'10 IL QB Tommy Rees (Notre Dame Man)

[irishpat183]

Again...Temple.


Lets see what he does with the lights on at UofM next week. Then I'll start to give the praize

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Ill probably get beat up on this post but Tommy looked exactly like Tommy (minus the TO's).

His arm strength is no better than before. Ok so he can throw the ball 35 yards, big deal. Those deep balls are DUCKS for any top tier team's secondary. The first TD to DD was so slow that if the CB just looked up he could have picked it.

His mobility is non-existent. If we can keep him protected every play then I think he'll be fine, but god help us if he needs to move...

His decision making is far and away his number one trait (with nothing even close at 2nd). He can read the defenses better then most QB's can, but what worries me here is better teams disguising their coverages and forcing those ducks to be thrown.

I don't hate on Tommy whatsoever, in fact I greatly admire what he has done for ND. I am however, a realist, and I am sorry but my vision see's another 8-5 type year with him at the helm.

I think he'll make a great coach down the road, but god gave physical abilities to some and Tommy Rees was not one of them...

 

[kmoose]

Ill probably get beat up on this post but Tommy looked exactly like Tommy (minus the TO's).

His arm strength is no better than before. Ok so he can throw the ball 35 yards, big deal. Those deep balls are DUCKS for any top tier team's secondary. The first TD to DD was so slow that if the CB just looked up he could have picked it.

You won't get beat up, but only because it's not fair to beat up on a retard. The first TD to Daniels was thrown WAY too far inside for the DB to even have had a CHANCE to pick it.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Ill probably get beat up on this post...

Yes, and you deserve to be.

Read this post by BGIF. If you want to criticize Rees, you'd better be prepared to deal with the objective stats first. My tolerance for this type of handwaving bullsh!t is getting low.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Yes, and you deserve to be.

Read this post by BGIF. If you want to criticize Rees, you'd better be prepared to deal with the objective stats first. My tolerance for this type of handwaving bullsh!t is getting low.

First off, opinions are opinions for a reason, everybody can have one. I respect BGIF's "opinion" and I respect your's, and I respect KMOOSE's (who BTW thinks I am a retard). You all have great respect for Rees, guess what, I do too. But call a spade a spade for crying out loud. Yes he played a good game against a bad defense, but if that was Alabama, that wouldnt happen. He makes outstanding decisions pre-snap and is going to be more than servicable, but the people who think Rees will take us to a National Championship game are seriously drinking the kool-aid.

I don't know why everybody gets all their panties in a bunch for saying what is painfully obvious to everybody who isnt drinking the kool-aid. Listen to Mayock closely, he says the same exact things just with more compassion (which he should since he is a commentator for ND!!) There is no need to sugar coat it, Rees is FAR AND AWAY the best QB on the roster and our best chance to win, but for people to say he was so great and blah blah blah, come on, call it what it was, a good game against a team that couldn't compete in the top 50 of college football. If you all are good with that, so be it.

 

[kmoose]

But call a spade a spade for crying out loud.

I believe that I did just that. Anyone who thinks that Tommy's first touchdown pass to Daniels was a duck, just waiting to be picked off, is obviously either A) biased, or B) retarded.

As you stated, you have no bias against Rees, so the obvious answer to which one you are is B.

 

[Wild Bill]

First off, opinions are opinions for a reason, everybody can have one. I respect BGIF's "opinion" and I respect your's, and I respect KMOOSE's (who BTW thinks I am a retard). You all have great respect for Rees, guess what, I do too. But call a spade a spade for crying out loud. Yes he played a good game against a bad defense, but if that was Alabama, that wouldnt happen. He makes outstanding decisions pre-snap and is going to be more than servicable, but the people who think Rees will take us to a National Championship game are seriously drinking the kool-aid.

I don't know why everybody gets all their panties in a bunch for saying what is painfully obvious to everybody who isnt drinking the kool-aid. Listen to Mayock closely, he says the same exact things just with more compassion (which he should since he is a commentator for ND!!) There is no need to sugar coat it, Rees is FAR AND AWAY the best QB on the roster and our best chance to win, but for people to say he was so great and blah blah blah, come on, call it what it was, a good game against a team that couldn't compete in the top 50 of college football. If you all are good with that, so be it.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

First off, opinions are opinions for a reason, everybody can have one.

No one suggested otherwise. But your opinion sucks.

