Jadeveon Clowney and Jay-Z

[woolybug25]

I agree to a certain extent but a lot of the guys flocking towards Jay-Z are established stars who don't really need an agent to get the big money deal for them. Kevin Durant could represent himself and and get a deal worth over $100 million. We will see, obviously, but I think there are very good reasons for an athlete to go with Jay-Z.

And what isn't proven about Jay-Z and his ability to market? Everything he touches turns to gold. More importantly, his network is nearly infinite. Nobody is turning down a meeting with Jay-Z and Beyonce haha

I hear ya, and agree on that first contract. But wait until some of these guys have to negotiate a second contract after a "meh" start to their career. The mid level agents that work for RocNation don't have that type of skillset. If they had significant, high level contract negotion skills, they wouldn't be giving a big chunk of their % to JayZ.

Furthermore, look at how negotiations went with guys like ARod, Fielder,etc. Those deals took significant backroom negotiation and long relationship. There is a reason they still talk to Scott Boras after deals like ARod's backfire on their organizations.

 

[Rhode Irish]

I don't totally disagree, Wooly, but Arod actually sent Boras to the corner while he finished his deal with the Yankees himself because he thought Boras gave him bad advice to opt out of his original deal. Ironically, Boras's advice turned out to be terrific for Arod and the deal the Yanks did directly with Arod without his "shark" agent might be the worst deal in the history of sports.

 

[greyhammer90]

If there were an "I Hate the SEC" fan club, then I'd be president.

And I'd be the Owner/CEO who you have to answer to.

You watch yourself mister... proclaiming your the president of this-and-that....

 

[PANDFAN]

make ya say uh na na na na....

 

[Kanye West]

It's not illegal to talk to one as Pandfan noted. Jay-Z is one of the best entertainers in the world at making money. He knows what he is doing when it comes to that.

 

[irishog77]

And I'd be the Owner/CEO who you have to answer to.

You watch yourself mister... proclaiming your the president of this-and-that....

I'd coup your @ss 1st chance I get.

It'd be like modern day Egypt all up in der.

 

[PANDFAN]

It's not illegal to talk to one as Pandfan noted. Jay-Z is one of the best entertainers in the world at making money. He knows what he is doing when it comes to that.

Could make 40 off a brick but one rhyme could beat that
And if somebody woulda told 'em that Hov' would sell clothin
Heh, not in this lifetime, wasn't in my right mind
That's another difference that's between me and them
Heh, I'm smarten up, open the market up
One million, two million, three million, four
In eighteen months, eighty million more
Now add that number up with the one I said before
You are now lookin at one smart black boy
Momma ain't raised no fool
Put me anywhere on God's green earth, I'll triple my worth
Motherfr - I, will, not, lose

"You don't know.. what you're doing, doing, doing, doing.."
Put somethin on it

I sell ice in the winter, I sell fire in hell
I am a hustler baby, I'll sell water to a well
I was born to get cake, move on and switch states
Cop the Coupe with the roof gone and switch plates
Was born to dictate, never follow orders

 

[woolybug25]

I don't totally disagree, Wooly, but Arod actually sent Boras to the corner while he finished his deal with the Yankees himself because he thought Boras gave him bad advice to opt out of his original deal. Ironically, Boras's advice turned out to be terrific for Arod and the deal the Yanks did directly with Arod without his "shark" agent might be the worst deal in the history of sports.

It might be the worst in history, but it didn't stop them from working with Boras with the majority of their other player's contracts. Even Cano's original $57M contract that no other team was offering close to. Ironically, we'll see how Cano does with RocNation now. He mentioned that he went with RocNation because he wants to take a "more active role" in his negotiations.

What the old saying? Those that defend themselves in court have an idiot for an attorney?

With ARod specifically, the only thing that he didn't like was that Boras wanted him to opt out of his contract, which was the right move... if ARod wasn't such an idiot. He has no one to blame but himself for his off the field issues, PED use and injury woes. Boras made him millions more than he would have with anyone else.

The deals Boras put together for Prince Fielder ($214M) and the deal Lozano put together for Pujols ($275 for a 65 year old player) were like watching magicians perform. There isn't a single person in RocNation that could have pulled off either of those deals. Their niche will be superstars that feel like they don't need a real agent.

