'13 CA S Max Redfield (Notre Dame Signed LOI)

[Damion704]

Max Redfield

 

[IrishinTN]

Sooo, how'd Max do on the depth chart?

 

[BeauBenken]

I just deleted 65 posts...65!

Kuehnja...just stop.

Everyone else, don't use this as an excuse to be annoying. Thanks.

I certainly did not plan to get done coaching a game and come home to this...

 

[cody1smith]

I just deleted 65 posts...65!

Kuehnja...just stop.

Everyone else, don't use this as an excuse to be annoying. Thanks.

I certainly did not plan to get done coaching a game and come home to this...

hmmm, Did I miss something fun?

 

[Cali_domer]

I just deleted 65 posts...65!

Kuehnja...just stop.

Everyone else, don't use this as an excuse to be annoying. Thanks.

I certainly did not plan to get done coaching a game and come home to this...

Wow I kept seeing this thread on top but didn't click. Bummer I feel I've missed something grand.

 

[Calabrese's People]

 

[OCIrish]

Max isn't starting.............well he obviously sucks, then........

 

[Irish#1]

Didn't Kelly also say something like, if a freshman is playing on special teams, it's because Kelly thinks he can crack the rotation at some point thisyear?

Makes sense. You wouldn't burn a 5*'s year of eligibility on ST.

 

[Ironman8]

Makes sense. You wouldn't burn a 5*'s year of eligibility on ST.

Well you would if you thought he was not a 5 year player. Meaning he was talented enough where you thought there was no chance he would use the 5th year even if it was available, much like Nix this year, Cierre last year, etc.

 

[GoldenIsThyFame]

#4 safety per BK. Very close to seeing PTx

 

[KyfightingIrish36]

Playing time?

 

[Cackalacky]

Notre Dame's Redfield starting to push for playing time | CSN Chicago

 

[Luckylucci]

Has nothing to do with right now but Sampson said this week that he would be shocked if Redfield and Shumate aren't our starting safeties next year. Not that his word means more than the staff but a lot of this is pointing to Mathias not playing at a high level right now.

 

[PANDFAN]

Has nothing to do with right now but Sampson said this week that he would be shocked if Redfield and Shumate aren't our starting safeties next year. Not that his word means more than the staff but a lot of this is pointing to Mathias not playing at a high level right now.

Last year he had someone instructing him where to be, and he wasn't the man back there...sometimes i think since he knows more he could be over thinking whereas last year he was just playing

 

[Luckylucci]

I think thats a good assessment. I would add his tackling has been atrocious at times.

 

[PANDFAN]

I think thats a good assessment. I would add his tackling has been atrocious at times.

he had his fair share of missed tackles last year but we also had guys all over so the misses weren't viewed "as bad" ...this year he got trucked by purdue to start and um game was atrocious ....BK sent the message by benching him and glad he came in to get the pick....so far i think shumate has taken a step back but again he just isn't the nickel back so experience for both of them is hampering them...redfield lacks experience as well but his instincts,speed and athleticism is something very excited to see

 

[NDWorld247]

Has nothing to do with right now but Sampson said this week that he would be shocked if Redfield and Shumate aren't our starting safeties next year. Not that his word means more than the staff but a lot of this is pointing to Mathias not playing at a high level right now.

Coming from the guy that predicted Wood starting over Russell this year...

I'm not going to try and predict who will be starting 11 months from now, but our two-deep will most likely include the same four players we have in it right now (Farley, Collinsworth, Shumate and Redfield) and that's a good thing.

 

[NDhoosier]

I dont get it to be honest. Farley was actually pretty good year, especially being so young. I was expecting him to be solid this year and only get better and better throughout his career. While he has not been as bad as some of you make it out to be, he has disappointed in some regards. Anyway, hopefully that good competition at the Safety position only creates 3-4 solid, if not great, safeties in the process.