You all have great respect for Rees, guess what, I do too. But call a spade a spade for crying out loud. Yes he played a good game against a bad defense, but if that was Alabama, that wouldnt happen. He makes outstanding decisions pre-snap and is going to be more than servicable, but the people who think Rees will take us to a National Championship game are seriously drinking the kool-aid.

Who here argued that Rees is going to lead us to a title?

I don't know why everybody gets all their panties in a bunch for saying what is painfully obvious to everybody who isnt drinking the kool-aid. Listen to Mayock closely, he says the same exact things just with more compassion (which he should since he is a commentator for ND!!) There is no need to sugar coat it, Rees is FAR AND AWAY the best QB on the roster and our best chance to win, but for people to say he was so great and blah blah blah, come on, call it what it was, a good game against a team that couldn't compete in the top 50 of college football. If you all are good with that, so be it.

Again, who said "Rees is so great"?

He played a near perfect game against Temple, and he deserves recognition for that. No one has suggested he'd perform similarly against 'Bama.

And let's be clear here. The "I'll probably get beat up for this..." is total bullsh!t. Rees as the "unathletic 3- with a low ceiling" has been the narrative all along, and there are far more ND fans willing to mindlessly parrot that meme than those like BGIF willing to consider his merits objectively. Your opinion isn't a "hot take"; it's a lazy, all-too-common opinion based largely on the 2011 campaign. Which, by the way, was still a remarkable performance for a true sophomore.

So yes, you're entitled to your opinion. But it's lazy and uninformed, so don't expect any plaudits for voicing it here.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Who here argued that Rees is going to lead us to a title?

So we CAN'T win a NC with Rees?!?!

Again, who said "Rees is so great"?

He played a near perfect game against Temple, and he deserves recognition for that. No one has suggested he'd perform similarly against 'Bama..

Really? Near perfect?!?! The expectations by some are clearly low. If that was near perfect, then Tajh Boyd must have been the next coming of Christ...

So yes, you're entitled to your opinion. But it's lazy and uninformed, so don't expect any plaudits for voicing it here.

Lazy and uninformed? Its only uninformed to the people who dont agree with it. You take that game film outside of a ND circle and try to get somebody to applaud the greatness that was "near perfect" and ill show you 10 others who disagree.

People on hear get this kick like their opinion is the only thing that matters and every other person's opinion is "lazy", "retarded", or "uninformed" when they don't agree. Guess what, the people who think that game was NEAR PEFECT, are either severly uninformed, or RETARDED.

 

[woolybug25]

ND Has Risen... you need to chill, homie.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

ND Has Risen... you need to chill, homie.

LOL, I need to chill? Torches and pitchforks a cometh

 

[Whiskeyjack]

Really? Near perfect?!?! The expectations by some are clearly low. If that was near perfect, then Tajh Boyd must have been the next coming of Christ...

"Near perfect" is relative to what one is capable of doing. A great game from AJ McCarron looks a lot different than a great game from Tahj Boyd. Game managers are capable of near perfect games as well.

Lazy and uninformed? Its only uninformed to the people who dont agree with it. You take that game film outside of a ND circle and try to get somebody to applaud the greatness that was "near perfect" and ill show you 10 others who disagree.

People on hear get this kick like their opinion is the only thing that matters and every other person's opinion is "lazy", "retarded", or "uninformed" when they don't agree. Guess what, the people who think that game was NEAR PEFECT, are either severly uninformed, or RETARDED.

Your opinion is uninformed because: (1) it ignores the mountain of objective statistical evidence which shows that, at the very least, Rees is a good QB; and (2) it consists of nothing but emotional hand-waving bullsh!t.

Maybe you think that without a dual-threat playmaker at QB, ND can't hope to beat some of the better defenses on its schedule. Great; go get some stats and make that argument. That's at least plausible.

But making a lazy post about Rees' lack of mobility, arm strength, etc? That sucks. It's been done to death, and the available evidence doesn't support it. So go educate yourself and form a better opinion, and or take this sh!t elsewhere.

 

[ulukinatme]

So we CAN'T win a NC with Rees?!?!



Really? Near perfect?!?! The expectations by some are clearly low. If that was near perfect, then Tajh Boyd must have been the next coming of Christ...



Lazy and uninformed? Its only uninformed to the people who dont agree with it. You take that game film outside of a ND circle and try to get somebody to applaud the greatness that was "near perfect" and ill show you 10 others who disagree.

