'10 IL QB Tommy Rees (Notre Dame Man)

[woolybug25]

So much anger...

 

[ryno 24]

That's gonna leave their DBs in man coverage against our WRs. I'll take that all day long.



Rees registered the 6th highest QBR in the nation against Temple, and you already miss Golson? It's almost like you're operating under some irrational biases here. Almost.

Oh I definitely have a bias and apparently Kelly does as well (not trying to be sarcastic) but there was a reason that he was named the starter last year and this year. The only reason he is not starting right now is because he is really dumb and cheated on a paper/test. But there is no doubt that he is starting this year and putting up huge numbers against Temple.

 

[kmoose]

What's more likely is they will play 8-9 in coverage. In most games Tommy struggled, he had to deal with 8-9 in coverage. We have to find a way to beat that.

Rees audibled into the first play of the game, when Amir Carlisle busted a 45 yard run. Stuff like that will go a long way toward punishing teams that drop 8 or 9.

 

[Cackalacky]

No secret to that. Tommy needs: (1) stay out of 3rd and long; (2) recognize it pre-snap and audible into a run; and/or (3) scramble for 3-5 yards.

Yes, agreed. If he can do that and we can execute the ground game we will be fine offensively.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

No one is calling your opinion retarded, lazy, or uninformed, because we don't agree with it. We're calling your opinion(which, by the way, you didn't initially present as an opinion, but as fact) retarded, lazy, and uninformed because that's what it is. Are you still going to stick by your statement that Rees' first TD pass to Daniels was a duck that the DB could easily have intercepted?

100% That pass could have been easily been picked off by a CB who actually knew how to play. DD was wide open at the start of the throw and ended up slowing down to make the catch, which btw, the defender was then right on top of him at the end.

And to say that I presented my own opinion as fact is bogus. You wanna smell your own sh!t cuz you think it smells like roses, then by all means, but don't try to offer up a scapegoat for your LAZY and RETARDED response!

 

[kmoose]

I don't need numerical stats to form an opinion based on what I saw with my own two eyes. I played football at a D1 level and played with and against some great and terrible players and feel confident enough to form my OWN OPINION based on my OWN EXPERIENCES.

Big F'in deal. Bob Davie coached at the highest level of college football, and I wouldn't put much more than a penny's worth of stock into anything he has to say.

You still haven't answered my question........ are you backing away from your statement that Rees' first TD pass to Daniels was an easy INT, if the DB had just looked up?

 

[woolybug25]

100% That pass could have been easily been picked off by a CB who actually knew how to play. DD was wide open at the start of the throw and ended up slowing down to make the catch, which btw, the defender was then right on top of him at the end.

And to say that I presented my own opinion as fact is bogus. You wanna smell your own sh!t cuz you think it smells like roses, then by all means, but don't try to offer up a scapegoat for your LAZY and RETARDED response!

haha... c'mon... anybody else wonder if this Pat?

 

[PANDFAN]

100% That pass could have been easily been picked off by a CB who actually knew how to play. DD was wide open at the start of the throw and ended up slowing down to make the catch, which btw, the defender was then right on top of him at the end.

And to say that I presented my own opinion as fact is bogus. You wanna smell your own sh!t cuz you think it smells like roses, then by all means, but don't try to offer up a scapegoat for your LAZY and RETARDED response!

Notre Dame vs Temple Game Highlights - YouTube
45second mark....Davaris burned his man and got the inside of the post and Reesus put it where only HIS man could get it...unless the man had go go gadget arms...he wasn't going to get the ball...

 

[ACamp1900]

fun times

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Big F'in deal. Bob Davie coached at the highest level of college football, and I wouldn't put much more than a penny's worth of stock into anything he has to say.

You still haven't answered my question........ are you backing away from your statement that Rees' first TD pass to Daniels was an easy INT, if the DB had just looked up?

I didnt give a rats *** if you put a penny's worth of stock into what I say. I made the comment because I am completly content with my own ability to rate what I saw based on my own experiences, not beacuse I give a sh!t what you think.

