George Zimmerman Trial

[Golden_Domer]

Lupica: Let’s hope Zimmerman won’t get away with it - NY Daily News

OK which one of you IE posters is really Mike Lupica?

I'm looking your way, Bog.

 

[Irish Houstonian]

The Defense parades out evidence after evidence, presents a theory, and cast serious doubt on the case of the Prosecution, which is really a bunch of "what if's".

So what does the Prosecution say in rebuttal?

The human heart, it has a great many functions. It moves us, it motivates us, it inspires us, it leads us and it guides us – our hearts. If we really want to know what happened, should we not look into the heart of the grown man and the heart of that child? What will that tell us about what really happened out there?"

Wtf is happening?

 

[Rhode Irish]

There is some dangerously stupid commentary going on in this thread right now, and I'm going to leave this wing nut circle jerk alone. But I do hope you guys at least consider asking yourselves why you don't care that a kid who was just walking home minding his own business got killed, and why you're so invested in his killer not being punished. I don't care how you rationalize it out loud. I just want you to have some real, honest introspection and see what you come up with.

 

[magogian]

I really hope no one is doing the "common sense" drinking game. At this rate, you'd be dead from alcohol poisoning.

 

[drayer54]

Who do you think was on top?

 

[IrishSteelhead]

 

[Irish Houstonian]

Who do you think was on top?

^That's what she said.

 

[Golden_Domer]

There is some dangerously stupid commentary going on in this thread right now, and I'm going to leave this wing nut circle jerk alone. But I do hope you guys at least consider asking yourselves why you don't care that a kid who was just walking home minding his own business got killed, and why you're so invested in his killer not being punished. I don't care how you rationalize it out loud. I just want you to have some real, honest introspection and see what you come up with.

Thanks for your constructive, non-wing-nut, non-partisan input. Later bro, don't forget your broad paint brush.

 

[ACamp1900]

There are definitely people on this site that REALLY need to look at themselves and honestly asses some things... that much is true.

 

[magogian]

There is some dangerously stupid commentary going on in this thread right now, .

I'll just leave this right here.

George Zimmerman deserves to die..

 

[GDomer09]

There is some dangerously stupid commentary going on in this thread right now, and I'm going to leave this wing nut circle jerk alone. But I do hope you guys at least consider asking yourselves why you don't care that a kid who was just walking home minding his own business got killed, and why you're so invested in his killer not being punished. I don't care how you rationalize it out loud. I just want you to have some real, honest introspection and see what you come up with.

I haven't commented on the subject and have been observing from a far like yourself. I think I can answer this question for you. Let's say someday I become part of a neighborhood watch and find myself in a situation where someone is acting peculiar and wondering through people’s yards on my watch. Let's say I happen to stop the person to question them and they start beating me up to the point that I'm not sure they'll stop. I want to know that I have the right to protect myself the only way I can in that particular situation. If George hit him with a hammer, found near by, in the head to stop the beating and TM died would this be the same argument?

My problem is how much the race card is being used. Riots? Has it been cleared the reason was his skin color? Or was it just his thuggish get up? There's a lot of white no good punks where I'm from that dress and act foolish. I suspect they'd get the same treatment TM got.

 

[drayer54]

There is some dangerously stupid commentary going on in this thread right now,

I agree.

But I do hope you guys at least consider asking yourselves why you don't care that a kid who was just walking home minding his own business got killed, and why you're so invested in his killer not being punished.

If an innocent kid was killed on his way home, then this would be an open and shut case with support for his justice.

The problem is that it hasn't been proven or even closely proven that he was innocent.

The minding his own business is up for debate too.

I have nothing to gain or lose on the outcome of the trial. I just want justice like you.

 

[magogian]

My problem is how much the race card is being used..

Its so sad how the media feels to the need to emphasize that Zimmerman is a white Hispanic. Of course, if it was a "white" Hispanic on white crime, you would never hear the "white" Hispanic part.

But here, we have to somehow make it a white on black crime!

 

[magogian]

Anyone else listening to this prosecutor? He makes me want to throw up.

 

[GoIrish41]

Anyone else listening to this prosecutor? He makes me want to throw up.

Why?

 

[irishpat183]

The Defense parades out evidence after evidence, presents a theory, and cast serious doubt on the case of the Prosecution, which is really a bunch of "what if's".

So what does the Prosecution say in rebuttal?

