Players Skipping Alma Mater

[Emcee77]

Serious question - were you an adult during the Davie/Willingham/Weis years? All of them?

I was. And those years were miserable. I didn't have any hope from one year to the next. They were all terrible coaches that did not have any clue on how to build a program, didn't relate to the players or their staff, and left the program in worse shape than when they started. It was depressing to be an Irish fan. I was miserable every Saturday in the fall. I spent Saturdays cheering against tOSU, Michigan, and USC 'cause my team had no clue and no direction.

Yes, things are better now. Way better. During all of the regimes mentioned above, the game Saturday would have been a complete blow out. Down 14-0 after three minutes all of those teams would have quit. This team did not. And the future looks better than the present. I never said that during those twelve miserable years.

Good point, I totally agree re: Willingham and Weis years. We were just terrible. So many games we were just not even in.

I kind of disagree regarding the Davie years. The last two Davie years, 2000 and 2001, actually remind me very much of ND lately ... the defense kept us in games, but the offense was just unable to find itself.

Davie and Greg Mattison had a really tough, well-disciplined defense. There wasn't much talent at CB, which was our undoing in a lot of games, but the real problem was that, after Jarious Jackson left, we just didn't have a QB. Arnaz Battle was an athlete playing QB. Matt LoVecchio was a good game manager in 2000, but lost his job when he lost his ability to take care of the football. Carlyle Holiday was Arnaz Battle all over again ... an athlete, not a QB. It wasn't till Brady Quinn arrived in 2003 that we had a real QB ... and now here we are again, waiting for our Brady Quinn to come along (/return from exile in San Diego).

I posted in another thread that, after Saturday's game, my dad compared this team to the 2000 10-2 Fiesta Bowl team ... solid team, but no QB. LoVecchio just didn't make mistakes that year and let the defense win games for us. This year's a bit like that ... but we've lost two games in part (in large part, with respect to the OU game) because Rees HAS made mistakes.

But anyway the point is a good one ... we are in every game now. Under Weis and Williingham, we would get BLOWN OUT. We were just not a competitive team. I think you have to appreciate that this current regime has the program in pretty good shape compared to the previous two. Whether this staff can get us to the mountaintop remains to be seen. Gotta shore up that QB situation. I do think we are pointed in the right direction though. Next year our QBs are gonna be Golson, Zaire and Kizer. Brave new world.

 

[kmoose]

You guys are really talking out of your a$$ with that sh$t.

You do realize that tons of alumni hate the swaying. They hate the mums. They hate that awful "here come the Irish of Notruh Dame" before the kickoff and all of the pu$$ification of game day.

They want ND to be a bada$$ program again and a stadium atmosphere that celebrates the gladiators on the field, not Muffy and Biff in the stands.

They don't care what this "everybody gets a trophy" generation of students wants. They want their program back. They understand raising the helmets to the student body during the Victory March after winning - the VICTORY MARCH - but don't want the football team swaying after getting their a$$ kicked by Oklahoma, or worse Syracuse, Navy, Air Force etc, to "Notre Dame Our Mother" as a symbol of "community". It literally makes them want to puke.

Thankfully, it looks like the administration agrees. There will be all kinds of whining from the thumb suckers in the current student body. Hopefully ND will weed out their kind and get more students who would rather fight after losing than sway. That's what the friggin' Fighting Irish student body used to be, not a bunch of nerdy,
diaper wearing wimps who need a collective hug after seeing their team getting their a$$ handed to them.

And for the record: As far as I'm concerned the raising of the helmets should only be after winning. When you lose you get your a$$ into the locker room. There is no reason to celebrate anything when you lose. You lose, get your a$$ back to work and raise the helmet when you win. So, they should change the order of the songs after the game back to what it was before that fat a$$ Weis changed it, with the VICTORY MARCH being the first song again.

Second rant over.

And another thing................ you kids quit running across my lawn!!!

 

[Irishman77]

Nvm

 

[kmoose]

I just feel compelled to point out.............. you don't have to stand all game long, to cheer on your team. People can make noise, sitting down, just as well.

 

[DillonHall]

I wish this guy was sitting by me for the game. Ever since the #1 vs #2 FSU game my buddy and I dress in full Leprechaun gear and we go to two games a year. Over the years we've sat next to ladies knitting (yes...that's no lie) and we've sat next to two nuns who were actually reading a book during the game (not the bible). This week we got behind and were trying to fight our way back and when anyone in our section stood up on a third down when we needed a stop, there were people (sitting right next to us) yelling at them to sit down. When I asked them "what gives?" they said that nobody had the right to block somebody else's view and that yelling doesn't help anything. My response was...you sound like you are watching this game in your living room and I wish you were there right now. I want more excitement out of the crowd...when ND travels they can't hear themselves think on the field. We used to be like that even when the stadium was smaller. What the hell happened? Can't stand it. I agree with the Biff's and Buffy statement and I agree that we raise our helmets and sway when we win...period. You want it to be a tradition that we do after every game...then win every game damnit.