People on hear get this kick like their opinion is the only thing that matters and every other person's opinion is "lazy", "retarded", or "uninformed" when they don't agree. Guess what, the people who think that game was NEAR PEFECT, are either severly uninformed, or RETARDED.

I wouldn't say Rees was perfect, but he was about as good as just about any QB against Temple that you can expect. Think of our competition: MSU, USC, UM, Purdue, Pitt, Navy, Stanford, OU, ASU...is there a QB starting for those teams that would have performed better than Tommy if he was inserted into the lineup? Gardner maybe with his feet, but he threw 2 picks against Central Michigan. Hogan for Stanford would probably be the closest one, and he's still a Soph despite playing behind a fantastic OL. I'm betting he'll make some underclassman mistakes this year.

Outside of a guy like Boyd or maybe Bridgewater, I'm gonna bet that Tommy's play at QB this year will be as good or better than most of the QBs in college football this year.

 

[ulukinatme]

LOL, I need to chill? Torches and pitchforks a cometh

It's pretty bad when Wooly has to tell you to chill

 

[wizards8507]

First off, opinions are opinions for a reason, everybody can have one. I respect BGIF's "opinion" and I respect your's, and I respect KMOOSE's (who BTW thinks I am a retard). You all have great respect for Rees, guess what, I do too. But call a spade a spade for crying out loud. Yes he played a good game against a bad defense, but if that was Alabama, that wouldnt happen. He makes outstanding decisions pre-snap and is going to be more than servicable, but the people who think Rees will take us to a National Championship game are seriously drinking the kool-aid.

I don't know why everybody gets all their panties in a bunch for saying what is painfully obvious to everybody who isnt drinking the kool-aid. Listen to Mayock closely, he says the same exact things just with more compassion (which he should since he is a commentator for ND!!) There is no need to sugar coat it, Rees is FAR AND AWAY the best QB on the roster and our best chance to win, but for people to say he was so great and blah blah blah, come on, call it what it was, a good game against a team that couldn't compete in the top 50 of college football. If you all are good with that, so be it.

Did you watch any football last season? Rees already DID lead us to a NCG. I'm ALL FOR being realistic about Tommy Rees' abilities, but I think there is far more Everett Golson kool-aid-drinking around here than anything related to Tommy Rees.

 

[ulukinatme]

Rees just set the passing record for ND's All Time performance in a season opener.

Rees is 4th in the Nation in QB Eff Rating.

Rees LEADs the Nation in Yds/Attempt with 15.


Yet fans are still grousing, "He missed a bunch of throw." "He can't throw over the middle." "He can't throw long." "He can't hit the fade." "He can't hit RB in the flat." "He can't hit any receiver in stride." "He locks on one receiver." "He can't ... " "He can't ..." "He can't ..."

And my favorite, "He's only a game manager."


Rees first two TD throws were as fine as any I've seen thrown by an ND QB.

He hit 7 receivers using all the field.

He read defenses and changed plays better than any QB in the Kelly Era.

Carlisle's 45 yd game opening rush. The 66 yd rumble by Niklas. The Game Manager (with caps) saw the field, called the right play and executed.

He lost a third TD (which would have had him leading the nation in QB Eff) due to the groin pull which prevented DaVaris from another TD. I saw another actual catch ruled out of bounds because the receiver made a great catch on a ball no defender could defend but he came down on the line with his outside foot. It was a good call by the ref. A more experienced receiver gets the other foot down for the score.

Although he was the season starter for only the first time in his career, the Game Manager took his record as a Starter to 17-4. That's over .800 Winning Percentage. About 70 points higher than ND's All-Time Winning Percentage and about 80 points better than Kelly's ND Winning Percentage. And that's only counting games he started, not those where he came off the bench to lead ND to victory.

Not too shabby for a 3 Star talentless guy with no arm and no wheels. If he continues to maximize his ability and nurture his teammates to do the same, it will be a great season and he will end up in the top 3 among ND QBs when he wasn't supposed to make #3 on the ND Depth Chart.

He won't get a Heisman nor an O'Brien nor play on Sundays but he's a winner.

Amen! Reesus performs miracles, and yet some still do not believe.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Did you watch any football last season? Rees already DID lead us to a NCG. I'm ALL FOR being realistic about Tommy Rees' abilities, but I think there is far more Everett Golson kool-aid-drinking around here than anything related to Tommy Rees.

LOL, and I'm the retard...

