'13 FL RB Greg Bryant (R.I.P.)

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IrishJayhawk said:
That's an argument to be made there. :)

Either way, the game was close. No time to break in a true freshman who may or may not know blocking assignments, which essentially makes us completely predictable.
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You mean like running empty sets with Tommy? ;-)

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Yes, I think BK has been too slow to trust the freshman RBs.

Save your counter argument, I already know it "Well what if Tommy gets sacked because they missed a blocking assignment". Then adapt, evolve, take a page out of other successful coaches like Saban and Chip Kelly who have successfully implemented packages for their extremely talented freshman.
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Not just RBs. Maybe I'm off here, but he is slow to trust all Freshman (Jaylon is an exception). Other programs don't wait because they know players who are good enough to start young don't go to most schools for an education, they go to play. We are an education first program and most our players graduate, while at other schools the good ones leave early, don't graduate, and hell probably rarely attend class. I'm all for (most of the time) the players playing when they are ready as opposed to learning on the field. We expect to have most players for all of their eligibility, I'm sure a lot of other programs know they won't.
 
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kuehnja said:
1) Derrick Green is on pace for just over 60 carries. IDK how that is not significant as a freshman.
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kuehnja said:
Since you're such a mathlete, why don't you look at what 23 carries through 5 games equates to throughout a season. Hint, I did it for you above.
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lol, your math is wrong, Sir Newton. Just sayin'...

23 carries / 5 games = 4.6 carries per game
4.6 carries per game x 12 games = 55.2 carries for the season (59.8 carries if you count a bowl game)
 
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Sherm Sticky said:
I still don't understand...The university announced that Greg Bryant is transferring?
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No, but he is.




Irish Insanity said:
Not just RBs. Maybe I'm off here, but he is slow to trust all Freshman (Jaylon is an exception). Other programs don't wait because they know players who are good enough to start young don't go to most schools for an education, they go to play. We are an education first program and most our players graduate, while at other schools the good ones leave early, don't graduate, and hell probably rarely attend class. I'm all for (most of the time) the players playing when they are ready as opposed to learning on the field. We expect to have most players for all of their eligibility, I'm sure a lot of other programs know they won't.
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You can't just throw out Jaylon like he doesn't count. He's not just an exception. He's proof that BK is willing to pay freshmen who are the best option at their position. He's not the only one either. Cole Luke, Corey Robinson, and Steve Elmer have all played meaningful snaps.

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wizards8507 said:
No, but he is.






You can't just throw out Jaylon like he doesn't count. He's not just an exception. He's proof that BK is willing to pay freshmen who are the best option at their position. He's not the only one either. Cole Luke, Corey Robinson, and Steve Elmer have all played meaningful snaps.

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We're paying players now? wtf!
 
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kuehnja said:
Toussant or however you spell it is better than Derrick Green. Toussant is actually a solid RB. Not elite, but solid.

Yes, I think BK has been too slow to trust the freshman RBs.

Save your counter argument, I already know it "Well what if Tommy gets sacked because they missed a blocking assignment". Then adapt, evolve, take a page out of other successful coaches like Saban and Chip Kelly who have successfully implemented packages for their extremely talented freshman.
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Cam McDaniel has been a solid RB. Not elite, but solid. GAIII has also greatly improved this year and has been very solid for us.

If he'd rather be safe then sorry when his job literally depends on winning every single week against legit competition with a physically limited QB and other solid options at RB who have been in the system and understand their responsibilities, that's ok with me. It's up the RB to learn their assignments.

Folston has obviously picked it up / adapted quicker. BK can't learn for GB, nor for Redfield. Once they got it, they will be on the field. BK will play who gives him the best chance to win, I hope you find that indisputable.

Hm. Why can two HCs who rely heavily on their run game implement RUNNINGBACKS quicker than a HC who obviously has preferred to pass? Definitely can't help those said HC's either that they have had good to great QBs throughout recent history at their schools.
 
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You all are nuts...I'll wait till there is an official announcement or if there is one that he is transferring. Till then you all have fun in this thread.
 
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wizards8507 said:
No, but he is.






You can't just throw out Jaylon like he doesn't count. He's not just an exception. He's proof that BK is willing to pay freshmen who are the best option at their position. He's not the only one either. Cole Luke, Corey Robinson, and Steve Elmer have all played meaningful snaps.

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Probably safe to say that Redfield will be added to that list soon. I believe Kinlaw and Butler have seen some time on the field if I'm not mistaken.
 
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Cam McDaniel has been a solid RB. Not elite, but solid. GAIII has also greatly improved this year and has been very solid for us.

If he'd rather be safe then sorry when his job literally depends on winning every single week against legit competition with a physically limited QB and other solid options at RB who have been in the system and understand their responsibilities, that's ok with me. It's up the RB to learn their assignments.

Folston has obviously picked it up / adapted quicker. BK can't learn for GB, nor for Redfield. Once they got it, they will be on the field. BK will play who gives him the best chance to win, I hope you find that indisputable.

Hm. Why can two HCs who rely heavily on their run game implement RUNNINGBACKS quicker than a HC who obviously has preferred to pass? Definitely can't help those said HC's either that they have had good to great QBs throughout recent history at their schools.
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Irish Insanity said:
Not just RBs. Maybe I'm off here, but he is slow to trust all Freshman (Jaylon is an exception). Other programs don't wait because they know players who are good enough to start young don't go to most schools for an education, they go to play. We are an education first program and most our players graduate, while at other schools the good ones leave early, don't graduate, and hell probably rarely attend class. I'm all for (most of the time) the players playing when they are ready as opposed to learning on the field. We expect to have most players for all of their eligibility, I'm sure a lot of other programs know they won't.
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I disagree. Corey Robinson has played a fair amount, Elmer is playing some, obviously Jaylon is playing a lot, Cole Luke is playing a fair amount, along with Rochell. Also Fuller and James. O, and a couple of others. I would say that he makes them beat out the person in front of them, they are not handed playing time, they must earn it.
 