You should've punched those people in the nose.

 

[IrishLax]

Thankfully, it looks like the administration agrees. There will be all kinds of whining from the thumb suckers in the current student body. Hopefully ND will weed out their kind and get more students who would rather fight after losing than sway. That's what the friggin' Fighting Irish student body used to be, not a bunch of nerdy,
diaper wearing wimps who need a collective hug after seeing their team getting their a$$ handed to them.

No, the administration decided they couldn't do it any more because the dumb@ss cretin fans you're describing were doing stupid sh*t like throwing crap at players.

If you think singing the alma mater makes a team "soft" or "bad" then you're a complete fool. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with performance on the field. How you can't separate the two is befuddling. And that's the whole point... people were upset at what they perceived to be an unnecessary change.

Problem with the mums? Really? Do the hedges make Georgia soft? Is Clemson slow because they touch a stationary rock? I have no idea what kind of logic you're going for here... it's as if you think that if Notre Dame played in Oakland with a fan base/atmosphere like the Raiders that that would somehow make them better. SMH.

 

[rikkitikki08]

To the people who are saying the players who skipped out of the Alma mater should be suspended you may be the most delusional fans ever....that's just ridiculous

 

[nsideirish]

No, the administration decided they couldn't do it any more because the dumb@ss cretin fans you're describing were doing stupid sh*t like throwing crap at players.

If you think singing the alma mater makes a team "soft" or "bad" then you're a complete fool. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with performance on the field. How you can't separate the two is befuddling. And that's the whole point... people were upset at what they perceived to be an unnecessary change.

Problem with the mums? Really? Do the hedges make Georgia soft? Is Clemson slow because they touch a stationary rock? I have no idea what kind of logic you're going for here... it's as if you think that if Notre Dame played in Oakland with a fan base/atmosphere like the Raiders that that would somehow make them better. SMH.

Reps. Singing the alma mater has NOTHING to do with the whole perceived "pussification" that so many people in this thread are harping on. Sound like typical boomers..."well, back in my day, har, har, har."

Plenty of programs sing their alma mater after a game, win or lose. It isn't a "celebration" song that should only be sung after victories. It is a song connecting the students and alums in the stands with the players. They all share that bond as students or former students. The song is to honor and recognize that bond.

 

[NDohio]

No, the administration decided they couldn't do it any more because the dumb@ss cretin fans you're describing were doing stupid sh*t like throwing crap at players.

If you think singing the alma mater makes a team "soft" or "bad" then you're a complete fool. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with performance on the field. How you can't separate the two is befuddling. And that's the whole point... people were upset at what they perceived to be an unnecessary change.

Problem with the mums? Really? Do the hedges make Georgia soft? Is Clemson slow because they touch a stationary rock? I have no idea what kind of logic you're going for here... it's as if you think that if Notre Dame played in Oakland with a fan base/atmosphere like the Raiders that that would somehow make them better. SMH.

Wait, so you are saying that our fan base jumped to conclusions again?!? The players that left should be suspended!! BK is an idiot for killing our traditions!! What higher up made this stupid policy?!?!

Oh, it was the fans that are at fault? Hmmmm Interesting.

Who will be the first to apologize for their outrageous reaction?

 

[rikkitikki08]

Just to specify, i am 100% ok not singing the Alma Mater after a loss

 

[Booslum31]

Reps. Singing the alma mater has NOTHING to do with the whole perceived "pussification" that so many people in this thread are harping on. Sound like typical boomers..."well, back in my day, har, har, har."

Plenty of programs sing their alma mater after a game, win or lose. It isn't a "celebration" song that should only be sung after victories. It is a song connecting the students and alums in the stands with the players. They all share that bond as students or former students. The song is to honor and recognize that bond.

Wow...usually it's the "greatest generation" taking shots at the boomers. Now the X-gens are piling on. We've got water coming in on all sides now!

 

[nsideirish]

Wow...usually it's the "greatest generation" taking shots at the boomers. Now the X-gens are piling on. We've got water coming in on all sides now!

Haha..the Boomers are always bashing us as the "everyone gets a trophy generation". But, ironically, who are the ones who instilled that policy on us?

 

[koonja]

Random question, but I've watched live and DVR'd every game so far, but every game besides Temple was so ugly that I couldn't get myslef to rewatch any of the other ones, and so I deleted them. Anyone else find themselves doing this? Lol.

 

[Rocket89]

This whole thread though. Wow.

