Is this a case of "Bullying"??

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ACamp1900 said:
This is CLEARLY bullying and you guys are freaking insane… seriously, these two grown adults taking out their frustration and anger by going after a team of kids like this?? Just because the kids did something well?... How is this NOT bullying?
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This is funny! Anyway, getting a good beat down from time to time is good for everyone. It's not supposed to feel good...just like medicine isn't supposed to taste good.
 
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Only on Irish Envy can we take an issue where everybody agrees and turn it into a raging storm of controversy, lol.
 
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Speaking of beat downs, when I was playing baseball in 8th grade my team lost 46-2. Yep you read that right.
 
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palinurus said:
Only on Irish Envy can we take an issue where everybody agrees and turn it into a raging storm of controversy, lol.
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No.

How stupid are you... I am smart because I say so on a message board... I earned my MBA from Harvard eight years ago... Your simple mind can't comprehend... What are we talking about?? I win.
 
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IrishLion10 said:
There are always going to be bullies. The difference is that these days, parents don't tell kids to stand up for themselves, thus ingraining them with the mentality that they are strong enough to deal with things. They simply teach the kid that bullying is wrong, but they don't prepare the kid for when it happens anyway.
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I agree...I have always told my kids to stand up for themselves...my question is...what do they do to them in school to make them so terrified to do so? Well I kinda know...

Case in point...I have two daughters...and they fight each other dirtier than I ever fought my brother...just mean. I've taken to jotting their insults down so I can use them on my adult friends...again...mean. But its like they walk through the front door of the school, and they become little victim drones. I'd hear them talking about school, and it blew my mind the sh!t they would take...So the bottom line is there is an entire economy and culture in schools dedicated to good citizenship...and if you earn/retain enough good citizenship tickets you get a field trip at the end of each quarter...and they make a big deal out of it. So my kids would take crap from a bully no one would control, and actually trade defending themselves to defend their citizenship cred. and tickets for some dumb a$$ field trip...SO, in order for kids to be normal kids, you gotta find a stronger bribe...:). So far its cost me couple pairs of sandles, new hoops shoes, a couple of visits to school, and a couple afternoons of detention...as well as a couple day trips to the cabin when other "good kids" were on a field trip...I do have some funny stories about bloodied boys, and how surprised and disappointed the adults are in a kid who defends herself...SMH.

When I was in school, the phys ed teacher would put gloves on you and throw you in the middle of the class and let you duke it out if you got into it. What you found out in a hurry is, 1) conflict resolution skills, 2) the act of physically defending yourself is ...wait for it...HEALTHY from a mental perspective....even if you get your a$$ kicked....I think there would be less cyber bully crap if the potential to get the device shoved up your a$$ in person was REAL...and adults applauded such activity.

My heart bleeds for kids who off themselves, or develop disorders from constant fear...doesn't have to be that way if someone would tell them that defending themselves is loving themselves, and that is more important than tokens of "good behavior", and I wish someone would tell them a shiner and some blood are worth what you are fighting for...
 
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phgreek said:
Case in point...I have two daughters...and they fight each other dirtier than I ever fought my brother...just mean. I've taken to jotting their insults down so I can use them on my adult friends...again...mean. But its like they walk through the front door of the school, and they become little victim drones. I'd hear them talking about school, and it blew my mind the sh!t they would take...So the bottom line is there is an entire economy and culture in schools dedicated to good citizenship...and if you earn/retain enough good citizenship tickets you get a field trip at the end of each quarter...and they make a big deal out of it. So my kids would take crap from a bully no one would control, and actually trade defending themselves to defend their citizenship cred. and tickets for some dumb a$$ field trip...
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Would you mind passing these along to me?