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wizards8507 said:
You can't just throw out Jaylon like he doesn't count. He's not just an exception. He's proof that BK is willing to pay freshmen who are the best option at their position. He's not the only one either. Cole Luke, Corey Robinson, and Steve Elmer have all played meaningful snaps.

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First off BK doesn't pay players. Lol

Second, I agree. That why I said maybe I'm off here because nobody with the exception of Jaylon came to mind for a good amount of playing time.

Third. I still stand by my meaningless tangent that other programs play young athletes sooner because they typically will be there less time.
 
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Is there a way to see how many snaps each freshman have played? (Not counting special teams)
 
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So only close games can be counted towards meaningful reps? Ok, I'll play along.

In an opening game loss to LSU, Deanthony Thomas carried 4 times. 4 carries isn't a ton, but it showed that Chip Kelly either A) Had taught his RB the system fast enough to play him in a game ONE loss, or B) Was smart enough to know that Thomas was a great talent, and that even if he didn't know the whole play book, it was smart for the present but definitely the future to get Thomas integrated early, and he could build on that from then on throughout the year.

You know who was ahead of Thomas? Just LaMichael James. Thomas also had 10 carries later that year in a loss to USC. It goes without saying that these were meaningful reps.

TJ Yeldon last year in a loss to A/M had 10 carries as a true freshman. Meaningful? Lol, obviously.

Guess who was ahead of him? Eddie Lacy.

This isn't just about Greg, either. Why didn't Folston see the field last week? I love Cam, but I'd argue Folston is more complete and has been dynamite in the ~10 touches he's had. Did not see the field against ASU, even though he was coming off of a solid performance in a meaningful game.
 
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TJ Yeldon was a redshirt freshman. Also, though I dont think our offense is that complicated. It is much more complicated than Chip Kelly's offense. I also think if Golson was playing that the offense would be faster and therefore simpler and Byant (if he was healthy) would have seen more reps.
 
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kuehnja said:
So only close games can be counted towards meaningful reps? Ok, I'll play along.

In an opening game loss to LSU, Deanthony Thomas carried 4 times. 4 carries isn't a ton, but it showed that Chip Kelly either A) Had taught his RB the system fast enough to play him in a game ONE loss, or B) Was smart enough to know that Thomas was a great talent, and that even if he didn't know the whole play book, it was smart for the present but definitely the future to get Thomas integrated early.

You know who was ahead of Thomas? Just LaMichael James. Thomas also had 10 carries later that year in a loss to USC. It goes without saying that these were meaningful reps.

TJ Yeldon last year in a loss to A/M had 10 carries as a true freshman. Meaningful? Lol, obviously.

Guess who was ahead of him? Eddie Lacy.

This isn't just about Greg, either. Why didn't Folston see the field last week? I love Cam, but I'd argue Folston is more complete and has been dynamite in the ~10 touches he's had. Did not see the field against ASU, even though he was coming off of a solid performance in a meaningful game.
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Blitz pickup..RB assignments..

I can't anymore..it hurts.
 
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I think freshmen see playing time sooner at other programs because a lot of recruits pick the college that gets them on the field the fastest. I think this is rare for ND recruits, especially now that BK has built significant depth throughout the roster. I'm not saying playing time isn't a factor for a ND kid, but more often than not it's not a primary reason the player picked ND.

Unfortunately, for Greg, it may have been. I imagine the recruiting pitch went something like, "We're losing our two leading rushers and there will be an opportunity to compete right away". Of course that is the truth, but obviously it hasn't played out how Greg would have hoped.

I'm going to stop there though. Too much speculation being thrown around for my liking.
 
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TJ Yeldon was a redshirt freshman. Also, though I dont think our offense is that complicated. It is much more complicated than Chip Kelly's offense. I also think if Golson was playing that the offense would be faster and therefore simpler and Byant (if he was healthy) would have seen more reps.
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TJ Yeldon was a true freshman last year. He's part of the 2012 class:

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Blitz pickup..RB assignments..

I can't anymore..it hurts.
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That's such a simple excuse and no, it can never be proven wrong. But with the ~15 plays Folston has seen so far, name one snap he's been unimpressive in?

Furthermore, name one play you can argue he's made a mistake in?

BK's already been playing him in close games, did those packages tailored to Folston disappear against ASU?
 
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I'm glad you decided to 'played along' with using the functional meaning of the word 'meaningful' in a response haha. That was kind of you to accommodate us.

If you don't see how Bama and Oregon are different offenses built around different vocal points and assignment responsibilities for RBs, then that's fine. Not going to keep going in this argument.

As for Folston, there is already evidence he was confused with his responsibilities during in game action when Tommy audibled. It happened, so I don't know what more you want there. Obviously BK didn't want it to happen again in a big game against a ranked team that blitzed every play in a raucous environment

I made my points, others tried to do the same, and we keep spinning in circles. Agree to disagree buddy.
 
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I will make a prediction that when GB finally gets meaningful reps there will be a collective "what the hello were we waiting for"? Somewhere in his past he was used to run out the clock and protect a lead like Cam does. I don't get it...believe me I'm reading all of your posts trying to understand. Love Cam but he's scares nobody with his power, his cuts, or his speed.
 
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