 

[Old Man Mike]

My assessment {which is worth less than a cup of coffee --- not even at Starbucks}:

1). you need at least one REALLY SMART safety to play good D1 defense;
2). you need two safeties who are "climax tacklers";
3). you need two safeties with good read-&-react instincts.

A]. Last year Zeke was the brains back there just as guys like Harrison, McCarthy, Bruton, Zbikowski et al before him. Zeke's understanding was Matthias' crutch. Matthias STILL doesn't get it well enough, and needs another Zeke.

B]. Shumate isn't it. If anything, he gets the "analysis" part of our safety play even less than Matthias. Having them back there as the two deep doesn't work. The only one, now that Baratti isn't available, who can do a Zeke/Harrison is Austin. Therefore Austin needs to be on the field [and probably NOT being the one blitzing].

C]. Max probably needs his "Zeke" too. He's awfully young to have become a D-QB already. Once Max gets the rest of the pre-snap "fit" and read/react-AND-GO down pat, I would think that he might just move in alongside Austin as our most productive pair. Shumate could still do the nickel.


.... as to next year's safeties [though I'd rather be doing this much further into this season], I would definitely not leave Nicky Baratti out of the equation. He seems to me to be a tough, hard-hitting, athletic, smart [filmroom warrior], type of player who might easily supplant some of these other guys.

 

[aubeirish]

I'm anxious to see what he can do(granted we do actually see him). Personal favourite recruit of 2013.

My guess is there will be a rotation there. We have 4-5 guys that can play back there...

 

[ACamp1900]

I honestly have not had this much hype in my head over a recruit since Manti showed up... I have big expectations of completely shuting down portions of the field and winning national awards... top ten pick.

big expectations... poor kid.

seriously though, really excited about Max, have been for some time.

 

[Domina Nostra]

My assessment {which is worth less than a cup of coffee --- not even at Starbucks}:

1). you need at least one REALLY SMART safety to play good D1 defense;
2). you need two safeties who are "climax tacklers";
3). you need two safeties with good read-&-react instincts.

A]. Last year Zeke was the brains back there just as guys like Harrison, McCarthy, Bruton, Zbikowski et al before him. Zeke's understanding was Matthias' crutch. Matthias STILL doesn't get it well enough, and needs another Zeke.

B]. Shumate isn't it. If anything, he gets the "analysis" part of our safety play even less than Matthias. Having them back there as the two deep doesn't work. The only one, now that Baratti isn't available, who can do a Zeke/Harrison is Austin. Therefore Austin needs to be on the field [and probably NOT being the one blitzing].

C]. Max probably needs his "Zeke" too. He's awfully young to have become a D-QB already. Once Max gets the rest of the pre-snap "fit" and read/react-AND-GO down pat, I would think that he might just move in alongside Austin as our most productive pair. Shumate could still do the nickel.


.... as to next year's safeties [though I'd rather be doing this much further into this season], I would definitely not leave Nicky Baratti out of the equation. He seems to me to be a tough, hard-hitting, athletic, smart [filmroom warrior], type of player who might easily supplant some of these other guys.

That is exactly what I think too. We miss Barratti.

 

[NoJusticeNoPeace]

Has nothing to do with right now but Sampson said this week that he would be shocked if Redfield and Shumate aren't our starting safeties next year. Not that his word means more than the staff but a lot of this is pointing to Mathias not playing at a high level right now.

Farley played a lot less against Sparty than he did in the previous 3 weeks. It should be expected that he'll be passed up by the great recruits.

 

[Bogtrotter07]

Farley played a lot less against Sparty than he did in the previous 3 weeks. It should be expected that he'll be passed up by the great recruits.

"Thus it is written . . ."