But, seriously, when I was in school, many many years ago, the nuns didn't care who was right or wrong; fight and you were in the principal's office. I thought then and think now -- and thank God my old man thought at the time -- that this is dumb as hell. If you want the strong to defend the weak, you need to figure out when someone is being a bully and when they are defending themselves or the weak. My dad would come in and say to Sr. Whatever, Principal: "If my son started it, punish him here, and I will punish him worse at home. If he was defending himself or someone else getting bullied, you can punish him here, but I'll shake his hand when we walk out that door. You can teach a man to "turn the other cheek," but a man only has two cheeks."

From everything I hear from parents with little kids in grade school, school administrators are worried to death about lawsuits, public criticism and how they'll be perceived by their administrative peers, and so have zero tolerance. Kids are betwixt and between; they are afraid to defend themselves, afraid to join with others to defend themselves, AND afraid of being bullied and made a social outcast, with no acceptable remedy. Talk about causes of insecurity and emotional turmoil.
 
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palinurus said:
Would you mind passing these along to me?

But, seriously, when I was in school, many many years ago, the nuns didn't care who was right or wrong; fight and you were in the principal's office. I thought then and think now -- and thank God my old man thought at the time -- that this is dumb as hell. If you want the strong to defend the weak, you need to figure out when someone is being a bully and when they are defending themselves or the weak. My dad would come in and say to Sr. Whatever, Principal: "If my son started it, punish him here, and I will punish him worse at home. If he was defending himself or someone else getting bullied, you can punish him here, but I'll shake his hand when we walk out that door. You can teach a man to "turn the other cheek," but a man only has two cheeks."
From everything I hear from parents with little kids in grade school, school administrators are worried to death about lawsuits, public criticism and how they'll be perceived by their administrative peers, and so have zero tolerance. Kids are betwixt and between; they are afraid to defend themselves, afraid to join with others to defend themselves, AND afraid of being bullied and made a social outcast, with no acceptable remedy. Talk about causes of insecurity and emotional turmoil.
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Can't wait to use that one!


And to add to your point, most parents of said bullies don't even know their kid is...or they flat out deny it.


"my little Johnny COULD NEVER do that"....
 
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palinurus said:
Would you mind passing these along to me?

But, seriously, when I was in school, many many years ago, the nuns didn't care who was right or wrong; fight and you were in the principal's office. I thought then and think now -- and thank God my old man thought at the time -- that this is dumb as hell. If you want the strong to defend the weak, you need to figure out when someone is being a bully and when they are defending themselves or the weak. My dad would come in and say to Sr. Whatever, Principal: "If my son started it, punish him here, and I will punish him worse at home. If he was defending himself or someone else getting bullied, you can punish him here, but I'll shake his hand when we walk out that door. You can teach a man to "turn the other cheek," but a man only has two cheeks."

From everything I hear from parents with little kids in grade school, school administrators are worried to death about lawsuits, public criticism and how they'll be perceived by their administrative peers, and so have zero tolerance. Kids are betwixt and between; they are afraid to defend themselves, afraid to join with others to defend themselves, AND afraid of being bullied and made a social outcast, with no acceptable remedy. Talk about causes of insecurity and emotional turmoil.
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irishpat183 said:
Can't wait to use that one!


And to add to your point, most parents of said bullies don't even know their kid is...or they flat out deny it.


"my little Johnny COULD NEVER do that"....
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It's interesting because the over-the-top "crack down on bullies" crowd is probably the same bunch who don't believe in punishment. "Crack down on bullies" but rather than dad giving him a good whup on the backside, we should put him in counseling and try to understand how society made him become a bully. Then we'll diagnose and medicate the bully until HE'S the one committing suicide.
 
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I don't know if it's the same crowd... or that it's not honestly... but that is definitely the trend in education, at very least in California where I have worked and trained... bullying, and anyone who reacts violently to bullying, even in desperation self-defense, is in 'serious' trouble with the administration... but 'serious' punishment now really doesn't involve anything other than lost recess or class/in school time... very effective deterrent.
 
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Back to the topic at hand. Was the game an act of bullying? I don't think so. Let the kids learn a few of life's lessons. Screw the participation ribbons.
 
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