 

[PANDFAN]

I didnt give a rats *** if you put a penny's worth of stock into what I say. I made the comment because I am completly content with my own ability to rate what I saw based on my own experiences, not beacuse I give a sh!t what you think.

 

[IrishEyesAreSmiling]

LOUD NOISES

 

[Cackalacky]

Rees audibled into the first play of the game, when Amir Carlisle busted a 45 yard run. Stuff like that will go a long way toward punishing teams that drop 8 or 9.

I agree. Its no secret that I am not a fan of Rees, but I saw this and I hope he can continue taking advantage of it though I think DCs like Mattison will be able to hide their coverages.

 

[Buster Bluth]

A mod telling a poster to find another board, priceless


If you actually read my posts, I said he is servicable and the best we have. His inability to take us to the NCG was my statement



I don't need numerical stats to form an opinion based on what I saw with my own two eyes. I played football at a D1 level and played with and against some great and terrible players and feel confident enough to form my OWN OPINION based on my OWN EXPERIENCES.

If the stats say otherwise, then wouldn't he actually be the 6th best QB in the nation?!? or do you only support numbers when you want to? I am pretty sure you just said




Opinions are opinions exactly for that reason, opinions aren't FACTS. I know you obvioulsy think your opinion is fact, but its really just another opinion on an internet forum.

100% That pass could have been easily been picked off by a CB who actually knew how to play. DD was wide open at the start of the throw and ended up slowing down to make the catch, which btw, the defender was then right on top of him at the end.

And to say that I presented my own opinion as fact is bogus. You wanna smell your own sh!t cuz you think it smells like roses, then by all means, but don't try to offer up a scapegoat for your LAZY and RETARDED response!

I didnt give a rats *** if you put a penny's worth of stock into what I say. I made the comment because I am completly content with my own ability to rate what I saw based on my own experiences, not beacuse I give a sh!t what you think.

 

[ab2cmiller]

100% That pass could have been easily been picked off by a CB who actually knew how to play. DD was wide open at the start of the throw and ended up slowing down to make the catch, which btw, the defender was then right on top of him at the end.

And to say that I presented my own opinion as fact is bogus. You wanna smell your own sh!t cuz you think it smells like roses, then by all means, but don't try to offer up a scapegoat for your LAZY and RETARDED response!

I was sympathetic to most of your arguments. However, I have no clue what you are looking at on this play.

In regards to Tommy, I agree with you that it's to early to tell if Tommy has what it takes to lead us to a NC based off of 1 game against Temple. I think the Michigan game will tell us a lot.

In regards to the "near perfect" game that we are debating, I think Tommy played about as good a game as can be expected. I can only remember 1 or 2 throws that were truly bad. As some have pointed out, even most of the incompletions were pretty good throws. The throw on the run to DD where he almost got his foot down was absolutely a perfect throw. It was incomplete, but it was thrown to about the only spot where DD could catch it but it shows as an incompletion.

 

[STLDomer]

NSIAP:

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[dudesthisisthebest]

I thought Rees looked better than ever on Saturday, but I wasn't sold. I decided to rewatch all of Rees' throws a few times and chart them.

I collected the route, depth, result, receiver and then graded the caliber of the throw.

Here is an explanation of how I graded and I only graded caliber of throw, not result.
A+ - Reserved for throws downfield that are in perfect location against good coverage.
A - Medium throws that beat very tight coverage or accurate targets down the field.
B - Nice throws that pick up first downs or are close but don't beat coverage with the throw.
C - Average throws. Completing screens/short outs/short slants. Or throws in good position down the field that are away from coverage and close to the receiver. Also throws that are broken up by tight coverage with no danger of INT.
D - Missing open receivers not in harms way
F - Missing receivers in harms way
0 - Easy picks for defense

Distributions -
Grades
A+ - 0
A - 2
B - 10
C - 7
D - 3
F - 1
0 - 0

Routes
(9)Go Route - 3
(9BS)Back Shoulder - 2
(19)Wheel - 1
(8)Post - 2
(87)Corner Post - 1
(6)Hitch - 6
(3)Out - 1
(1)Speed Out - 1
(X)Crossing Route - 1
(0)WR screen - 5