 

[PANDFAN]

So we CAN'T win a NC with Rees?!?!



Really? Near perfect?!?! The expectations by some are clearly low. If that was near perfect, then Tajh Boyd must have been the next coming of Christ

since we all have opinions and not every can agree, i present facts which don't lie...qbr
for point of reference:
the best all time rating was Andrew Luck w/ a 99.99 in a win over cal in 2010

1 C.J. Brown MD 98.1
2 Marcus Mariota ORE 97.7
3 Teddy Bridgewater LOU 97.2
4 Brett Hundley UCLA 96.9
5 Derek Thompson UNT 96.6
6 Jameis Winston FSU 96.3
7 Tommy Rees ND 94.9

 

[ryno 24]

I probably shouldnt say this (not because people will get upset but because it is not an option) but Golson could have played better. That sack was ugly. The guy who I watched the game with said, " I have MS and I could have moved faster." His incompletions particularly to TJ on the sideline was one that he should have and Golson could have made. Also, an incompletion was thrown either to Robinson or Niklas was so poorly thrown that neither I nor the announcer knew who he threw the ball to on the pass.

Rees looked good, but the numbers do not tell entire story especially on quick catch and run throws against Temple.

 

[woolybug25]

LOL, I need to chill? Torches and pitchforks a cometh

Quit making your responses so damn angry and spiteful. Then people wouldn't be giving you such a hard time. If you ask for the pitchforks, don't be suprised when you get them.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

I wouldn't say Rees was perfect, but he was about as good as just about any QB against Temple that you can expect. Think of our competition: MSU, USC, UM, Purdue, Pitt, Navy, Stanford, OU, ASU...is there a QB starting for those teams that would have performed better than Tommy if he was inserted into the lineup? Gardner maybe with his feet, but he threw 2 picks against Central Michigan. Hogan for Stanford would probably be the closest one, and he's still a Soph despite playing behind a fantastic OL. I'm betting he'll make some underclassman mistakes this year.

Outside of a guy like Boyd or maybe Bridgewater, I'm gonna bet that Tommy's play at QB this year will be as good or better than most of the QBs in college football this year.

I never once said he wasnt the best QB we had, in fact I actually said he was and is clearly the best opportunity we have to win. But I think its completly false to say this kid was the 6th best QB in the country after a game in which we saw nothing athletically different than any other year. He is still a liability that can make some great calls pre-snap and put us in positions to win against some decent competition. Against top 10 level talent he is in trouble.

 

[ryno 24]

Tommy is going to look great against subpar teams. He did that two years agao. I am wondering what he brings against athletic, fast defenses.

 

[Luckylucci]

Rees just set the passing record for ND's All Time performance in a season opener.

Rees is 4th in the Nation in QB Eff Rating.

Rees LEADs the Nation in Yds/Attempt with 15.


Yet fans are still grousing, "He missed a bunch of throw." "He can't throw over the middle." "He can't throw long." "He can't hit the fade." "He can't hit RB in the flat." "He can't hit any receiver in stride." "He locks on one receiver." "He can't ... " "He can't ..." "He can't ..."

And my favorite, "He's only a game manager."


Rees first two TD throws were as fine as any I've seen thrown by an ND QB.

He hit 7 receivers using all the field.

He read defenses and changed plays better than any QB in the Kelly Era.

Carlisle's 45 yd game opening rush. The 66 yd rumble by Niklas. The Game Manager (with caps) saw the field, called the right play and executed.

He lost a third TD (which would have had him leading the nation in QB Eff) due to the groin pull which prevented DaVaris from another TD. I saw another actual catch ruled out of bounds because the receiver made a great catch on a ball no defender could defend but he came down on the line with his outside foot. It was a good call by the ref. A more experienced receiver gets the other foot down for the score.

Although he was the season starter for only the first time in his career, the Game Manager took his record as a Starter to 17-4. That's over .800 Winning Percentage. About 70 points higher than ND's All-Time Winning Percentage and about 80 points better than Kelly's ND Winning Percentage. And that's only counting games he started, not those where he came off the bench to lead ND to victory.

Not too shabby for a 3 Star talentless guy with no arm and no wheels. If he continues to maximize his ability and nurture his teammates to do the same, it will be a great season and he will end up in the top 3 among ND QBs when he wasn't supposed to make #3 on the ND Depth Chart.

He won't get a Heisman nor an O'Brien nor play on Sundays but he's a winner.