 

[FLDomer]

Random question, but I've watched live and DVR'd every game so far, but every game besides Temple was so ugly that I couldn't get myslef to rewatch any of the other ones, and so I deleted them. Anyone else find themselves doing this? Lol.

Yuuuuup

 

[IrishSteelhead]

This week should be a rowdy crowd. Neutral site games bring out the crazies, which I'm sure is aided by refreshing beer being served in the stadium. The Miami game last year was one of the best gameday experiences I've ever been a part of. The entire city of Chicago was absolutely buzzing all day, and the crowd was ridiculous come kickoff.

 

[swole1]

Random question, but I've watched live and DVR'd every game so far, but every game besides Temple was so ugly that I couldn't get myslef to rewatch any of the other ones, and so I deleted them. Anyone else find themselves doing this? Lol.

Yes Temple included but on the bright side i have more space on my DVR

 

[swole1]

Just to specify, i am 100% ok not singing the Alma Mater after a loss

+1

 

[koonja]

Just to specify, i am 100% ok not singing the Alma Mater after a loss

I am not a Notre Dame Alumn so TIFWIW but I say to the victor goes the spoil. I agree with you.

 

[rikkitikki08]

Singing is the last thing players want to do after being beat, and i don't blame them

 

[fightingirish26]

To the people who are saying the players who skipped out of the Alma mater should be suspended you may be the most delusional fans ever....that's just ridiculous

We also said that before it was known that it was an "order"

 

[Grahambo]

Reps. Singing the alma mater has NOTHING to do with the whole perceived "pussification" that so many people in this thread are harping on. Sound like typical boomers..."well, back in my day, har, har, har."

Plenty of programs sing their alma mater after a game, win or lose. It isn't a "celebration" song that should only be sung after victories. It is a song connecting the students and alums in the stands with the players. They all share that bond as students or former students. The song is to honor and recognize that bond.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong but the "pussification" isn't from the singing of the song but from the fans who are bitching about the team not singing the song.

Again, the issue at hand is singing. Sigh.

 

[nsideirish]

Singing is the last thing players want to do after being beat, and i don't blame them

Then explain why quite a few players defied BK's instructions to go straight to the locker room after a loss and instead ran to their classmates and sang the song with them?

 

[rikkitikki08]

We also said that before it was known that it was an "order"

True, none the less still ridiculous.....i get Notre Dame is Notre Dame and they do things differently but what the hell man, they just got out classed on the football field. I wouldn't want anything to do with it either

 

[rikkitikki08]

Were talkin about singing, singing.....not a game, not a game. Were talkin about singing

Everyone say it in your best Allen Iverson voice

 

[fightingirish26]

True, none the less still ridiculous.....i get Notre Dame is Notre Dame and they do things differently but what the hell man, they just got out classed on the football field. I wouldn't want anything to do with it either

And I'm looking at in a sense that one of my captains just walked straight off the field instead of showing a steady head and leading the younger players by example. If I was a coach, also assuming that the players were supposed to stay on the field which I guess they weren't, i would want to set an example of how players were supposed to act at notre dame. I understand that everybody was upset about the loss, but captains need to show leadership, something this team is seemingly missing. So I wouldn't consider myself delusional thank you very much

 

[Irish Insanity]

I don't feel like reading the last few pages as I assume they are full of bickering. Anything good in there?

 

[rikkitikki08]

And I'm looking at in a sense that one of my captains just walked straight off the field instead of showing a steady head and leading the younger players by example. If I was a coach, also assuming that the players were supposed to stay on the field which I guess they weren't, i would want to set an example of how players were supposed to act at notre dame. I understand that everybody was upset about the loss, but captains need to show leadership, something this team is seemingly missing. So I wouldn't consider myself delusional thank you very much

I never called you delusional, in fact i agree with the lack of leadership aspect to your last post. But if you did genuinely want a player to be suspended for their lack of singing after a loss than you indeed are delusional. The sky is falling crowd who like to find reasons to bitch and complain about everything after a loss are getting stale. Get over it, ND lost....move on and lets hope for a victory next week.... BEAT ASU

 

[fightingirish26]

I never called you delusional, in fact i agree with the lack of leadership aspect to your last post. But if you did genuinely want a player to be suspended for their lack of singing after a loss than you indeed are delusional. The sky is falling crowd who like to find reasons to bitch and complain about everything after a loss are getting stale. Get over it, ND lost....move on and lets hope for a victory next week.... BEAT ASU

I mean a one half suspension or maybe a quarter isn't too bad but it still gets the point across. Golson got suspended a drive for missing a meeting. This is all irrelevant anyway cuz they were technically following orders

 

[WakeUpEchoes]

I don't feel like reading the last few pages as I assume they are full of bickering. Anything good in there?

No. Everyone in this thread is now dumber for having read it. I award everyone no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.