Targets:
Daniels - 3-5
Jones - 7-9
Fuller - 0-1
Atkinson - 1-1
Carlisle - 1-1
Niklas - 1-2
Brown - 3-4

7 incompletions were from:
2 Close throws out of bounds
3 Overthrows
1 Drop by TJ
1 Where Daniels pulled up lame

Average Depth of Throw: 11.7 yds


Some thoughts:
Tommy made a living off of the hitches, screens, and blown coverages. He completed only three real contested throws all day. The post to Daniels, the go route that Brown made a play on, and the back shoulder to TJ. That to me says that his decision making was great, but also that Temples defense was bad. He looked very accurate and even though he had 7 incompletions, only three balls were truly off target.

There were some worrisome trends though. The first is that Rees faced almost no pressure all day. Everyone gets worse when they have pressure and Tommy has a particularly bad rep with that, so its tough to make sweeping judgments until we see that. Another reason for concern is that his arm strength hasn't improved. The routes he can throw is limited and those hitches won't be there against good teams. The last concern is the overthrows. Missing high is a cardinal sin for QBs especially over the middle. This has always been a problem of his and if I were a Dcoordinator I'd force him to throw over the middle all day.

Even though the stats were good, I wouldn't call the game anything amazing. His biggest improvement to me was not forcing the ball into coverage and that will be the most important thing for him this year. Lets hope he can keep it up.

 

[ryno 24]

In the beginning of the season. Later in the season Kelly completely trusted Golson. Golson led us to the Oklahoma win. Also, in the Pitt game he replaced Golson until Tommy threw at least one woefully miserable interception. Golson led us back to win that game. Golson also led us to beat USC. If Rees is better than Golson why did he not give the job back to him without Golson leaving.

 

[irishpat183]

I wouldn't say Rees was perfect, but he was about as good as just about any QB against Temple that you can expect. Think of our competition: MSU, USC, UM, Purdue, Pitt, Navy, Stanford, OU, ASU...is there a QB starting for those teams that would have performed better than Tommy if he was inserted into the lineup? Gardner maybe with his feet, but he threw 2 picks against Central Michigan. Hogan for Stanford would probably be the closest one, and he's still a Soph despite playing behind a fantastic OL. I'm betting he'll make some underclassman mistakes this year.

Outside of a guy like Boyd or maybe Bridgewater, I'm gonna bet that Tommy's play at QB this year will be as good or better than most of the QBs in college football this year.

My god........


Tommy is so far down the f**king list it's not even funny. Aarron Murray? Braxton Miller?the guy that smoked us in the NCG last year? Manziel? Mariota?


I'm willing to bet that he plays well, I'm not saying he's the worst, but he's not going to be "better than most of the QB's in college football this year".

that's insane. really.


Again, lets see him over the next few weeks.

 

[ryno 24]

I hope Tommy does great and leads us to success but he would not be the starting qb if Golson was not such an idiot with schoolwork.

 

[ulukinatme]

My god........


Tommy is so far down the f**king list it's not even funny. Aarron Murray? Braxton Miller?the guy that smoked us in the NCG last year? Manziel? Mariota?


I'm willing to bet that he plays well, I'm not saying he's the worst, but he's not going to be "better than most of the QB's in college football this year".

that's insane. really.


Again, lets see him over the next few weeks.

I don't put Tommy at #3 in the country behind just Bridgewater and Boyd. I do put him in the Top 25 though, maybe #25. He's not middle of the pack though or worse.

 

[koonja]

So far, Tommy's been great. That's not saying much, obviously. How about anti-Tommy people give him the benefit of the doubt until Saturday at 11pm. We'll know how good he is then.

If we can run the ball, we'll be really hard to beat, and I like the options we have at RB.

 

[irishpat183]

I don't put Tommy at #3 in the country behind just Bridgewater and Boyd. I do put him in the Top 25 though, maybe #25. He's not middle of the pack though or worse.

He's middle of the pack on a good day. He can't move. Wait til he sees 8-9 in coverage.