 

[TheTurningPoint]

People jumped on me in the spring when I said Farley was limited in his athletic ability to play at a high level at Safety. He can develop into a damn good player, but it will be from being able to use his brains to put himself into a position to make plays and make the plays. Right now...neither is clicking. Alabama didnt base their entire offensive gameplan off Farley as a shot in the dark. Kid is valuable bc he does have experience and can play...but right now his inexperience and weaknesses are showing more than his strengths. Im not going to give up on him but last year ND was able to cover up their weaknesses as a whole with Zeke/Manti being able to be playmakers.

Inexperience is the main contributor to the way the defense has played so far. Grace is coming into his own, and the 3 safeties in rotation as of today have little experience. Collinsworth and Shumate have never played safety in a game before this year, while Farley got a lot of time last year, but wasnt the leader in the secondary. It will come...but its just a matter of getting guys coached up on their mistakes and experience. It takes longer than 4 games to do that.

I mean they are looking to Farley who has started 1 year as a veteran. A little different than a Zeke Motta/Harrison Smith back there. Farley is in a position a year early for that and I think that is part of the reason he is struggling. He has to get everyone in position and then handle his own reads. Sounds simple, but a lot of pressure for someone a year into their career.

They are coming along, maybe not as fast as we all wanted, but theres a lot of guys without a lot of experience out there getting big minutes.

As far as Redfield goes, I have heard he is right on schedule with where the staff wants him. There isnt a huge rush to get him on the field as everyone is healthy, but this is the point where they expected him to start making a move up the depth chart.

Patience!

 

[Irish#1]

People jumped on me in the spring when I said Farley was limited in his athletic ability to play at a high level at Safety. He can develop into a damn good player, but it will be from being able to use his brains to put himself into a position to make plays and make the plays. Right now...neither is clicking. Alabama didnt base their entire offensive gameplan off Farley as a shot in the dark. Kid is valuable bc he does have experience and can play...but right now his inexperience and weaknesses are showing more than his strengths. Im not going to give up on him but last year ND was able to cover up their weaknesses as a whole with Zeke/Manti being able to be playmakers.

Inexperience is the main contributor to the way the defense has played so far. Grace is coming into his own, and the 3 safeties in rotation as of today have little experience. Collinsworth and Shumate have never played safety in a game before this year, while Farley got a lot of time last year, but wasnt the leader in the secondary. It will come...but its just a matter of getting guys coached up on their mistakes and experience. It takes longer than 4 games to do that.

I mean they are looking to Farley who has started 1 year as a veteran. A little different than a Zeke Motta/Harrison Smith back there. Farley is in a position a year early for that and I think that is part of the reason he is struggling. He has to get everyone in position and then handle his own reads. Sounds simple, but a lot of pressure for someone a year into their career.

They are coming along, maybe not as fast as we all wanted, but theres a lot of guys without a lot of experience out there getting big minutes.

As far as Redfield goes, I have heard he is right on schedule with where the staff wants him. There isnt a huge rush to get him on the field as everyone is healthy, but this is the point where they expected him to start making a move up the depth chart.

Patience!

Too many people think that someone should start because they were a 5 star recruit. I've said it in Bryant's thread. Coach speak, "Give me a good group of seniors over a good group of juniors anytime".

 

[Bogtrotter07]

People jumped on me in the spring when I said Farley was limited in his athletic ability to play at a high level at Safety. He can develop into a damn good player, but it will be from being able to use his brains to put himself into a position to make plays and make the plays. Right now...neither is clicking. Alabama didnt base their entire offensive gameplan off Farley as a shot in the dark. Kid is valuable bc he does have experience and can play...but right now his inexperience and weaknesses are showing more than his strengths. Im not going to give up on him but last year ND was able to cover up their weaknesses as a whole with Zeke/Manti being able to be playmakers.

Inexperience is the main contributor to the way the defense has played so far. Grace is coming into his own, and the 3 safeties in rotation as of today have little experience. Collinsworth and Shumate have never played safety in a game before this year, while Farley got a lot of time last year, but wasnt the leader in the secondary. It will come...but its just a matter of getting guys coached up on their mistakes and experience. It takes longer than 4 games to do that.