The human heart, it has a great many functions. It moves us, it motivates us, it inspires us, it leads us and it guides us – our hearts. If we really want to know what happened, should we not look into the heart of the grown man and the heart of that child? What will that tell us about what really happened out there?"

Wtf is happening?

LOL.....What a dumbass rebuttal. Seriously?

 

[magogian]

Well, the prosecutor finally said the one thing I agree with.

He said the case isn't about race (or shouldn't be). The way you know is if their roles were reversed and you come to the same conclusion. I agree! (as far as that goes).

The way, however, that you know it is about race is that if Zimmerman is acquitted you may have riots. And, if their roles were reversed and Trayvon was found guilty, you would have riots.

 

[irishpat183]

I haven't commented on the subject and have been observing from a far like yourself. I think I can answer this question for you. Let's say someday I become part of a neighborhood watch and find myself in a situation where someone is acting peculiar and wondering through people’s yards on my watch. Let's say I happen to stop the person to question them and they start beating me up to the point that I'm not sure they'll stop. I want to know that I have the right to protect myself the only way I can in that particular situation. If George hit him with a hammer, found near by, in the head to stop the beating and TM died would this be the same argument?

My problem is how much the race card is being used. Riots? Has it been cleared the reason was his skin color? Or was it just his thuggish get up? There's a lot of white no good punks where I'm from that dress and act foolish. I suspect they'd get the same treatment TM got.

Nothing screams "justice for trayvon" or "looking into the heart of a child" like riots and attacking innocent people.

 

[GoIrish41]

Bingo you don't live here and I am saying, and I am sure jmurphy can atest, it's not just on FOX news. There was an article in local papers and have been mentions on local news and just the other day an article about Sanford PD and BSO working together to get prepared if there are riots. I pray there are no riots but God helps those who help themselves and why not be prepared for a REAL threat, instead of the worst happening and being caught with your pants down. The 44 days before the arrest mean jack **** compared to attention that the case has gotten and the clear lines that have been drawn.

Just yesterday I was picking my kids up from day care and I heard a young lady speaking with someone about the case and how that "lil boy was murdered by this white cat"...and when she saw me walk past, with a smile on my face, she quickly ended her conversation with, "I'll call you back when I get in the car".

Wow that is menacing ... I'll bet you were terrified. What does that have to do with the potential for riots? Maybe she just didn't want to offend someone with a different opinion. That does not mean she was planning the logistics of the eminent riot, does it? Of course there are two sides -- that is evident from reading through this thread. I'm not going to riot no matter what happens. Which side am I on. [/I]

As for the local angle, if police are preparing in the event their are riots, that is certainly something that merits reporting so I can understand why there are reports about it in your local news. TAuthoritiies would be irresponsible not to be prepared "if" something happens. Preparing for that potential is a lot different than saying things like "the mob" is going to riot, which is what has been suggested over and over again on this thread.

 

[magogian]

The Defense parades out evidence after evidence, presents a theory, and cast serious doubt on the case of the Prosecution, which is really a bunch of "what if's".

So what does the Prosecution say in rebuttal?

The human heart, it has a great many functions. It moves us, it motivates us, it inspires us, it leads us and it guides us – our hearts. If we really want to know what happened, should we not look into the heart of the grown man and the heart of that child? What will that tell us about what really happened out there?"


Wtf is happening?

Thanks for posting that. It is one of the things I was referring to.

 

[irishpat183]

Well, the prosecutor finally said the one thing I agree with.

He said the case isn't about race (or shouldn't be). The way you know is if their roles were reversed and you come to the same conclusion. I agree! (as far as that goes).

The way, however, that you know it is about race is that if Zimmerman is acquitted you may have riots. And, if their roles were reversed and Trayvon was found guilty, you would have riots.

Its about race. Always has been. It was marketed that way by the media.

We can dance around it all we want....The media wanted angry people yelling, and an arrest and conviction. All apart of the gun debate.

"God! If we could JUST find some case in which a white guy kills a black kid in the streets with a gun...."

It's liberal gold

 

[magogian]

Frankly, "white Hispanic" is a genius racial category for the race peddlers. Such a person can be characterized as white or a minority as the circumstances dictate.

 

[GDomer09]

There is some dangerously stupid commentary going on in this thread right now, and I'm going to leave this wing nut circle jerk alone. But I do hope you guys at least consider asking yourselves why you don't care that a kid who was just walking home minding his own business got killed, and why you're so invested in his killer not being punished. I don't care how you rationalize it out loud. I just want you to have some real, honest introspection and see what you come up with.

