APPLICATION FAQs
Undergraduates | Careers | McKinsey & Company

The above were facts applicable to this conversation

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[kmoose]

My point is if he didn't go to ND then he has absolutely zero frame of reference for arguing what's a difficult major and what isn't at ND.

That's pretty arrogant. One of my older brothers is an Assistant Director in ND's MBA program, and my neice is a sophomore at ND. Based on my conversations with them, I feel like I could have a very good frame of reference, in regards to the academic rigors of Notre Dame. But I didn't go to ND.

 

[NDinFL]

Nevermind, I shouldn't expect anything else from pat

 

[irishfanjho15]

Of course I"m wrong...im on an ND fanboard that is full of the same people that think Tommy Rees is a great QB.

It's an ND fanboard. Anything that hints of anti-ND, is wrong.


THat's ok. Because when i argue with my friends down here, I use all of your arguments.

Translation: I have nothing of value to add so I act like a little bitch.

 

[NDinFL]

Translation: I have nothing of value to add so I act like a little bitch.

Hahahaha.

You forgot the part about being from Texas!

 

[irishroo]

Interesting...

Auburn Athletics Convinced The School To Preserve Its Athlete Major