I mean they are looking to Farley who has started 1 year as a veteran. A little different than a Zeke Motta/Harrison Smith back there. Farley is in a position a year early for that and I think that is part of the reason he is struggling. He has to get everyone in position and then handle his own reads. Sounds simple, but a lot of pressure for someone a year into their career.

They are coming along, maybe not as fast as we all wanted, but theres a lot of guys without a lot of experience out there getting big minutes.

As far as Redfield goes, I have heard he is right on schedule with where the staff wants him. There isnt a huge rush to get him on the field as everyone is healthy, but this is the point where they expected him to start making a move up the depth chart.

Patience!

I was one, my apologies. (I sort of got the same thing back from you on another recruit if you remember.) But what I was stating was surprise, because it didn't look that way on superficially, like Farley was a problem. Also, sometimes the way you say things, you want to avoid controversy and do the right thing, and so you try to soft sell a point. You are in an almost untenable point on this board. However, just come out with it flat, and unemotional, and let it sit. As long as the bias is out, enough of us will back you. Let the flakes fly where they may.

At the top of this page is a quote by NDWorld247, but he is bold in his assertions. No bias. That is the best example I can give. By the way, note his point from last January about Derek Green?

I have a germane question. Did Baratti have the knowledge or a more innate ability. Was his loss felt as a leader, maybe that leader? I don't think he had that much time under his belt, but I believe he has all of the physical gifts, and seems really smart. What do you think?

 

[TheTurningPoint]

I was one, my apologies. (I sort of got the same thing back from you on another recruit if you remember.) But what I was stating was surprise, because it didn't look that way on superficially, like Farley was a problem. Also, sometimes the way you say things, you want to avoid controversy and do the right thing, and so you try to soft sell a point. You are in an almost untenable point on this board. However, just come out with it flat, and unemotional, and let it sit. As long as the bias is out, enough of us will back you. Let the flakes fly where they may.

At the top of this page is a quote by NDWorld247, but he is bold in his assertions. No bias. That is the best example I can give. By the way, note his point from last January about Derek Green?

I have a germane question. Did Baratti have the knowledge or a more innate ability. Was his loss felt as a leader, maybe that leader? I don't think he had that much time under his belt, but I believe he has all of the physical gifts, and seems really smart. What do you think?

Baratti was a huge loss. The kid knows the game inside and out. Sure he would be in a position like Shumate/Collinsworth and have a severe lack of experience. BUT, he played the position all fall and there wasnt a transition of playing nickel role and jumping back into space. He started off in space and working at safety last year.

Its a nature of being comfortable. Playing in space on the back end of the defense does take sometime to get a comfort level at. Shumate played LB in high school, then played as the nickel last fall. Collinsworth did get some time at safety 2 springs ago and got hurt for the year. So he essentially got 15 practices at Safety after playing Nickel in 2011.

Baratti - One season at Safety.
Farley - One season at Safety.
Collinsworth - Equiv of half a season at Safety
Shumate - Half a year at safety
Turner - Never played at Safety in a game
Hardy - Finally healthy in 2013 after struggling with injuries his first 2 years.
Redfield - True Frosh
Badger - transfer

I mean there is zero experience back there, so losing someone like a Baratti is bigger than it really seems on paper.

Personally, I think ND is having growing pains back there. The talent is there. Just getting consistency/experience is the mountain they are climbing. Theres no rush to get Redfield on the field, bc once he gets to the point where he can give quality snaps...he will be there immediately without a "seniority" situation. Stay the path, and good things will turn to shape.

 

[irishff1014]

You have to weeks big guy. Come on and go win this spot outright.

 

[Irish Insanity]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>BK - Max Redfield is close, but he has to get the QB aspect of being a safety down a little but better.</p>— Irish Sports Daily (@ISDUpdate) <a href="https://twitter.com/ISDUpdate/statuses/386920236206653440">October 6, 2013</a></blockquote>
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