Sorry to comment on your greater than though post again, but just realized the above statement. I don't think they can subpoena you now, but if he's found guilty look out for a retrial. Can't wait to see one of our own on the stand seeing how glaring obvious it is that he's guilty.

By the way I'm still waiting on your opinion on my "honest introspection" on how some of us crazy people can think GZ killed in self defense.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Oh absolutely. A friend of mine likened this case to the Duke Lacrosse Trial, and that is just spot-on.

It's exactly the same.

It is not the same at all. The girl in the Duke lacrosse case was never raped. The prosecutor withheld exculpatory DNA evidence, among other misconduct, and was later disbarred. Whether or not you believe Zimmerman should be convicted there was certainly grounds to file charges and the prosecutor has a good faith basis for believing there is enough evidence to warrant a conviction. Trayvon Martin was definitely killed and the question is whether it was self defense. Much different from a case where no rape occurred and the prosecutor had no basis for bringing the charges.

 

[Golden_Domer]

It is not the same at all. The girl in the Duke lacrosse case was never raped. The prosecutor withheld exculpatory DNA evidence, among other misconduct, and was later disbarred. Whether or not you believe Zimmerman should be convicted there was certainly grounds to file charges and the prosecutor has a good faith basis for believing there is enough evidence to warrant a conviction. Trayvon Martin was definitely killed and the question is whether it was self defense. Much different from a case where no rape occurred and the prosecutor had no basis for bringing the charges.

That's absolutely not true.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

That's absolutely not true.

Strong argument supported by good facts

 

[Golden_Domer]

Strong argument supported by good facts

Scroll up to my previous post from CNN.

 

[ShawneeIrish]

Scroll up to my previous post from CNN.

I did not watch the video, but I did read your post. It mentions city commissioners not the prosecutor. More importantly, it is not the decision of the police whether or not there exists a basis for a prosecutor to file charges. Police gather evidence, investigate, make arrests...prosecutors decide whether to file charges and what charges should be filed.

There is no comparison to this case and Duke lacrosse case. Even if Zimmerman is not guilty there was still reasonable grounds for filing charges and there certainly has not been credible evidence that the prosecutor has withheld exculpatory evidence, or other such outrageous and unethical conduct that got Duke lacrosse prosecutor disbarred.

 

[Rhode Irish]

Not going to get into a back in forth with everyone that responded to my post (especially since some of the responses made no sense), but whether you buy Zimmerman's account or not there really isn't any debating that Martin was minding his own business before Zimmerman started following him around. That really isn't in dispute. And the fact that the kid is dead is tragic. Whether you think Zimmerman was ultimately justified in using deadly force does nothing to excuse the big picture point that this situation should never have happened and that our society at large is worse off because it did.

I don't think anyone hear is rooting for Zimmerman because they are glad he killed a kid and want him to "get away with it." I think people identify with or relate to him on some level (which I clearly don't, but it is a big world and it takes all kinds), and that is fine. But I feel like the open rooting for a guy that killed a kid and in some cases lionizing the guy is a little inappropriate. Even if you don't think he deserves to go to jail, he still killed a kid who set out to go get a snack, not rob a house or start a fight with the neighborhood watchman. Making it seem like the state did something wrong by trying this case, or vilifying people who have a hard time accepting that a kid can get killed and nobody has to answer for it doesn't come off real well.

All I'm saying is that you can have a different idea about how this case should turn out than I do, but the vitriol aimed at those you disagree with seems misplaced considering what the case is about.

Also, while I'm here, comparing this to the Duke lacrosse case is offensive. Yes, there was some public outrage in each case, but there the outrage turned out to be about something that didn't actually happen, whereas here a kid is actually dead and he was actually shot by the man on trial for killing him. Maybe the jury finds that he was justified in doing so, but if one person shoots another person the victim is entitled to a trying of the facts. To argue that there wasn't enough of a controversy here to warrant a trial is not being honest or realistic, as strongly as you may feel that he was justified.

 

[magogian]

All I'm saying is that you can have a different idea about how this case should turn out than I do, but the vitriol aimed at those you disagree with seems misplaced considering what the case is about.

Really? That's what you have been saying? Please forgive us if no one else believes you.