I'm not doubting that he can make all the throws (maybe lacks a bit of arm strength) but he's not one of better QB's in CFB. Othewise, he'd be starting QB over the last 2 years. He's simply the guy we had no other choice but to turn too.


He's simply not a big time CFB QB. He's a good back up.

 

[rocket66]

I thought Rees looked better than ever on Saturday, but I wasn't sold. I decided to rewatch all of Rees' throws a few times and chart them.

I collected the route, depth, result, receiver and then graded the caliber of the throw.

What you aren't calculating are the several plays that Rees either checked in or out of called running plays, such as the long Carlisle run on the first play of the game. How many checked plays resulted in positive net gains? That's the invaluable element that Tommy brings to the table that Golson can't hold a candle to.

 

[ryno 24]

Im not anti tommy. But I still believe he is the best backup qb in the country. Ive always thought that and I think with our talent, he can still lead the team to a very good year.

 

[Cackalacky]

My god........


Tommy is so far down the f**king list it's not even funny. Aarron Murray? Braxton Miller?the guy that smoked us in the NCG last year? Manziel? Mariota?


I'm willing to bet that he plays well, I'm not saying he's the worst, but he's not going to be "better than most of the QB's in college football this year".

that's insane. really.


Again, lets see him over the next few weeks.

Pat, I don't think he is comparing TR to every mobile QB. I agree that Tommy played an efficient game but I have my concerns as well (mainly illuminated by dudeisthebest). I will just let this season unfold. TR is the hingepoint for me and I think he is on a short leash. I had flashbacks when he went trotting over to the sidelines and BK showed him 3 fingers meaning they dropped 8 people into coverage and TR did not pick it up.

 

[ulukinatme]

He's middle of the pack on a good day. He can't move. Wait til he sees 8-9 in coverage.

I'm not doubting that he can make all the throws (maybe lacks a bit of arm strength) but he's not one of better QB's in CFB. Othewise, he'd be starting QB over the last 2 years. He's simply the guy we had no other choice but to turn too.


He's simply not a big time CFB QB. He's a good back up.

Oh ye of little faith. Name for me all 60 of the QBs at the FBS level that are better than Tommy "on a good day." I can only name one QB that we face on our schedule that is probably better hands down. The rest of our competitors are on par or worse than Tommy if you're considering all the facets that make a QB. Maxwell? Whittek? Knight? Rob Henry (Who?)

 

[ulukinatme]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>If you ever look down at the field and only see one pair of footprints, thats when <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Reesus&src=hash">#Reesus</a> was carrying the team</p>— Josh Schultz (@josh_schultz24) <a href="https://twitter.com/josh_schultz24/statuses/375425622228480000">September 5, 2013</a></blockquote>
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[ThePiombino]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>If you ever look down at the field and only see one pair of footprints, thats when <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23Reesus&src=hash">#Reesus</a> was carrying the team</p>— Josh Schultz (@josh_schultz24) <a href="https://twitter.com/josh_schultz24/statuses/375425622228480000">September 5, 2013</a></blockquote>
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lmfao

 

[BGIF]

My god........


Tommy is so far down the f**king list it's not even funny. Aarron Murray? Braxton Miller?the guy that smoked us in the NCG last year? Manziel? Mariota?


I'm willing to bet that he plays well, I'm not saying he's the worst, but he's not going to be "better than most of the QB's in college football this year".

that's insane. really.


Again, lets see him over the next few weeks.

Pat, did you watch "the guy that smoked us in the NCG" last weekend? He was 10 23 110 Yds 1TD 1 Int. That's a QB Eff Rating of 89.3.

Yes it was VT and not Temple but this isn't a very good VT team. Still McCarron had the worse day of his career. Off day? Perhaps. But more likely he missed 3 NFL high draft pick OLs that gave him all the time in the world to throw last year. Fluker, Warmack, and Jones had a lot to do with McCarron's success last year. So did a RB named Eddie Lacey that's in the NFL this year. Opposing defenses don't have to fear being gashed as severely by the rushing attack as they did last year.