 

[NDdomer2]

well whoever Pedroia's agent is must be loving life:
Dustin Pedroia, Boston Red Sox agree to $100 million deal in principle -- Source - ESPN Boston

If Jigga doesn't get Cano a bigger deal his brand could take a hit.

 

[woolybug25]

well whoever Pedroia's agent is must be loving life:
Dustin Pedroia, Boston Red Sox agree to $100 million deal in principle -- Source - ESPN Boston

If Jigga doesn't get Cano a bigger deal his brand could take a hit.

Sam and Seth Levinson are Pedroia's agents. Smart move to renegotiate this too. His old contract expired when he turned 32.

If Cano wants to go with the Yankees, he picked a bad time to be asking for a huge contract.

 

[NDdomer2]

Y! SPORTS

Saying Roc-Nation didn't get Geno Smith the "quarterback premium"

 

[irishpat183]

It might be the worst in history, but it didn't stop them from working with Boras with the majority of their other player's contracts. Even Cano's original $57M contract that no other team was offering close to. Ironically, we'll see how Cano does with RocNation now. He mentioned that he went with RocNation because he wants to take a "more active role" in his negotiations.

What the old saying? Those that defend themselves in court have an idiot for an attorney?

With ARod specifically, the only thing that he didn't like was that Boras wanted him to opt out of his contract, which was the right move... if ARod wasn't such an idiot. He has no one to blame but himself for his off the field issues, PED use and injury woes. Boras made him millions more than he would have with anyone else.

The deals Boras put together for Prince Fielder ($214M) and the deal Lozano put together for Pujols ($275 for a 65 year old player) were like watching magicians perform. There isn't a single person in RocNation that could have pulled off either of those deals. Their niche will be superstars that feel like they don't need a real agent.

Exactly, wooly.


And do you think any NFL owners give a DAMN who Jay-Z or Roc Nation is when they're in contract talks?

Jay-Z, for all his flair and "marketing" (again, in MUSIC) doesn't have the experience or skills when working with teams. Boras, for all the crap he gets, knows what hes doing and does a great job getting HIS guy paid.

 

[irishpat183]

Y! SPORTS

Saying Roc-Nation didn't get Geno Smith the "quarterback premium"

LOL...guess "Hova" couldn't do any better than his first guy.

I think this speaks more to how Geno is viewed than Jay-Z.


But again, teams don't care about your rap skills when making deals

 

[NDdomer2]

LOL...guess "Hova" couldn't do any better than his first guy.

I think this speaks more to how Geno is viewed than Jay-Z.


But again, teams don't care about your rap skills when making deals

Kim Miale is actually his agent, but I agree that it has way more to do with Geno than anything about Kim, Jigga, or Roc-Nation.

As far as your last comment, Jay-Z isn't who he is today because of his rap skills. That was just one platform. There have been many many rappers come and go, most go broke faster than the average NFL player, but "Hova" has turned himself into a brand that goes far beyond his own music. That doesn't happen by accident it happens because he has a good sense of business. Just like Boras and the other great agents.

 

[NDWorld247]

I think even if Roc Nation isn't able to maximize player contracts the same way a Boras or other agents could right now, they will make up for it on the marketing end. Jay-Z, and his team, are marketing geniuses. Also, it's tough to place a value on the the allure of being associated with Jay-Z. That's going to speak to a lot of athletes and Roc Nation will quickly take off. When that happens, they will attract better quality contract agents. Rome wasn't built in a day and Roc Nation is already off to a fast start.

 

[Wild Bill]

Kim Miale is actually his agent, but I agree that it has way more to do with Geno than anything about Kim, Jigga, or Roc-Nation.

As far as your last comment, Jay-Z isn't who he is today because of his rap skills. That was just one platform. There have been many many rappers come and go, most go broke faster than the average NFL player, but "Hova" has turned himself into a brand that goes far beyond his own music. That doesn't happen by accident it happens because he has a good sense of business. Just like Boras and the other great agents.

Definitely a valid point. However, he wouldn't be the first successful businessman to try his hand in an unfamiliar business and totally flop. If you're a top tier athlete, like Clowney, why wouldn't you go with the proven commodity? What would he gain by hiring an upstart company?