While I agree with almost everything in this post the bold part is pretty huge deal. He did miss a few very easy throws that stalled drives. Against better competition that will come back and bite you. I was very encouraged by his performance and saturday will be a great measuring stick for the rest of the season but if we want to get to a BCS bowl that can't happen.

 

[ND_HAS_RISEN]

Quit making your responses so damn angry and spiteful. Then people wouldn't be giving you such a hard time. If you ask for the pitchforks, don't be suprised when you get them.

Bro, those are my comments to comments made at me. Don't throw stones if you cant take any back. I didnt take this thread sideways, KMOOSE and Whiskey did.

 

[Whiskeyjack]

since we all have opinions and not every can agree, i present facts which don't lie...qbr
for point of reference:
the best all time rating was Andrew Luck w/ a 99.99 in a win over cal in 2010

1 C.J. Brown MD 98.1
2 Marcus Mariota ORE 97.7
3 Teddy Bridgewater LOU 97.2
4 Brett Hundley UCLA 96.9
5 Derek Thompson UNT 96.6
6 Jameis Winston FSU 96.3
7 Tommy Rees ND 94.9

But that doesn't count, Panda, because (1) it was against Temple; and (2) no objective observer could possibly believe that throwing 16/23 for 350 yards and 3 TDs/ 0 INTs is a good performance. Nevermind that every single one of those QBs (except for Winston) played a team similar to, or significantly worse than, Temple. And Pitt's not exactly an impressive opponent.

 

[koonja]

Tommy played great and people are giving him credit for that, myself included. That doesn't mean everyone thinks he's a 'great' quarterback, but so far he looks really sharp from the only thing we can judge him on, Temple.

As for the sack. Well, all of the 'Rees looks faster' is probably bologna. Rees is going to take sacks that Golson wouldn't, it is what it is, you can't have it all. He's not a play maker, but he's good enough to win every game if he make the READS that he did against temple. He over threw a few passes, but he never made a bad read IMO (aka, every receiver he threw to was open, regardless of if it's caught or not. Let that sink in).

 

[ryno 24]

I also didnt take much from Mariota's numbers, or Bridgewater's (though some of his throws were just beautiful). I did not pay attention to the other qbs.

 

[woolybug25]

Bro, those are my comments to comments made at me. Don't throw stones if you cant take any back. I didnt take this thread sideways, KMOOSE and Whiskey did.

I disagree. You're confrontational tone took this sideways. You aren't the first person to talk badly about Rees and its not like everyone else gets crucified. Why would kmoose and Whiskey single you out in particular? You barely post here, so it's not like they have some vendetta going for you.

Furthermore, they have provided stats and reasoning behind their thoughts. You haven't provided anything but screaming WITH ALL CAPS about how you "have a right to your opinion". You don't even address the points they are making.

 

[kmoose]

I probably shouldnt say this (not because people will get upset but because it is not an option) but Golson could have played better.

He could also have played worse.

That sack was ugly. The guy who I watched the game with said, " I have MS and I could have moved faster."

He took one sack. It was ugly, but it's hardly worth even mentioning.

His incompletions particularly to TJ on the sideline was one that he should have and Golson could have made. Also, an incompletion was thrown either to Robinson or Niklas was so poorly thrown that neither I nor the announcer knew who he threw the ball to on the pass.

He completed 70% of his passes. Accuracy was not a problem. Even Montana, Brady, Manning, et. al have some passes on tape that they probably find very embarrassing.
The pass that you refer to was supposed to be a pass to Niklas, but the DB got a piece of Niklas as he was coming out of his break, which made the pass look incredibly bad. Go back and look at the replay and you will see what I am talking about. You can argue that Rees should have known that there would be contact there and that he should not have thrown to Niklas, but QBs take that chance all of the time. And you know that Kelly is probably coaching the QBs to be aggressive.

Rees looked good, but the numbers do not tell entire story especially on quick catch and run throws against Temple.

I think that is all that most people are saying, is that Rees looked good. No one (I think) is expecting him to be some kind of Heisman candidate, or one of the top QBs in the country. But tOSU won a National Championship with Craig Krenzel, and Rees is better than Krenzel was. So it's possible. Maybe not likely, but neither is it impossible.

 

[ryno 24]

I agree with Kuehnja he did not make a single bad decision, I think (that one pass between Robinson and Niklas I cannot tell if that was just a bad pass or also a bad decision) he just cannot make all the throws or move five feet.