It would be the equivalent of inheriting a pile of cash and investing with an upstart bank instead of Goldman Sachs. Will it make a difference? Maybe not, but why the hell would I take on the risk to find out?

 

[Kanye West]

LOL...guess "Hova" couldn't do any better than his first guy.

I think this speaks more to how Geno is viewed than Jay-Z.


But again, teams don't care about your rap skills when making deals

Jay-Z's worth 475 million has signed Kevin Durant and Robinson Cano. Rebranded the Brooklyn Nets and made the Nets an actual valid desination for NBA stars. He's not a businessman He's a business Man. He knows what he's doing.

 

[Kanye West]

Definitely a valid point. However, he wouldn't be the first successful businessman to try his hand in an unfamiliar business and totally flop. If you're a top tier athlete, like Clowney, why wouldn't you go with the proven commodity? What would he gain by hiring an upstart company?

It would be the equivalent of inheriting a pile of cash and investing with an upstart bank instead of Goldman Sachs. Will it make a difference? Maybe not, but why the hell would I take on the risk to find out?

Kevin Durant and Robinson Cano signed with Hova.

 

[irishog77]

Jay-Z's worth 475 million has signed Kevin Durant and Robinson Cano. Rebranded the Brooklyn Nets and made the Nets an actual valid desination for NBA stars. He's not a businessman He's a business Man. He knows what he's doing.

Bit of a stretch in this claim for him.

 

[Kanye West]

Bit of a stretch in this claim for him.

Rebranding the logo and creating a popular image did a lot for that team. IMO.

 

[ScooterIrish]

Rebranded the Brooklyn Nets and made the Nets an actual valid desination for NBA stars. He's not a businessman He's a business Man. He knows what he's doing.

So Jay Z gets all of the credit for the Nets and not the actual owner who was willing to spend a lot of money?

 

[PANDFAN]

Rebranding the logo and creating a popular image did a lot for that team. IMO.

your opinion is a lil clouded Kanye...i mean he is your best friend

 

[NDdomer2]

Definitely a valid point. However, he wouldn't be the first successful businessman to try his hand in an unfamiliar business and totally flop. If you're a top tier athlete, like Clowney, why wouldn't you go with the proven commodity? What would he gain by hiring an upstart company?

It would be the equivalent of inheriting a pile of cash and investing with an upstart bank instead of Goldman Sachs. Will it make a difference? Maybe not, but why the hell would I take on the risk to find out?

I totally agree with all of this. I am not saying everyone should sign with him or that those that have made a good decision.

But can someone tell me something (a business investment so we can stay on topic) he has failed at?

 

[NDdomer2]

So Jay Z gets all of the credit for the Nets and not the actual owner who was willing to spend a lot of money?

No he shouldn't get all the credit but how do you think Prok would have done alone?

There is no guarantee that the other owners would have even ok'd his purchase had he not included JayZ in his ownership.

 

[Wild Bill]

I totally agree with all of this. I am not saying everyone should sign with him or that those that have made a good decision.

But can someone tell me something he has failed at?

Marriage. He just doesn't know it yet.

 

[Kanye West]

So Jay Z gets all of the credit for the Nets and not the actual owner who was willing to spend a lot of money?

I didn't say all of the credit. He deserves some if not alot of it.

 

[NDdomer2]

Marriage. He just doesn't know it yet.

If Beyonce was going to be my lone failure in life, that's A OK.

 

[Kanye West]

If Beyonce was going to be my lone failure in life, that's A OK.

And Beyonce signed a pre-nup if they do get divorced. She herself is worth 400 million dollars.

 

[irishog77]

I totally agree with all of this. I am not saying everyone should sign with him or that those that have made a good decision.

But can someone tell me something he has failed at?

Sobriety, following the law, providing himself as a good role model for young black men, boycotting Florida.

But if the "goal" is just to make money, then, yes, he has done well for himself.

 

[NDdomer2]

Sobriety, following the law, providing himself as a good role model for young black men, boycotting Florida.

But if the "goal" is just to make money, then, yes, he has done well for himself.

topic was business investments but thanks for the moral compass